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Old June 13th, 2006, 02:58 AM   #81
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If I had a lot of money and I could choose any place to buy a house it would be the palm jumeirah for sure.
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Old June 13th, 2006, 11:30 AM   #82
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this is town and traffic planning from the 70`s.

Sorry to say, but dubai loves figurative, iconic designs, but the design qualtity of the final design is often behind current standarts.

I dont want to sound presumptious, but whats the quality behind that?
whats the quality behind a 10 lane road between symmetric hotel boxes?

Look at Luchao harbour city near shanghai, it has a much mor subtile way of dealing with these difficult town planning aspects as how to implement traffic capacity in a human road space, or how to prevent these huge flyovers and so on.

The place where this higway junction is, is in the end one of the most interesting places on the palm, but with these roads its completely destroyed.
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Old June 13th, 2006, 12:01 PM   #83
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Was thinking the exact same thing. The buildings just seem to be decorated commieblocks (although the ugliest ones on the left won't look like that). All the roads seem to be interchange type stuff so no slowing down of cars --> no chance for pedestrian activity.
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Old June 13th, 2006, 12:02 PM   #84
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the green lights for emerald palace remind me of poseidon... it is so alienating! bad taste for color choice of lights!

agree that the highways divide the whole development into non-human spaces... this design reminds me of american interchanges... it wasnt a very good idea but to think that dubai in this new age would emulate a formula that didnt prove to be very people-centric and is instead very much about the cars and vehicles...

think about dashing to the next hotel dodging the 10 lane road! :-O
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Old June 13th, 2006, 12:04 PM   #85
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@ pflo777. Personnally i dont think the left hand side of the picture is correct. I think the model is an old model .

The left hand side as far as i know is shopping and not hotels.
Also in some of the other pictures of the model the Trump Hotel is missing from the center of the trunk.

I hope this isnt the finished model of how it will be 'cos its not that inspiring!
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Old June 13th, 2006, 12:04 PM   #86
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the waterway in the middle looks more like a huge drain / canal to me... where does it lead to? it doesnt lead to anywhere... the water wont flow as fluidly as in a river... it will definitely see floating trash stagnate at this canal's end junction ...
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Old June 13th, 2006, 12:09 PM   #87
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In some other plans it connectes back to the sea.
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Old June 13th, 2006, 12:12 PM   #88
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if they would have putten the through traffic in a tunnel like enclosure and made the at grade roads therefore some 6 lanes smaller, you would have had a 6 lane road between the hotels-and this would be there only for local traffic, so it wouldnt be so highway like like now.

then move the hotels a bit more towards this road and you would have a beatyfull "champs-elysee" like boulevard.( or like "unter den linden" in berlin)
Replace the ridiuclous monorail with a tram that runs in the middle of the boulevard and viola--- you have a really nice arrangment.

Beach with beachfront-----Hotels and Shopping---Boulveard with cafes and tramway( tunnel for through traffic underenath----next Hotel row.....canel in the middel...and thten the whole thin mirrored
It would have been so easy.....

Edit: thats what i am talking about
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Old June 13th, 2006, 12:27 PM   #89
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First of all, the models of the hotels on the left side are for ilustration pourposes only. Those Hotels are not yet designed and is up to the developer for the exact design.

The central canal, regardless what the model shows, it will CONNECT to the see on the right side, where it already takes a bend.

What in the hell is your problem with the intersection on the entrance of the island, how in the hell will the residents and visitors alike, access their vilas/apartments/hotels?

That is the only road access to a 2 miles long & 2 miles wide archipelagus. My worry and the other Dubai residents, is that it will not be enough and they should have already planned BIGGER with 2 more lanes in each directions.
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Old June 13th, 2006, 12:54 PM   #90
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well, I dont want to put a bad mood in this thread.
Therfore its not about bashing that stuff, but about thinking how it would have been possbile to make it even better.

As i am from europe, we europeans tend to dislike these huge infrastructureal no-go-zones, and I am pretty sure, if a big european firm like mvrdv, gmp....had made the masterplan it would have looked different at that location
Btw, can somebody tell me which firm made the masterplan?
Its the same with Lake Shore Drive in Chicago.......Put a 10 lane road at the place, were the most beatyfull location in the whole city....
But as I said, its a cultural thing, I have no problem with it, if you like it.
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Old June 13th, 2006, 04:10 PM   #91
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You're right. I guess burying 8 lines under the ground and leaving 4 (2x2) outside, for local connections, featuring bridges or traffic lights, would have been great, far more human, and as efficient.
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Old June 13th, 2006, 04:33 PM   #92
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Looks like the Kurhouse near The Hague.
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Old June 13th, 2006, 05:13 PM   #93
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You're right. I guess burying 8 lines under the ground and leaving 4 (2x2) outside, for local connections, featuring bridges or traffic lights, would have been great, far more human, and as efficient.
Great idea but the cost would have been astronomical.
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Old June 13th, 2006, 05:34 PM   #94
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have a look at this:

http://rapidshare.de/files/22947195/...y2006.avi.html

new nakheel video (may 2006) by alt tab.

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The shoreline buildings have a traditional Arabian design, they will look better up close...






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Got the Nakheel package from DHL. It was a 3 min Nakheel corporate video with some footage of the Palm from this May.



















I will post the video on rapidshare later..

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Old June 13th, 2006, 08:28 PM   #95
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well, I dont want to put a bad mood in this thread.
Therfore its not about bashing that stuff, but about thinking how it would have been possbile to make it even better.

As i am from europe, we europeans tend to dislike these huge infrastructureal no-go-zones, and I am pretty sure, if a big european firm like mvrdv, gmp....had made the masterplan it would have looked different at that location
Btw, can somebody tell me which firm made the masterplan?
Its the same with Lake Shore Drive in Chicago.......Put a 10 lane road at the place, were the most beatyfull location in the whole city....
But as I said, its a cultural thing, I have no problem with it, if you like it.
I'm European myself, but what you and the other don't get (due to lack of knowledge on the project) is that the intersection is the ONLY access point to the island. It has nothing to do with "culture" and a European firm would have done just the same.

Don't bring any Champs Elysee into discussion. You can access that boulevard from dosens of roads in all the directions, while this is IT, there is no other.

Access to European cities from Highways is done with huge intersections too.
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Old June 13th, 2006, 09:39 PM   #96
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Wow - really impressive!
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Old June 13th, 2006, 09:51 PM   #97
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It's quiteimpressing, although it's very crazy It's not aesthetical seen from the space, it looks like a palm made by some 5 year old child.
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Old June 13th, 2006, 11:47 PM   #98
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That Emerald Palace model looks so real, I though they were real buildings and not models. They even put headlights and taillights on the miniature cars, I am very impressed! I love staring at models, and this is one of the most impressive !

They have added so many buildings at the trunk, now it looks like a city within a city !
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Old June 14th, 2006, 12:18 AM   #99
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This has got to be the best render of how the island will look. Its got the Trump Hotel in the middle so this must be quite recent.

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Old June 14th, 2006, 12:51 AM   #100
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The emerald palace hotel looks great, hope they don't go with that green lighting though, it needs something natural looking light for nighttime.
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