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Old May 21st, 2006, 02:42 PM   #1
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European Metro Systems - Ranked by Annual Ridership

As the original thread (initiated by SideTrack) has been destroyed by a dick-contest, I decided to open up a new one.

I made this list two years ago I think because there was no page on the net that featured any kind of listing or ranking. The only way to collect credible numbers was to search the official pages for annual reports etc.
Back then most reports were in their native languages - today it has changed significantly and you can find most information in English too. So I updated most of the number easily.
Nevertheless there are still some question marks as you can see below - either because I can´t find the number because of the language, or because there are two different metro operators in the city.

Please share if you know newer numbers or are able to find them (i.e. you speak the language the official site is in).





A ? means I am not sure the number is correct OR I dont know which year it is from OR I have no idea where I found it.


Moskva 2603,2 (2005)
Paris 1335,7 (2004)
London 976 (2004/05)
Sankt Petersburg 821 (2004)
Madrid 618 (2004)
Milano 597,5 (2005)
Praha 496 (2004)
Berlin 463,7 (2005)
Wien 427,4 (2005)
Barcelona 388 (2005)
?Kyiv 328,6 (2001)
?Athina 322 (?)
München 307,2 (2005)
Budapest 298 (2004)
Stockholm 278 (2004)
Roma 271,9 (2002)
?Minsk 252,2 (2001)
?Bucuresti 250 (?)
?Kharkiv 233,1 (2001)
?Lyon 227,8 (?)
Hamburg 181,1 (2004)
Lisboa 179,7 (2004)
?Napoli 172 (?)
Bruxelles 105,5 (2004)
Frankfurt 95,4 (2004)
?Nürnberg 91,5 (1997!!!)
?Amsterdam 91 (?)
?Istanbul 87,5 (2002)
Rotterdam 84 (2004)
Warszawa 80,9 (2004)
Bilbao 77,8 (2005)
Lille 74,3 (2004)
Valencia 61,5 (2005)
Novosibirsk 61 (2005)
Oslo 59,4 (2004)
Marseille 58 (2003)
Helsinki 55,4 (2004)
?Nizhni Novgorod 52,4 (2001)
?Toulouse 46 (1998!!)
Copenhagen 44 (2004)
Newcastle 36,8 (2004/05)
?Samara 27,3 (2001)
Rennes 22,9 (2003)
?Dniepropetrovsk 14,9 (2001)
Glasgow 13,3 (2004/05)
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Old May 21st, 2006, 03:04 PM   #2
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In 2004 Sankt-Peterburg metro carried 821 million people
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Old May 21st, 2006, 03:27 PM   #3
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Konoval
In 2004 Sankt-Peterburg metro carried 821 million people
Thanks, I have updated it but i left the question mark there because I could not find a official statement on the net. Wikipedia quotes the MTA NYC Transit page (http://www.mta.nyc.ny.us/nyct/facts/ffsubway.htm) but it is not clear where they have the number from.


Maybe there is any hint or official document on those sites:
http://metro-spb.nwd.ru/
http://www.metro.spb.ru/23.html


Can you help with the other Russian cities as I cannot read Кириллица nor understand Русский.
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Old May 21st, 2006, 03:49 PM   #4
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I couldn't find any info on Peterburg exept Wikipedia, but on the link given by you there is data by 1.04.2006 - they carried 198 mln people. So we may wait for smth about 800 mln in whole 2006


Novosibirsk (2005) - 61 million
http://metro-nsk.ru/
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Old May 22nd, 2006, 01:43 AM   #5
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I guess the NYC MTA number for Sankt-Peterburg cant be that off. I´ll kill the question mark. I also found Newcastle btw.

I tried Istanbul - and man this is difficult. I expected this.
http://www.istanbul-ulasim.com.tr/de...d=3&sayfa_id=1
Here it says "Yolcu Sayısı:128 bin yolcu / gün" which means 128 thousand passengers per day. As turkish is an agglutinative language I have no clue if what I type into google (to find the annual number) is correct. Help lütfen!

On the Amsterdam and Nürnberg pages they just keep giving their number for the whole system incl. bus and tram.

Toulouse and Napoli? I searched through their whole sites hoping to find some sort of report or PDF that could be helpful....
Same on the Bucuresti site - it keeps saying "pagina in constructie" where one could suspect a report.
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Old May 22nd, 2006, 02:10 AM   #6
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Now where is this? And what type of wagon is that? Ohh.. yes, its T2000

What defines Metro or Subway really? In some cities Metro is subway, and in other cities subway is subway and tram is tram etc...

It seems for me that Metro lines are crossovers. They both use third-rail and overhead power etc. While Subway only uses third-rail, got long platforms etc?

Would you define this as a Metro or Subway line?




At Holmenkollen station. Known for the winter olympics in Oslo etc.

Those T2000 wagons runs on the same tracks as these more subway alike wagons.. Whats the difference here?



Would someone here please tell me the difference between Metro and Subway or even light-rail?
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Old May 22nd, 2006, 02:13 AM   #7
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In Spain all subways are powered by overhead power.

In the New York metropolitann area, a good chunk of commuter rail is power by 3rd rail.

It is difficult to tell, but it needs to be a question of rolling stock, infrastructure, and frequency IMO.

Light rail tends to have low platforms, fewer cars, high frequency but lower capacity.

Subway tends to have high platforms, greater cars, high frequency, high capacity.

Suburban rail tends to have high platforms, greater cars, high capactiy, but on the outer bits a low frequency.
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Here is some of the parts where both the Metro alike thing runs tougether with the others..:




Majorstuen. One of the most busiest stations in Oslo. Here all the lines from west meets etc.


Jernbanetorget station etc.
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That seems more like RER or S-Bahn type service IMO, subway like in the city center, commuter rail like on the outer bits. IMO not a subway.
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Old May 22nd, 2006, 02:22 AM   #10
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1.4 billion rode the NYC subway in 2005.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/loca...p-353156c.html
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Old May 22nd, 2006, 02:23 AM   #11
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Hehe let me confuse you even more


Forskningsparken station


Kringsjå station


Sognsvann station.. Closer to nature you dont get Even with the subway wagons,...


Hovseter on Line 2


Ekraveien


Voksenkollen on Line 1, about 600m above sealevel


T2000 up to Frognerseteren


At the top ..
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Old May 22nd, 2006, 03:32 PM   #12
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@Norbb
if you want to use russian name of moscow use v please - moskva. commonly в transliterating as v.
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Old May 22nd, 2006, 04:34 PM   #13
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Seems to me that in order to a suburban/urban train be considered a subway/metro... some sort of access barrier to the platform must be installed, that is, some access barrier that needs a ticket to be inserted in order to allow entrance to the platform.

And that Oslo train seems to lack that kind of barrier.. so it is NOT a metro/subway

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Old May 22nd, 2006, 05:12 PM   #14
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how do you know that it isnt down the stairs?
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Old May 22nd, 2006, 05:16 PM   #15
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'cause the ticket machine is just on the platform, that's why I attached the image in my previous post
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Old May 22nd, 2006, 05:25 PM   #16
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@garpie

I have to disagree. True, maybe more metro systems use barriers but there are also many open systems - so this is no condition for defining a metro system.

According to a news report the number of fare dodgers in Vienna (4-6%) is not significantly higher than in Paris - a closed system.
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Old May 22nd, 2006, 05:29 PM   #17
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Oh, for the sake of it, not this whole 'what's-in-a-name' discussion again, which leads from Nothing to Nowhere...
Listen, a 'metro' was easy to be defined only at the beginning of the last century, when there were but a few systems - London, Paris, Budapest, Glasgow...and even then, London was already more of a hybrid, the Met line sharing it's tracks with overground services.
Today, there are that many hybrid systems in the world that the question whether we're talking about subways, metro's, light-rail or tram is a moot one. Every new system helps to re-define the terminology. It's not a pre-given, it's a post-constructed.
So if you want to call the T-bana a metro, go ahead.
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Ok

But I was talking from my limited metro experience. So far, all the metros I've travelled in are closed systems: Madrid, BCN, Bilbao, Paris, London, Moscow, St. Petersburg, NYC. Or at least in the very urban core of their networks. I don't know whether in more suburban parts of their networks stations are more commuter-like (or heavy-rail-like).

I'll stop here before I become even more off-topic

BTW, I applaud the civic behaviour of austrian citizens for such a little fare-dodging
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Old May 23rd, 2006, 03:23 AM   #19
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World Metro Systems - Ranked by Annual Ridership

This is a very interesting discussion for me since I update the MTA NYCT web site with the annual ridership numbers for Metro's around the world. I have been getting my information as you guys have by checking web sites and also magazine articles as well as e-mailing Metro's directly. I have updated my list based on this discussion and offer the following ridership numbers for Metro's around the world. Any updates would be appreciated.

I am surprised at the decline in Moscow's 2005 ridership which seems to have fallen by 600 million riders from 2004's annual ridership of 3,200.6 million. Moscow has been in 1st place for many years.

Tokyo and Seoul's numbers are the two companies combined.

TOKYO, JAPAN (2003\2004) 2,818,936,000
MOSCOW, RUSSIA (2005) 2,603,000,000
SEOUL, SOUTH KOREA (2003) 2,340,000,000
NEW YORK CITY, USA (NYCTA) (2005) 1,449,000,000
MEXICO CITY, MEXICO (2004) 1,442,000,000
PARIS, FRANCE (2004) 1,336,000,000
LONDON, UK (2004) 976,000,000
OSAKA, JAPAN (2000) 912,000,000
HONG KONG, CHINA (2005) 858,000,000
ST PETERSBURG, RUSSIA (2004) 821,000,000
CAIRO, EGYPT (2001) 750,000,000
MADRID, SPAIN (2004) 616,000,000
SHANGHAI, CHINA (2004) 532,000,000
SAO PAULO, BRAZIL (2004) 503,000,000
PRAGUE, CZECH REPUBLIC (2004) 496,000,000
SINGAPORE (2004) 466,000,000
BERLIN, GERMANY (2005) 464,000,000
BEIJING, CHINA (???) 463,000,000
VIENNA, AUSTRIA (2005) 427,000,000
NAGOYA, JAPAN (2001) 405,000,000
TAIPEI, TAIWAN (2005) 361,000,000
BARCELONA, SPAIN (2004) 343,000,000
KIEV, UKRAINE (2001) 329,000,000
MUNICH, GERMANY (2005) 307,000,000
BUDAPEST, HUNGARY (2004) 299,000,000
STOCKHOLM, SWEDEN (2004) 278,000,000
CARACAS, VENEZUELA (2002) 276,000,000
MILAN, ITALY (2004) 273,000,000 - Metro only
ROME, ITALY (2002) 272,000,000
BUSAN, SOUTH KOREA (2002) 264,000,000
DELHI, INDIA (2005) 256,000,000
TORONTO, CANADA (2003) 253,000,000
MINSK, BELORUS (2001) 252,000,000
SAPPORO, JAPAN (1999) 252,000,000
KHARKOV, UKRAINE (2002) 247,000,000
BUENOS AIRES, ARGENTINA (2003) 226,000,000
MONTREAL, CANADA (2004) 217,000,000
TEHRAN, IRAN (2004) 210,000,000
SANTIAGO, CHILE (2002) 208,000,000
ATHENS, GREECE (2000) 195,000,000
WASHINGTON D.C., USA (2005) 195,000,000
CHICAGO, USA (2005) 187,000,000
LYON, FRANCE (2004) 182,000,000
HAMBURG, GERMANY (2004) 181,000,000
LISBON, PORTUGAL (2004) 180,000,000
YOKOHAMA, JAPAN (2000) 150,000,000
BANGKOK, THAILAND (2004) 146,000,000
GUANGZHOU, CHINA (2001) 134,000,000
BOSTON, USA (2004) 124,000,000
TASHKENT, UZBEKISTAN (2000) 120,000,000
INCHON, SOUTH KOREA (2004) 119,000,000
RIO DE JANEIRO, BRAZIL (2001) 113,000,000
BUCHAREST, ROMANIA (???) 111,000,000
KYOTO, JAPAN (2000) 111,000,000
ANKARA, TURKEY (1999) 108,000,000
BRUSSELS, BELGIUM (2004) 106,000,000
FUKUOKA, JAPAN (2002) 106,000,000
CALCUTTA, INDIA (2000) 100,000,000
SAN FRANCISCO, USA (2001) 97,000,000
KOBE, JAPAN (2000) 92,000,000
NUREMBURG, GERMANY (???) 92,000,000
AMSTERDAM, NETHERLANDS (2002) 91,000,000
TBILISI, GEORGIA (2000) 90,000,000
BAKU, AZERBAIJAN (2000) 89,000,000
KUALA LUMPUR, MALAYSIA (2000) 84,000,000
ROTTERDAM, NETHERLANDS (2004) 84,000,000
MEDELLIN, COLOMBIA (2001) 82,000,000
WARSAW, POLAND (2004) 81,000,000
BILBOA, SPAIN (2005) 78,000,000
LILLE, FRANCE (2004) 74,000,000
VANCOUVER, CANADA (2004) 65,000,000
NEW YORK CITY, USA (PATH) (2005) 61,000,000
NOVOSIBIRSK, RUSSIA (2005) 61,000,000
OSLO, NORWAY (2004) 59,000,000
MARSEILLE, FRANCE (2003) 58,000,000
SENDAI, JAPAN (1999) 57,000,000
HELSINKI, FINLAND (2004) 55,000,000
NIZHNI NOVGOROD, RUSSIA 92001) 52,000,000
DAEGU, SOUTH KOREA (2004) 51,000,000
PHILADELPHIA, USA (SEPTA) (2000) 47,000,000
TOULOUSE, FRANCE (2004) 42,000,000
ISTANBUL, TURKEY (2003) 39,000,000 - Metro only
NEWCASTLE, UK (2004) 37,000,000
PYONGYANG, NORTH KOREA (???) 35,000,000
COPENHAGEN, DENMARK (2004) 34,000,000
LOS ANGELES, USA (2001) 34,000,000
ATLANTA, USA (2004) 31,000,000
IZMIR, TURKEY (2000) 29,000,000
SOFIA, BULGARIA (2004) 29,000,000
SAMARA, RUSSIA (2001) 27,000,000
YEKATERINBURG, RUSSIA (2000) 27,000,000
NAPLES, ITALY (2003) 25,000,000
HIROSHIMA, JAPAN (1999) 18,000,000
MIAMI, USA (2005) 17,000,000
YEREVAN, ARMENIA (2000) 17,000,000
BRASILIA, BRAZIL (2002) 16,000,000
DNIPROPETROVSK, UKRAINE (2001) 15,000,000
TIANJIN, CHINA (???) 15,000,000
BALTIMORE, USA (???) 13,000,000
GLASGOW, UK (2004) 13,000,000
PHILADELPHIA, USA (PATCO) (???) 11,000,000
CLEVELAND, USA (2000) 5,000,000
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@JFK
3,2bln figure was estimate, while 2,6bln is exact number of passengers.
before 2005 pensioners from all russia was able to use public transport for free. so they just passed turnstile by showing paper. free usage was cancelled from 1st jan 2005.
before it happened moscow quickly made all pensioners smart cards, so moscow authorities now pay out for exact number of pensioners. moscow province did not managed to do it before 1st jan. so pensioners of moscow province was not able to use metro for free winthin few months.
so
1. there was real decline in first few months
2. numbers before was estimates
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