The Archaeology Thread

[SoroushPersepolisi]

u guys misread the info, firstly they cant restore or renovate such an area, there is nothing left to restore, its a dig, but the dig covers a large area, which is shrinking due to factory lands and highways, ancient cities werent 20 metres in perimeter, all the artifacts that are undug will now be crushed forever under farm land and roads

secondly, the article from the site itself describes that its being destroyed,

renovate? by building a highway through it

[SoroushPersepolisi]

tappe ashraf, the site that made esfahan 7000 years old
تپه اشرف

تپه ای که اصفهان را ۷۰۰۰ ساله کرد
تپه اشرف به سایت موزه شهر اصفهان تبدیل می*شود
تمام شواهد حاکی از آن بود که اصفهان قدمتی به اندازه تاریخ دارد
اما هیچ اثری نبود که اثبات کند
تا اینکه در حدود ۱۰ سال پیش در کنار پل شهرستان اثری کشف شد که تا حدودی تاریخ کهن اصفهان را مشخص کرد
اصفهان از معدود شهر های ایران است که در افسانه های کهن ایران نظیر شاهنامه فردوسی اسمش آمده است
سرزمین پیامبران الهی نظیر یوشع نبی
تپه اشرف را ساختش را به قبل از طوفان نوح نسبت داده اند
تپه اشرف به سایت موزه شهر اصفهان تبدیل می*شود
خبرگزاری فارس: شهردار منطقه ۴ شهر اصفهان گفت: با همکاری سازمان میراث فرهنگی، ساماندهی اطراف تپه اشرف انجام شده که تپه اشرف به زودی به سایت موزه شهر اصفهان تبدیل می*شود.

سارویه یا کهن دژ یا تپه اشرف
نام بنایی بسیار کهن در اصفهان است که در کنار پل شهرستان و در کناره شمالی زاینده رود قرار دارد. این بنا کتابخانه بزرگی بوده*است که در آن کتاب*های فراوانی نگهداری می*شده*است. سارویه در حمله اعراب به ایران ویران گردید و اکنون تنها بقایای آن به صورت تپه*ای باقی مانده*است که بنام "تپه اشرف" معروف است ابن رسته در قرن سوم هجری در مورد سارویه چنین می*نویسد:
در شهر جی بنای کهنه*ای به شکل قلعه وجود داشته*است موسوم به ساروق یا سارویه. چون این بنا بسیار کهنه*است نمی*توان بانی آن را معلوم کرد و گویند قبل از طوفان نوح ساخت شده*است.


برخی از تاریخنگاران بنای سارویه را به تهمورس سومین شاه از سلسلهٔ پیشدادیان نسبت داده*اندنویسنده کتاب نسب*نامه که در آغاز حکومت سلجوقیان می*زیسته در رساله*ای بنام انساب ملوک پارس نوشته*:
برخی دیگر از تاریخنگاران نیز ساخت آن را به گشتاسپ یکی از شاهان پارس نسبت می*دهند. بر پایه این نوشته*ها، گشتاسپ به وزیر خود جاماسپ که فرد فرزانه و دانشمندی بوده*است دستور می*دهد که برای نگهداری کتاب*های موجود کتابخانه*ای بنا کند که بسیار استوار باشد. ابن ندیم، نویسنده کتاب الفهرست، اطلاعاتی ارزشمند درباره کهن دژ را عینا از کتاب اختلاف الزیجات نوشته ابومشعر بلخی آورده*است:
ایرانی*ها پس از این که بهترین وسیله را برای ثبت و ضبط و نوشتن و نگهداری دانش بدست آوردند برای یافتن بهترین جا و مکان جهت بنیاد کتابخانه و گنجینه کتاب به جست*وجو پرداختند، جایی که از زمینلرزه بر کنار و گل آن چسبندگی داشته باشد تا برای ساختمان*های محکم و پابرجا پسندیده باشد. پس از کنجکاوی بسیار سرانجام شهرستانی که همه این محسنات را داشت یافتند و آن شهر اصفهان بود. در آن جا هم پس از کاوش نقاط گوناگون شهر، روستای جی را بهترین جا و مکان یافتند. در جی، «کهن دژ» را برگزیدند و در آن جا عمارتی رفیع بنیاد نهادند و آن را «سارویه» نامیدند. مردم از پی بنا به سازنده و پایه*گذار آن پی بردند زیرا در سالهای گذشته گوشه*ای از ساختمان سارویه ویران گردید و در آن سُغی دالانی نمایان شد که با گِل سفت ساروج ساخته شده بود و در آن کتابهای فراوانی از نوشته پیشینیان نهاده بودند که بر پوستِ درخت خدنگ نوشته بودند در دانش*های گوناگون. شماری از این کتاب*ها به دست کسی رسید که در خواندن آنها دانا و توانا بود. در آنها نوشته*ای از برخی شاهان ایران یافتند که چنین بود: «به تهمورس شاه که دوستدار دانش و دانش*پژوهان بود خبر دادند که در اثر یک پیشامد آسمانی که در باختر به پیدایش خواهد پیوست، به چرایی ریزش بارانهای پی در پی، جهانی را آب فرا خواهد گرفت. زمان وقوع آن با گذشتن ۲۳۱ سال و ۳۰۰ روز از آغاز پادشاهی سلسله وی خواهد بود». منجمان تهمورس شاه را بر آن داشتند که برای پرهیز از زیان و خسارات برآمده از آن توفان چاره*ای اندیشد و گفتند زیان و خسران آن باران و توفان تا انتهای خاور کشیده خواهد شد. تهمورس شاه، مهندسان را فرمان داد در سراسر ایرانشهر کاوش کنند و جویا شوند جائی را که از هر نظر برتری داشته باشد، برای ساختمان بنایی برای نگهداری آثارِ دانشِ برگزیدگان، برگزینند. وی کتاب*ها را در سارویه اصفهان قرار داد.
پس از انجام کاوش در این مکان هفت هزار ساله، هم اکنون بر روی آن پیست موتورسواری بنا شده است









note the apartments in the back, they are nice

http://chehrehtalkh.blogfa.com/post-117.aspx

[SoroushPersepolisi]

"zan dar gozare zaman" , an exhibition in the national museum about women in iran's history












http://www.shahr.ir/ViewPic.aspx?IDG=994

[SoroushPersepolisi]

http://www.jahannews.com/vglj8aevauq...bftus.w.html#8

[SoroushPersepolisi]

http://amordad6485.blogfa.com/post-4801.aspx

[SoroushPersepolisi]

america has proposed a law regarding the ownership of old persian tablets from persepolis , 2500 years old
they are owned by umiversities and museums , of the law gets passed it allows them to be auctioned off for private buyers, they can even go in ebay!!
2500 year old documents ,priceless , thrown away

i dont know what to say

this is considered as a sanction on heritage pieces,
a perfect example how the american government doesnt really give a crap about iranian people, and the sanctions just hurt the nation not the government
remember that when iran becomes free

[Aerithia]

America is evil, and i hope Iran never becomes "free" cause it will just favor American and Israeli interests.

Iran should demand them handed back as it is in principle a property of Iran, like how does such a ancient item from Persia end up in the U.S?

[Ze Carlos_Ze]

I like always said, US is the main enemy of everything Iranian since 100 years!

[SoroushPersepolisi]

dont blaim america only
if it wasnt for these stupid mullahs that wouldnt of happened
the thing is the mullahs like iran to loose it history aswell

if a damish newspaper makes fun of prophet mohammad, all over iran's news u see them criticizing the danish media, yet not a single word has been said regarding the tablets

[ardamir]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Univers...quities_crisis

[Ze Carlos_Ze]

USA is a BIG SHAME! But I do not blame them, I mean you have to steal culture from others if you do not have any yourself.

Iranians condemn US selling Persian cultural artifacts

video:

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/225657.html


US threatens to auction Iran’s cultural artifacts.
These are invaluable Persian antiquities kept at the University of Chicago. The United States federal courts have ordered the seizure of them along with numerous other Persian antiquities kept in the Field Museum in Chicago.

SB (Mr. Qanami pt.1)

The Achaemenid or Persepolis clay tablets were loaned to the University of Chicago in 1937.They were discovered by archaeologists in 1933 and are legally the property of the National Museum of Iran and the Iran's Cultural Heritage Organization. The artifacts came with the understanding that they would be returned to Iran.The tablets, from Persepolis, the capital of the Persian Empire, date to about 500 B.C. The tablets give a view of then daily life.

SB (Mr. Qanami pt.1)

This issue is an important implication by the United States. It has been seen by Iranians as a perceived example for the hostility of United States federal court system toward Iranian people and Persian heritage.
Vox Pop…

Iran has strongly condemned a U.S. court ruling authorizing the seizure of ancient clay tablets. Other officials expressed outrage, too, saying they will appeal to the International Court of Justice, United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural (UNESCO), and other international bodies as well.

PTC (Although UNESCO is against the sale and seizure of an country’s personal and cultural artifacts, the US is raising concerns for the people of Iran by threatening to auction the cultural tablets of Persepolis to a private auction)

[SoroushPersepolisi]

dont nag at america
if iran was smart enough they would of kept it themselves,

this is very sad but dont blaim other nations for our own misery , they are doing bad, but understand where all these problems came from
blaiming others is what has driven the middle east to its current day form

[PersianTakavar]

Originally Posted by SoroushPersepolisi

dont nag at america
if iran was smart enough they would of kept it themselves,

this is very sad but dont blaim other nations for our own misery , they are doing bad, but understand where all these problems came from
blaiming others is what has driven the middle east to its current day form

The tablets were sent to america before revolution to be translated in chicago university

[SoroushPersepolisi]

doesnt matter about the revolution or not, irania orze dashtan khodeshun zabane bastaniro tarjome mikardan

and now the regime hasnt taken any action on this matter either (they dont care), at least 40 years ago our government cared and sent it to be studied in not sold

[Ze Carlos_Ze]

maybe this is not bad. will only increase hate against both khamenei and co and Yankee-regime.

[Ze Carlos_Ze]

Top lawmaker censures US grab of Iran’s artifacts

A senior member of Iran's Majlis has condemned the US for its “rash” confiscation of some Iranian cultural artifacts and its bid to auction the relics.


The US officials are making efforts to counter the Iranian nation, that has risen to achieve independence, by putting its antiques and cultural heritage up for grabs, said Chairman of the Majlis Cultural Commission Gholam Ali Haddad-Adel on Thursday.

He added that such bids indicate American officials’ irrationality and uncivilized manners.

Haddad-Adel emphasized that the Islamic Republic will shore up efforts to counter such a move which stands against cultural principles.

The senior legislator further stated that Iran would not retreat from its path despite the sanctions by the United States and the West, emphasizing that such restrictions would only reinforce the resolve of the Iranian nation and officials.

The US has threatened to auction Iran’s cultural artifacts which include invaluable Persian antiquities kept at the University of Chicago.

The US federal courts ordered the seizure of the items along with many other Persian antiquities kept in Chicago’s Field Museum.

SF/GHN/MA

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/225787.html

[Aerithia]

So they do actually care a bit? Well atleast that's good..

[ardamir]

First, let me say I am strongly against the seizure and selling of these artifacts. I believe them to be the property of Iran. Hopefully, Iran will be gracious enough to come to some sort of agreement with the museums so that everyone can appreciate their historical significance.

From what I have gathered this is the background behind the law:
A group of American citizens were victims of a suicide attack claimed by Hamas. Citing Iran as the material and financial backers of Hamas, they filed and won a lawsuit in federal court against Iran. The judge awarded them $71 million. Iran ignored the judgement resulting in the judge issuing a default judgement of +$400 million. The plantiffs tried going after assets owned by the former Shah's family in the US but were unsuccessful.

Next up were Persian artifacts held by American museums and universities, notably the University of Chicago and Chicago's Field Museum (which had been returning artifacts to Iran previously). This is where it gets tricky. In order for Iran to claim sovereign immunity of the artifacts, they must claim them in court. However, the plantiff's are claiming that some artifacts (tablets) were purchased and are private property, thus allowing the plantiff to claim them as part of the court's ruling. In 2006 Iran sent a representative to Chicago to claim immunity for the artifacts.

To be honest, I dont understand how Senator Mendez's bill will accomplish anything (I can not find the bill's name). If the law's intent is to somehow hurt Iran, then it fails horribly. Priceless cultural artifacts should not become to the victim of political sabre-rattling.

[Aerithia]

[SoroushPersepolisi]

persepolis left in rain, neglected, with no care from any officials, its condition is worsening day by day








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