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Old December 7th, 2013, 06:26 PM   #661
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I've noticed that the total orders for the A380 are way down despite the obvious need for wide bodied jets in China. By contrast the Gulf carriers have ordered more than 140. I suspoect the Chinese will adopt a wait and see approach and if the coast is clear push ahead with a C292 and/or C939 program for local carriers and base them around the country. This would seriously extend their global coverage.
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Old December 8th, 2013, 06:32 AM   #662
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even from global prospect A380 is not doing very well. From a recent article "Airbus’s big bet" on The Economist,

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The doubters say the main benefit of the A380’s size, its lower cost per passenger-mile, is overstated: passengers want frequent departures at main hubs, and direct flights between smaller airports. Both of these require large fleets of midsized planes, not small fleets of giant ones.
Airbus will still need to work hard to break even in 2015.
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Old December 8th, 2013, 06:44 AM   #663
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even from global prospect A380 is not doing very well. From a recent article "Airbus’s big bet" on The Economist,



Airbus will still need to work hard to break even in 2015.
The A380 is too big for most uses, and is quite inefficient when used in short haul routes.
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Old December 8th, 2013, 08:52 AM   #664
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I was transfering planes at O'Hare when I read that dopey article from the Independent. At least the comments were fittingly critical of that hack "journalist". A few days later, the comments were wiped clean.

No one should be "worried" about the seeming dearth of planes at the Shenzhen Airport. No one should see the Shenzhen airport as being inferior to those of nearby Hong Kong and Guangzhou. Shenzhen is a big city now, but it's very new. Hong Kong's airport arrived in 1998. Guangzhou upgraded in 2004. Shenzhen is only getting a larger capacity now.

Have a gander at this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Ko...xpress_Railway

It was initially proposed 5-6 years ago. It was put on the back burner, as the connection between the Shenzhen and Hong Kong airports would threaten the dominant and very lucrative Cathay Pacific hub. Back then, Hong Kong was THE dominant airport in the region, and the connections to the mainland weren't seen as important. Imagine if a competing airport suddenly had a convenient HSR connection to Atlanta Hartsfield Airport. The folks at Delta would worry.

Now that much of HKG's business is composed of people from the mainland, it makes more sense to have that connection. Ironically, there was a proposal in the early 90s to replace outdated Kai Tak with a shared airport in Shenzhen.
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Old December 8th, 2013, 07:57 PM   #665
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A shared airport will never work. Travelers will not fly CX/KA to take a train to another airport for a domestic connection. This arrangement will just make same-airport transfers in CAN, PVG, and PEK even more attractive.
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Old December 9th, 2013, 04:00 AM   #666
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http://www.szdaily.com/content/2013-...nt_8846148.htm

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Shenzhen Airlines adds new flights

2013-December-6 08:53 Shenzhen Daily

SHENZHEN Airlines is adding new flights to Wuxi, Guilin, Hefei and Taiyuan.

Flight ZH9509 operates daily starting Friday, departing from Shenzhen at 9:35 a.m. and arriving in Wuxi at 11:50 a.m. It returns from Wuxi at 9:10 p.m. and arrives in Shenzhen at 11:35 p.m.

Flight ZH9989 to Hefei will operate daily starting Tuesday, departing at 4:20 p.m. and arriving in Hefei at 6:10 p.m. It returns at 7 p.m. and arrives in Shenzhen at 8:55 p.m.

Flight ZH9837 to Guilin also will operate daily starting Tuesday, departing from Shenzhen at 7 a.m. and arriving in Guilin at 8:10 a.m.

Flight ZH9869 to Nanchang operates every day, leaving Shenzhen at 7:15 a.m. and arriving in Nanchang at 8:40 a.m. (Han Ximin)
quick count on these destinations:

Wuxi:
China Southern - 1 every Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday
Shenzhen Airlines - 4 daily
China Eastern - 1 daily + 1 more every Monday, Wednesday, Friday and Sunday

Hefei:
China Southern - 1 daily
Shenzhen Airlines - 3 daily
Hainan Airlines - 1 daily

Guilin:
China Southern - 2 daily
Shenzhen Airlines - 1 daily
Chengdu Airlines - 1 daily

Nanchang:
China Southern - 3 daily
Shenzhen Airlines - 2 daily
Hainan Airlines - 1 daily
China Eastern - 1 daily

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Old December 9th, 2013, 04:35 AM   #667
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link in chinese:http://www.szairport.com/szairport/g...ce43a291.shtml

Shenzhen Airport has handled 30 million passenger by 10:57, 5 December 2013
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Old December 9th, 2013, 04:40 AM   #668
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What are the 20 busiest airports in China, and the number of passengers they handle
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Old December 9th, 2013, 05:18 AM   #669
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Here's the 2012 data.

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Here's the official top airports of China in 2012,

Rank ..... City - Airport (IATA) ........ Passenger ...... Change
1 ......... Beijing - Capital (PEK) ......... 81,929,352 ...... +4.1%
2 ......... Guangzhou - Baiyun (CAN) ... 48,309,410 ...... +7.3%
3 ......... Shanghai - Pudong (PVG) ..... 44,880,164 ...... +8.3%
4 ......... Shanghai - Hongqiao (SHA) .. 33,828,726 ...... +2.2%
5 ......... Chengdu - Shuangliu (CTU) .. 31,595,130 ...... +8.7%
6 ......... Shenzhen - Bao,an (SZX) ..... 29,569,725 ...... +4.7%
7 ......... Kunming - Changshui (KMG) . 23,979,259 ...... +7.7%
8 ......... Xi,an - Xianyang (XIY) ......... 23,420,654 ...... +10.7%
9 ......... Chongqing - Jiangbei (CKG) .. 22,057,003 ...... +15.8%
10 ....... Hangzhou - Xiaoshan (HGH) . 19,115,320 ....... +9,2%
11 ....... Xiamen - Gaoqi (XMN) ......... 17,354,076 ....... +10.1%
12 ....... Changsha - Huanghua (CSX) . 14,749,701 ...... +7.8%
13 ....... Nanjing - Lukou (NKG) ......... 14,001,476 ...... +7.1%
14 ....... Wuhan - Tianhe (WUH) ........ 13,980,527 ...... +12.2%
15 ....... Ürümqi - Diwopu (URC) ........ 13,347,188 ...... +20.5%
16 ....... Dalian - Zhoushuizi (DLC) .... 13,337,184 ....... +11.0%
17 ....... Qingdao - Liuting (TAO) ....... 12,601,152 ...... +7.6%
18 ....... Zhengzhou - Xinzheng (CGO) 11,673,612 ....... +15.0%
19 ....... Sanya - Phoenix (SYX) ......... 11,343,387 ....... +9.5%
20 ....... Shenyang - Taoxian (SHE) .... 11,011,800 ....... +7.6%
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Old December 9th, 2013, 11:19 AM   #670
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So another 5 years and in 2017 Beijing hits the 100m pax milestone?
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Old December 9th, 2013, 11:25 AM   #671
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Here's the 2012 data.
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Here's the official top airports of China in 2012,

Rank ..... City - Airport (IATA) ........ Passenger ...... Change
Change presumably from 2011 to 2012.
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1 ......... Beijing - Capital (PEK) ......... 81,929,352 ...... +4.1%
2 ......... Guangzhou - Baiyun (CAN) ... 48,309,410 ...... +7.3%
3 ......... Shanghai - Pudong (PVG) ..... 44,880,164 ...... +8.3%
4 ......... Shanghai - Hongqiao (SHA) .. 33,828,726 ...... +2.2%
5 ......... Chengdu - Shuangliu (CTU) .. 31,595,130 ...... +8.7%
6 ......... Shenzhen - Bao,an (SZX) ..... 29,569,725 ...... +4.7%
Note how New Baiyun had bigger increase 2011 to 2012 than Shenzhen. Was it because Shenzhen was already full in 2011, and New Baiyun was not?
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Old December 9th, 2013, 03:36 PM   #672
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This really isn't a zero sum game, because air travel in China is simply exploding. The Pearl River Delta has a population anywhere between 60-120 million people (roughly the equivalent of Germany), so why shouldn't it be served by a number of major airports?
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Old December 9th, 2013, 03:48 PM   #673
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This really isn't a zero sum game, because air travel in China is simply exploding.
Indeed. If it were zero sum game, there should be many negative changes. Yet none is smaller than +2,2 % of Hongqiao.
But PVG had +8,3 %. SZX had +4,7 % but CAN +7,3 %.
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Old December 10th, 2013, 05:21 AM   #674
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So another 5 years and in 2017 Beijing hits the 100m pax milestone?
I can only hope it hits 100m pax before the 2nd airport opens
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Old December 10th, 2013, 05:25 AM   #675
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Note how New Baiyun had bigger increase 2011 to 2012 than Shenzhen. Was it because Shenzhen was already full in 2011, and New Baiyun was not?
New Guangzhou Baiyun opened some new international flights in 2013, plus the 72 hour visa free policy.

I think Shenzhen airport will have a jump in 2014 pax data. Kunming airport pax will increase largely in 2013 due to the new opening.
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Old December 14th, 2013, 04:42 PM   #676
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An new international route is planned by China Southern.
link in chinese:http://www.caac.gov.cn/C1/201312/t20131211_60082.html

Shenzhen - Bangkok(BKK), 7/week(1 daily?), will be using A319/A320/A321/A333.

after its open, services between shenzhen and bangkok :
Air Asia (DMK): 1 daily
Shenzhen Airlines(BKK): 1 daily
China Southern(BKK): 1 daily

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Old December 18th, 2013, 04:20 AM   #677
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I am not really surprised!

Dozens of water leaks spotted at airport

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SHENZHEN International Airport authorities are working to clean up wet areas and plan repairs after dozens of water leaks have been spotted at the new terminal and the underground parking lot of its Ground Traffic Center.
Amid Shenzhen’s heaviest December rain in the past decade, dozens of water leaks have been reported in the terminal, the ceiling of which is designed with a two-layer skin featuring hexagonal windows to allow natural lighting. The terminal opened three weeks ago.
Bloggers have posted photos showing red-and-white buckets placed inside the terminal to hold rainwater dripping from the ceiling or from the terminal’s glass walls. Some even joked that the hexagonal windows and double-layer design were made especially for water leakage.
“The water leaks above the parking lots were caused by a hotel project and an office building that are still under construction. As the projects aren’t completed, the expansion and contraction joints aren’t completed and caused the water leaks,” airport authorities said yesterday.
Authorities have required project contractors to take further measures to prevent leaks in the parking lots.
Preventing leaks was challenging during construction of the terminal, authorities said, because the structure has 38,000 skylights, 220 times the amount at Beijing’s airport. The new terminal also has about 60 times the amount of glass walls as the National Grand Theater.
During construction, airport authorities and contractors conducted nine months of tests to try to prevent water leaks. Contractors also conducted tests during rainy days in October and November to test and mend glass walls that leaked, according to airport authorities.
The airport has posted cautionary signs and assigned cleaners to mop up leaked water quickly.


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Old December 18th, 2013, 11:27 AM   #678
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Even worse than that, the subway station only goes to the now closed old terminal. The subway was far enough, now passengers have to get off, and get on a bus to get to the new airport!!!

I have been flying to Shenzhen since 2008, they were building the airport the entire time, did nobody think to change the subway over to the new terminal? This is similar to Wuhan's airport, beautiful design, but they forgot to build the road there, you have to take the outer ring for 1 1/2 hours to get to Wuhan.

Learn from HKG, Get it right the first time!!!!!
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Old December 18th, 2013, 03:01 PM   #679
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Even worse than that, the subway station only goes to the now closed old terminal. The subway was far enough, now passengers have to get off, and get on a bus to get to the new airport!!!

I have been flying to Shenzhen since 2008, they were building the airport the entire time, did nobody think to change the subway over to the new terminal? This is similar to Wuhan's airport, beautiful design, but they forgot to build the road there, you have to take the outer ring for 1 1/2 hours to get to Wuhan.

Learn from HKG, Get it right the first time!!!!!
They are supposed to be building a airport line to the new terminal. Date of completion 2016.

In the meanwhile sorry for any inconvenience.
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Old December 18th, 2013, 07:20 PM   #680
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They should have got on that when they planned the new airport. That terminal has been under construction since 2009 at least. I am one of the few people that frequently flies to that airport. I guess they just lost another potential flyer HKG, CAN here I come!!!
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