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Old May 9th, 2007, 03:41 PM   #121
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Since when was a Casino a charittable organisation?
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Old May 9th, 2007, 03:44 PM   #122
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BTW, how can they open the IR in 2009? They seams to have just started the ground work and who know when they'll start building the towers themselfs. And then is the furbishing of the place. ... well you get the idea.
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Old May 9th, 2007, 03:46 PM   #123
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Observation deck & restaurants?? Aiyo....that means must pay.....
I will get the cheapest drink in the restaurant just to go up.
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Old May 9th, 2007, 04:25 PM   #124
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BTW, how can they open the IR in 2009? They seams to have just started the ground work and who know when they'll start building the towers themselfs. And then is the furbishing of the place. ... well you get the idea.
It will be very tight and the site conditions are challenging, but the developer is particularly aggressive to open on time. I suppose 2010 is also reasonable
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Old May 9th, 2007, 05:54 PM   #125
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With 2000 hotel rooms to furbish, they can't do it even if the construction is completed in 2008 (which is both teorically and practically impossible). Add also the Casino on the equation and things become even more blurry.

We have learned one thing in our part of the forum: the developer will always talk obvious BS to take the sale.

If it was just three residential towers, 2009 might have been possible (teorically): 2000 hotel rooms and a Casino: No Way.
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Old May 9th, 2007, 08:16 PM   #126
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With 2000 hotel rooms to furbish, they can't do it even if the construction is completed in 2008 (which is both teorically and practically impossible). Add also the Casino on the equation and things become even more blurry.

We have learned one thing in our part of the forum: the developer will always talk obvious BS to take the sale.

If it was just three residential towers, 2009 might have been possible (teorically): 2000 hotel rooms and a Casino: No Way.
IF i am not mistaken, Sands brought their own developer instead doing some tendering process to build this IR. So chances of them pulling this off will be higher because they have to be really good then.

other reasons that they will have to keep pushing to meet the deadline is 1) even one day delay will cost tens of miilions of loss revenue from the casinos.
2) I think it is in the contract that says they must open in 2009. Even if it is not, they have promised to do so and it is not very wise to disappoint the Singapore govenrment

But i guess even after the rubbish i wrote above, time will ultimately tell.
I bet USD5 bucks with you that they will make it in 2009 deal?
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Ok, deal: if you win I even double.
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Old May 9th, 2007, 10:53 PM   #128
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Ok, deal: if you win I even double.
Y not I think i will win
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Old May 10th, 2007, 03:56 PM   #129
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I think this project will not be able to finish in early 2009 but late 2009. Or they may open the whole complex in phases...at least part of the whole complex can operate by 2009. I guess the whole complete one will finish by early 2010. The complex is under construction now, and the piling works seem almost done, once its done, the buildings will start rising quickly. But of course I wont want them to rush...its better to build at normal pace without any mistakes...
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Old May 10th, 2007, 05:05 PM   #130
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I have seen countless construction sites (well Dubai, no...) and I can say that there's a huge number of piling rigs on site, more then I have ever seen in any site in here, which suggest the developer is really committed to do things fast.

Me seams to have a particular interest when it comes to piling, so I was wondering: As far as I know Singapore's soil is clay-like and not stable which would call for deep piles. Considering the proximity to the water, the water table must be high on the area, and a relatively thick foundation would be needed on top of the piles caps.

Are they planning to have any underground floors?

It is difficult to understand that from the pictures. You can see that they haven't dug up the plot and are working in grade level, but that doesn't mean anything, since they might be using the "deep pile inserting" technique and if so they'll dig up when piling is completed.

By the other hand I think I am seeing something that look like static test on piles (basically they put heavy blocks of concrete over a pile an measure the movements or any unusual force developed on that particular pile). If so, that might suggest they aren't going to dig and there will be no underground floors.

Sorry for my long and probably strange (to some) rant, but between the two options above there’s a difference of 2 – 3 months worth of work.
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Old May 10th, 2007, 05:44 PM   #131
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Now it is may 2007 so if you assume they want to finish by december 2009 it is still more than two years and a half of construction. Although I agree this is a tight schedule, we have some examples of towers taller than this one that have popped up in shorter time spans. The most obvious one I can think of, maybe, would be Dubai's Millenium Tower. You're right about the soil conditions, though, as far as I know, typical piling depth for reclaimed land in Singapore is 50-80m.

On another hand, Sands is not a very tall tower, and they could have a some good cards in their hands, strategy-wise (remember those people are in the gaming business ^ ^ ). The tower could be built all steel, in which case they can build faster, or they can open in phases, with the buildings still uncompleted when they open the casino and the hotel.

All in all I think they have a reasonable chance to make it by the deadline, so I'll place my bet on Kurakura's side ;-)
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Old May 10th, 2007, 05:48 PM   #132
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Singapore is so amazing
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Old May 10th, 2007, 05:49 PM   #133
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nice shots! tamago.. do you mind i ask what the name of the font u used is? where can i find such font?
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Old May 10th, 2007, 06:04 PM   #134
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Now it is may 2007 so if you assume they want to finish by december 2009 it is still more than two years and a half of construction. Although I agree this is a tight schedule, we have some examples of towers taller than this one that have popped up in shorter time spans. The most obvious one I can think of, maybe, would be Dubai's Millenium Tower. You're right about the soil conditions, though, as far as I know, typical piling depth for reclaimed land in Singapore is 50-80m.

On another hand, Sands is not a very tall tower, and they could have a some good cards in their hands, strategy-wise (remember those people are in the gaming business ^ ^ ). The tower could be built all steel, in which case they can build faster, or they can open in phases, with the buildings still uncompleted when they open the casino and the hotel.

All in all I think they have a reasonable chance to make it by the deadline, so I'll place my bet on Kurakura's side ;-)
My biggest concearn for meeting the deadline lays with the fact that it is a Casino and Hotel complex. It will take a very long time to furbish the place.

I also know that DP Architects won the design concept competition less then a year ago, and they are still working on them (both 2 IR) so I presume these will be (I don't remember the exact term) design-as-yu-build, meaning while they build the bottom section, the top is still being designed and changes might be done in the design.

I doubt DPA is doing also the structural design, so who's doing it? Meinhard maybe?
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Old May 10th, 2007, 09:36 PM   #135
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I think this project will not be able to finish in early 2009 but late 2009. Or they may open the whole complex in phases...at least part of the whole complex can operate by 2009. I guess the whole complete one will finish by early 2010. The complex is under construction now, and the piling works seem almost done, once its done, the buildings will start rising quickly. But of course I wont want them to rush...its better to build at normal pace without any mistakes...
Open in phases?Probable but highly unlikely

One of the promises made(again, not sure if it is in the contract) is that Sands will open in one go.This is also one of the reason y MGM and Harrah lost the bid because those two have phased openings.
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This is pretty genius actually, I think it's design is excellent. Besides that, Singapore is one of my favorite cities in existence so, I can't complain.
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Old May 11th, 2007, 07:18 PM   #137
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They are still rushing at night to meet the deadline

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Old May 11th, 2007, 11:17 PM   #138
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They are still rushing at night to meet the deadline

yo AltinD....those Sands guys working 24/7 ..
looks like they really desperate to make in by 2009
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Good for them ... and if they meet the deadline, good for you also.
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Are they planning to have any underground floors?
Yes. If I recall there will be 5 basement levels. Also, there will be a new subway station serving the site.
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