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Old April 6th, 2012, 09:50 PM   #721
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I cant understand why we need more corparate boxes and lounges.

Surely if the squad isnt vastly improved we will slip further down the league next season, which will obviously effect attendances, meaning less income. I dont know how much of our current corporate boxes are used on match days, but surely it must be 100% if they need to build more ?

Im all for the idea of a museum though, even if it will be empty
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Old April 19th, 2012, 01:58 AM   #722
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Objections over park-and-ride plan at Leeds United’s Elland Road
Wednesday 18 April 2012 12:26

CRITICS have slammed “pointless” proposals for a £2m park-and-ride scheme little more than a mile from Leeds city centre.

Leeds City Council is considering using land next to Leeds United’s Elland Road stadium as a car park for commuters who would then be bused into the city.

It claims the scheme would be a “quick win” in the battle against congestion.

But residents and councillors say it would be too close to the city centre to be worthwhile.

Beeston and Holbeck councillor Angela Gabriel said: “Most park-and-ride schemes are a distance outside of city centres and stop the traffic going in.

“This one is too close. It’s pointless, it won’t work.”

Residents’ group Beeston Community Forum is set to table official opposition to the plans.

Widespread objections were voiced at the forum’s last meeting.

Secretary Robert Winfield said: “I don’t think any individual had anything positive to say.

“Firstly, we feel that it’s far too close to the city centre to be effective.

“Secondly, there’s a risk of increased pollution in an area that’s already highly polluted because of how close it is to the motorways and other busy roads. Thirdly we believe it would cause increased traffic congestion.”

A Leeds City Council spokeswoman defended the proposed location. She said: “It’s not close to housing and 90 per cent of the traffic is expected to access it from the outer ring road and M621.

“Its distance from Leeds city centre is comparable to that of the sites in York, which is considered to have one of the most successful park and rides schemes in the country. Another benefit is the possible potential to use it in reverse to help reduce match-day traffic at Elland Road.”

She added that council officials had met Beeston Community Forum and were confident they could address its concerns.
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Old April 19th, 2012, 02:09 AM   #723
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Regarding the park and ride being too close, the council use to have a park and ride at Xmas alongside Meadow Lane and you can't get much closer to the city centre than that.
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Old April 19th, 2012, 02:21 AM   #724
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They also used to have a P&R near Hyde Park Corner.

I think Leeds is unique in that on several routes, it's relatively quick and easy to get to the IRR. It's only at that point where you need P&R to take you into the City, so I think P&R at Elland Road and Stourton work.

I suppose you could put it at Birstall, but then people would probably just drive down the uncongested M621 and not use P&R at all.

I think most people in Leeds would want P&R not to avoid traffic, but to avoid confusing one way systems and parking costs.
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Old April 19th, 2012, 02:35 AM   #725
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Stourton would work but then again you would battling getting through the traffic and back at certain times of the day. Otherwise make use of rail track assuming finance can be found for a new station not to mention extra carriages.

Speaking of Park and Rides I have to go into York tomorrow night. I usually use the P & R but according to the website last return is around 8pm which is no good as I'm returning later than that. So which is the easiest closest carpark to use coming from Leeds on the A64 that's close to the shopping areas.
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Old April 19th, 2012, 03:02 AM   #726
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Objections over park-and-ride plan at Leeds United’s Elland Road
Wednesday 18 April 2012 12:26

CRITICS have slammed “pointless” proposals for a £2m park-and-ride scheme little more than a mile from Leeds city centre.

Leeds City Council is considering using land next to Leeds United’s Elland Road stadium as a car park for commuters who would then be bused into the city.

It claims the scheme would be a “quick win” in the battle against congestion.

But residents and councillors say it would be too close to the city centre to be worthwhile.

Beeston and Holbeck councillor Angela Gabriel said: “Most park-and-ride schemes are a distance outside of city centres and stop the traffic going in.

“This one is too close. It’s pointless, it won’t work.”

Residents’ group Beeston Community Forum is set to table official opposition to the plans.

Widespread objections were voiced at the forum’s last meeting.

Secretary Robert Winfield said: “I don’t think any individual had anything positive to say.

“Firstly, we feel that it’s far too close to the city centre to be effective.

“Secondly, there’s a risk of increased pollution in an area that’s already highly polluted because of how close it is to the motorways and other busy roads. Thirdly we believe it would cause increased traffic congestion.”

A Leeds City Council spokeswoman defended the proposed location. She said: “It’s not close to housing and 90 per cent of the traffic is expected to access it from the outer ring road and M621.

“Its distance from Leeds city centre is comparable to that of the sites in York, which is considered to have one of the most successful park and rides schemes in the country. Another benefit is the possible potential to use it in reverse to help reduce match-day traffic at Elland Road.”

She added that council officials had met Beeston Community Forum and were confident they could address its concerns.
All the world revolves around the people of beeston (An inner city suburb of a major UK city)... some people really get on my wick, why do they even live in a city if they think this way, why don't they go live in the countryside so they can smell cow shit as they please.
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Old April 19th, 2012, 11:44 AM   #727
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The protestors of Beeston may have a legitimate complaint when commenting on any effect it will have on their area, but their comments about whether it will work or not is not really their concern - in fact if it doesn't work then they have nothing to worry about as there would be no change, so their argument is contradictary.

It sounds a potentially good idea as there is loads of open space there which is straight off the motorway. That's the fundamental basis of a park and ride scheme as I understand it; distance is largely irrelevant.
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Old April 19th, 2012, 02:25 PM   #728
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Certainly won't increase pollution- how can keeping cars to Elland Road increase pollution? It's silly. They'd be going through it on the M621 anyway.

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Speaking of Park and Rides I have to go into York tomorrow night. I usually use the P & R but according to the website last return is around 8pm which is no good as I'm returning later than that. So which is the easiest closest carpark to use coming from Leeds on the A64 that's close to the shopping areas.
When I park in York I usually park at Cliffords Tower, just off the Inner Ring Road.

Would you not prefer to get the train from Leeds though? Trains are regular, run through the night and will probably be cheaper than a days car parking.
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Old April 19th, 2012, 02:37 PM   #729
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Certainly won't increase pollution- how can keeping cars to Elland Road increase pollution? It's silly. They'd be going through it on the M621 anyway.



When I park in York I usually park at Cliffords Tower, just off the Inner Ring Road.

Would you not prefer to get the train from Leeds though? Trains are regular, run through the night and will probably be cheaper than a days car parking.
Return fares are around the £12 mark, my rail fare into leeds is at least £2-60. Car Park fees are something like £2-10p an hour and I think I will be in York 3 to 4 hrs. I could use the Askam park and ride to get into York and get a taxi back to the park and ride.
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Old April 19th, 2012, 06:33 PM   #730
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Stourton would work but then again you would battling getting through the traffic and back at certain times of the day. Otherwise make use of rail track assuming finance can be found for a new station not to mention extra carriages.

Speaking of Park and Rides I have to go into York tomorrow night. I usually use the P & R but according to the website last return is around 8pm which is no good as I'm returning later than that. So which is the easiest closest carpark to use coming from Leeds on the A64 that's close to the shopping areas.
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If you still need to know, there's a multi-storey NCP just off Micklegate. Take the A1036 off the A64 and follow that into the centre of York. Turn left onto Bar Lane immediately after entering the City Walls at Micklegate Bar. Follow that road round and you should see the entrance signposted down a little side-street on your right.

I always use this when I go to York. Bit pricey though.
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Old April 19th, 2012, 11:18 PM   #731
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Thanks, but ended up using an outdoor car park outside the wall on Nunnery Rd/street, cost £5 and was okay if you don't mind a bit of a walk to the centre.
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Old April 20th, 2012, 12:37 AM   #732
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Couldn't £2million build a train station at Elland Road?! Surely we should be looking at something like this instead.
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Old April 20th, 2012, 01:57 AM   #733
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Probably need a bit more than £2m I'd imagine. LRGP is about £18m for two stations, so split that and it's £9m.

Last time I parked at Nunnery Lane it cost a bomb- must have gone down since then.
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Old May 2nd, 2012, 02:28 PM   #734
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Details of West Stand development, should Elland Road get the Super Casino go-ahead:
http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.u...test-1-4494268
Key points;
The redeveloped West Stand would be about seven levels tall;

* The casino would be spread over two floors, with around 3,500 square metres of gaming space;

* The stand would have three tiers of football seating, complete with new executive boxes.

Sounds like any new stand would be very impressive - with 3 tiers and 7 stories perhaps as big/bigger than the East Stand? Always looked odd with the huge modern East Stand on one side and the small old West Stand on the other. This would make Elland Road a really impressive stadium...
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Old May 2nd, 2012, 02:55 PM   #735
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Anybody know what's happened to the Ken Bates court case ? no news since last Friday.
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Old May 2nd, 2012, 09:40 PM   #736
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Details of West Stand development, should Elland Road get the Super Casino go-ahead:
http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.u...test-1-4494268
Key points;
The redeveloped West Stand would be about seven levels tall;

* The casino would be spread over two floors, with around 3,500 square metres of gaming space;

* The stand would have three tiers of football seating, complete with new executive boxes.

Sounds like any new stand would be very impressive - with 3 tiers and 7 stories perhaps as big/bigger than the East Stand? Always looked odd with the huge modern East Stand on one side and the small old West Stand on the other. This would make Elland Road a really impressive stadium...
Whilst any expansion for Elland Road is welcome particularly as a replacement for the antiquated West Stand surely it would be a waste unless Leeds United get back into the Prem considering present match day crowds well below the existing capacity of Elland Road (often around 25k). Surely it would be better to invest in the team itself to get promoted into the Premier League first as opposed to yet more developments of the ground and other Ken Bates vanity projects.

Out of interest what will the capacity of Elland Road be if this new stand is constructed (educated guess of around 45k I'd imagine) and I will presume that any redeveloped West Stand could be seamlessly integrated into a possible future North or even South stands. As for this casino I would have thought a city centre location would be much better imo particularly with Ken Bates being so unreliable and of course having this casino potentially support other retail, leisure, conferencing and hotel uses I'd have thought.
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Well East Stand was 17k, but I believe now 15k with the extra boxes that were added. Current West Stand is 11k according to Wikipedia, and total capacity 38k.

Assuming they eventually build the new West stand to match the East then this would only be a 4k increase (so 42k)...

However 3 tiers I guess could take capacity anywhere up to 20k for that stand so that would be 9k increase to 47k... Having said that, our friends over the pennines have their 3 tier North stand with capacity of 26k - and we've got the space... That would increase capacity by 15k nicely up to 53k...

I'd love to see that, but more realistically I think we'll be looking at 42-47k when/if it's built...

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Old May 5th, 2012, 09:00 AM   #738
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Found this render of the redevelopment of the west and south stand's which is probably related to our miserable 2018 world cup bid, look's good though.

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Old May 5th, 2012, 10:52 AM   #739
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Nice render PhilBee, where did u get it from?
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