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Old June 29th, 2006, 08:32 AM   #221
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Its a nice looking tower... I guess but it doesn't really have a unique design that will set it apart from other skyscrapers. I guess that's okay as the Twin Towers weren't exactly unique either.
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the doughnut on the top looks shit
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Old June 29th, 2006, 03:36 PM   #223
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I liked the initial design better.

Can somebody post pictures of the several redesigns of the freedom tower?
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Old June 29th, 2006, 04:54 PM   #224
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1. First we had the Freedom tower of the original design of Daniel Liebeskind.

2. Then we got the hightened towers of the design of Daniel Liebeskind.

3. Then we got the design which added more towers, and a new Freedom Tower.

4. Then again, the surrendering towers of the FT where hightened to add more floor space.

5. Then, a all new design for the Freedom Tower is proposed.

6. Some changes had been made on the freedom tower. (06-28-06)

In progress:
Design changes on the surrendering towers of the FT. They will be finished by late summer '06.
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Old June 29th, 2006, 07:35 PM   #225
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In my opinion, I absolutely love the freedom tower. I never really had a problem with the first designs that had the lattice work. I dont understand it, first everyone wants to build the original towers again, then we get the latticework design and everyone hated it. The design was very origional and really did stand out. But when we get a tower that is owe so similar to the origionals people still have something to say about is not being origional enough!!! The twin towers were twice as bland as this design!! They were just two huge boxes that people didnt really mention until they were gone!! Cant we all just be greatful for what we have? Its a beatiful design, that has the potential to be an icon!! Look at the bright side of things, lets be glad they are finally building something there. Its been a long time coming!!!
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anyone think the top part would look better like the top of US bank in LA?

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Old June 29th, 2006, 07:48 PM   #227
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not the exact same shape, just same design in the ring.
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Old June 29th, 2006, 07:54 PM   #228
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Old June 29th, 2006, 07:58 PM   #229
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thank god those towers around the freedom tower really are going to be redesigned...they dont match or go with the design of the FT.

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.....they are being redesigned. read more.
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Freedom Tower gets government tenants

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Gov. George Pataki Thursday announced that the General Services Administration, which manages federal office space, signed a letter of intent to occupy 600,000 square feet in the Freedom Tower. One of the tenants would be the U.S. Customs House, a former tenant at the trade center before the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

The chairman of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which owns the site and is developing the Freedom Tower, had indicated the tower's design could be changed if government leases don't come through. But Childs said Wednesday that these latest drawings are final.

David Childs, the architect of the 1,776-foot structure, unveiled the new design details Wednesday at an American Institute of Architects ceremony inside 7 World Trade Center, the skyscraper Childs also designed that sits across from ground zero.

Glass prisms, landscaped plazas and a lighted spire meant to resemble the Statue of Liberty's torch are all part of the latest design of the skyscraper being built to replace the World Trade Center.

Construction began this spring on the Freedom Tower, after a redesign more than a year ago to address concerns it wasn't adequately protected from truck bombs. The building was moved several feet back from the street and made smaller, with a footprint the identical size of one of the twin towers.

So far, the building, which has a 2011 projected opening date, had failed to attract tenants. But the government earlier this year promised to fill 1 million square feet of the 2.6 million square foot office building with federal and state office space.

The new glass design tries to address criticism that the windowless, 20-story concrete base resembled more of a bunker than office building. Architects had originally thought that shimmering metal panels would cover the bottom of the building, but recently decided on 13-foot-high panels that combine triangular glass prisms.

The prisms would create a "wonderful, light, sculptural and I think artistic" effect and make the building appear more open, said Childs.

The glass panels are still being developed.

"Three glass manufacturers around the world are working on this," said Jeffrey Holmes, a senior designer with Childs' Skidmore, Owings & Merrill firm.

Security experts have approved of the new panels, which are designed to shatter into tiny particles so they won't cause severe damage, designers said.

Childs said the spire, enclosed in a white, fiberglass sheath that a sculptor is helping to create, would make it more visible from a distance and a landmark similar to the spires on the Empire State Building and the Chrysler Building.

Daniel Libeskind, the original architect of the Freedom Tower, initially designed the spire to be off-center on a twisting building meant to resemble the Statue of Liberty. The spire was since moved to the center of the building and remains there, but the new design calls for a pedestal, housing satellite dishes and antennas, that more closely resembles the statue's torch.

The tree-lined plazas, developed by the landscape architect for the trade center memorial, would be on all four sides of the building; one entrance would take an estimated 5 million annual visitors to an observation deck, while another would go straight to restaurant space on the higher floors. Visitors could also enter from an underground concourse that connects to more than a dozen train lines.

With a 50-foot-high lobby and 69 floors of office space, the Freedom Tower is scheduled to open in 2011.

Associated Press writer Verena Dobnik contributed to this report.
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Old June 29th, 2006, 10:10 PM   #232
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Originally Posted by zeeshanney
thank god those towers around the freedom tower really are going to be redesigned...they dont match or go with the design of the FT.
those are placeholder designs really, they never had any real detail even in Liebeskind design.
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Old June 29th, 2006, 11:43 PM   #233
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Sorry i couldnt resist!!!
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Old June 30th, 2006, 02:29 AM   #234
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Freedom Tower Sheds the Look of Bulky Armor

Published: June 29, 2006

Erik Jacobs/The New York Times

The Freedom Tower's lead architect, David M. Childs, Wednesday behind a model of the New York skyline, with the proposed Freedom Tower on the right. He spoke about several notable changes to the tower's design.

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A rendering of the tower's revised design, which calls for its bomb-resistant concrete base to be screened by glass prisms rather than metal panels.

Eager to avoid creating a fortress that overshadows the World Trade Center memorial, the architects of the Freedom Tower unveiled a new approach yesterday. They would clad its 187-foot-high, bomb-resistant concrete base in a screen of glass prisms rather than metal panels.

This and other notable refinements were described by the building's lead architect, David M. Childs of Skidmore, Owings & Merrill. He spoke at an awards ceremony held by the New York chapter of the American Institute of Architects in 7 World Trade Center, overlooking the Freedom Tower site, which is under excavation.

Even after the revisions, the building would still evoke the twin towers in its height and proportions. Its rooftop parapet would be 1,368 feet above the street, as was that of 1 World Trade Center, the north tower.

It turns out that in another important respect, the Freedom Tower would echo the twin towers: it would have a sky lobby. Tenants headed to the upper floors of the 102-story building would take express elevators to the 64th floor and then transfer to local elevators.

If all goes according to plan — and almost nothing has at ground zero — the $2 billion, 2.6-million-square-foot Freedom Tower would be completed in 2011.

In the first redesign last year, the base of the tower was to rise 200 feet and perhaps be clad in stainless steel, aluminum or titanium. Though Mr. Childs envisioned these panels as enlivening the almost windowless facade, others despaired about its monolithic quality. The phrase "concrete bunker" was tossed around.

"There were a lot of concerns that this was going to look like a fortress," said Kenneth J. Ringler Jr., the executive director of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, for which Silverstein Properties is developing the Freedom Tower. "I think David's artistic skills should alleviate many of those fears."

Gov. George E. Pataki allowed that he had been worried himself.

"I shared the fears that the security issues would lead the base to be something more intimidating than inviting," he said, "but the building is light and very luminescent and very inviting, and at the same time meets the highest security standards in the world."

The design drew mixed reactions at yesterday's presentation. "The best part is the change in materials at the base — it glistens and sparkles now," said Fredric M. Bell, executive director of the architects' association chapter.

But while also praising that feature, another architect, Bruce S. Fowle, a principal of FXFowle Architects, remarked that the tower "seems a little uninspired for a building of this magnitude."

The timing of the unveiling, Mr. Childs said in an advance briefing, was prompted by the completion of what are known as the tower's design development drawings, which are far more refined and detailed than the schematic plans shown last year. "There is still work to do, but the official design phase is over," he said.

It does not hurt public relations efforts by Larry A. Silverstein, the president and chief executive of Silverstein Properties, since it offers evidence that construction is proceeding, despite questions about whether his insurers will withhold more than $1.5 billion in payments and whether tenants can be found for the building.

The basic form of the building has not changed. It is an obelisk on which the corners are both tapered and chamfered, or cut away diagonally. The tip of its spire would still mark the symbolic pinnacle of 1,776 feet. It would be illuminated at night in an echo, however abstract, of the Statue of Liberty's torch.

And, barring new competitors, it would be the tallest building in the United States.

In the redesign last year, the tower was given a smaller floor area, or footprint, increasing its distance from West Street-Route 9A and any bomb-laden vehicle that might approach along that highway. With smaller floors, Mr. Childs said, it was no longer practical or desirable to have as many elevator shafts running the full height of the building, dictating a transfer floor, an unexceptional feature of high-rise buildings.

Although the idea summons memories of the 78th-floor sky lobby in 2 World Trade Center, where many people died on Sept. 11 as they waited for express elevators, Governor Pataki said he was not concerned about the reintroduction of a transfer floor.

"Sky lobbies are almost inevitable in these tall skyscrapers," said Glenn P. Corbett, an assistant professor of fire science at John Jay College of Criminal Justice. "But they should invite an independent panel of experts to assess the building's safety."

There would be five service elevators that can reach every floor, including one water-resistant car, housed in a protected shaft, for use by firefighters and other rescue workers in an emergency. The biggest changes have been made to the base; in essence, a security pedestal that is meant to lift the glass-clad office tower out of harm's way in the event of a bombing.

Though it looks fairly small in an overall view of the building, the base would dominate almost any view north from the World Trade Center memorial, across Fulton Street. The only occupied space within the base would be the lobby, with 50-foot ceilings. The rest of this lower structure would be used for mechanical equipment.

Mr. Childs now proposes to cover the base in panels of laminated glass with a saw-tooth face made of prisms in a vertical array. "You know this from high school physics class," Mr. Childs said. "The sun hits the prism and breaks into color."

He said that full-scale mock-ups of this wall would be built in Kearny, N.J., to ensure that the fractured, reflected sunlight will not blind pedestrians or drivers.

Mr. Childs said that the base, made of high-density concrete (he would not specify the thickness of the walls, for security reasons), "does the job that the New York City police want it to do, in every respect."

A spokeswoman for Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg said that City Hall and the Police Department had been consulted and had raised no concerns. Their review of the project is continuing.

In case of an explosion, Mr. Childs said, the glass will crumble into little fragments, much like automobile safety glass.

Another noticeable change to the base is that its corners would be chamfered and tapered. The main office entrance would be on Fulton Street. Visitors to the observation deck would enter from a triangular plaza off West Street and go down to the concourse level, where they would be screened. From there, they would make their ascent. Restaurant patrons would enter from a small plaza on the east side of the building.

Peter Walker & Partners are the landscape architects, as they are for the trade center memorial.

Daniel Libeskind, the official master planner of the trade center site, who tangled with Mr. Childs in 2003 over the first design of the Freedom Tower, said the latest refinements by Skidmore, Owings & Merrill were a tremendous improvement.

"They have brought luminosity and a prismatic quality to the base," he said, "and made the tower more crystalline."

The office tower, 1,182 feet in height, would be clad in 13-foot-high glass panels that cover not only the window openings but the horizontal spaces between them, called spandrels. That is meant to create a seamless, transparent expanse.

Because the base would be so tall, the first office floor atop the base is counted as Floor 20. There would be 69 office floors, ending at Floor 88. Above that would be broadcasting space on the 89th and 90th floors, followed by three mechanical floors so high they are counted as nine stories.

In the upper reaches, a restaurant would occupy the 100th and 101st floors. The enclosed observation deck, which would almost undoubtedly include a gift shop, would be at 102. Above that would be three floors of mechanical equipment.

The last 408 feet of the tower's height would be a white structure, clad in fiberglass composite panels, with a gentle convex curve in the middle. Designed in collaboration with the sculptor Kenneth Snelson, it would hide a bristling forest of antennas.

More equipment would be hidden within a halo-like circular structure, 145 feet in diameter, close to the base of the spire. The entire ensemble will be illuminated with light-emitting diodes and floodlights.

"With further refinement," Mr. Libeskind said of the Freedom Tower redesign, "it can become an icon for the city. But that will depend on how the top of the building looks."
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Old June 30th, 2006, 04:40 AM   #235
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it's good, but not great.

I prefered the latticework towers personally.
It's all good!
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Old June 30th, 2006, 11:48 AM   #236
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Old June 30th, 2006, 12:07 PM   #237
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Thats pretty aweful really.
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Old June 30th, 2006, 12:48 PM   #238
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Are you sure they're the same, one looks way thinner than the other.
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Old June 30th, 2006, 01:04 PM   #239
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2011? Whats going on, in the old days it would have been finished 2 years ago.
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Old July 1st, 2006, 12:59 AM   #240
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June 30, 2006 -- Designers of the Freedom Tower - that theoretical construct meant to replace the World Trade Center - are at it again, out with more revisions to the promised skyscraper.

This time, the reception seems several degrees above icy: "A Soaring Triumph," read the headline on a column by The Post's Steve Cuozzo, who had bitterly criticized earlier incarnations.

"Another Change for the Better," a New York Sun headline read.

Of course, The New York Times, reflexively hostile to any development that might conflict with its corporate real-estate interests, cited "mixed" reaction: The revision seems "a little uninspired for a building of this magnitude," the paper quoted architect Bruce Fowle as saying.

But that's to be expected.

From our view, the changes seem fine.

They reduce some bulkiness at the base, add glass features that hold great potential for a grand light show and include attractive features like a sky lobby.

Still, the question we've been asking all along remains:

Can the thing really be built?

Earlier this week, the developers - Larry Silverstein, who holds the WTC lease, and the Port Authority, which owns the site - went to court to force the Twin Towers' insurers to pay what they owe: about $2.2 billion, of $4.6 billion in total.

And there, in court, is where the Freedom Tower (and the rest of the Ground Zero project) will likely stay - and for who-knows-how-long.

The insurers, you see, don't want - and, indeed, aren't legally allowed - to pay any more than is stipulated in the relevant policies they wrote.

And they think those policies may dictate a lower payout under the latest rebuilding scheme. So they're balking.

Who can blame them?

Gov. Pataki, who has (in a manner of speaking) led the rebuilding project, failed to get the insurers' blessing when he, Silverstein, the Port Authority and Mayor Bloomberg cobbled together a rebuilding plan back in April.

It was yet another jerry-rigged scheme in a long line of false starts (failure to address security concerns, for example, delayed the tower by a year), and it's not at all clear whether it'll work.

And, as we've noted, other problems abound. Yesterday, Pataki announced a deal for the U.S. Customs and Border Protection Bureau to lease some 600,000 square feet of the 2.6 million square-foot tower. But the building still lacks leases from other tenants (public agencies, presumably) that Pataki promised would take space. And even the April deal itself has yet actually to be signed.

All this, as a new governor - with possibly new ideas for Ground Zero - gets set to replace Pataki in just six months.

So, yes, the new design may be lovely - "soaring," even. But will the Freedom Tower - and the rest of Ground Zero - ever move beyond just a "design"?

We certainly hope so.

But will hope be enough?
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