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Old July 5th, 2006, 10:21 AM   #261
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^It's not 102, the numbers will actually go up to 108 or so. However, they're skipping almost 20 floor numbers to get to that. It's still 80-85 stories.
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Old July 5th, 2006, 11:16 AM   #262
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skipping 20 floor numbers? Why is that? Just to make the numbers look better, or is there a real reason?
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Old July 5th, 2006, 02:22 PM   #263
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skipping 20 floor numbers? Why is that? Just to make the numbers look better, or is there a real reason?
He's talking about the 20 story base. There is no occupiable space in the base (they are all mechanical floors), but they are counting it towards height, and rightly so...
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Old July 5th, 2006, 02:51 PM   #264
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When is the Earthcam on Ground Zero online Again???
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Old July 6th, 2006, 08:49 PM   #265
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an opinion on the naming of the Freedom Tower:

Peter Mehlman

Tue Jul 4

A friend with an office near Ground Zero called. He knows nothing about construction but he sees a lot of people who look like construction workers milling around. That's the thing about New York; everyday you pass big people in hard hats doing nothing but eating lunch on vacant lots and by the end of the month they're eating lunch on the completed frame of a 88-story building.

That's why now - before leases are signed, maps redrawn, signs replaced, subways re-routed and the collective conscious re-wired - is a good time for New York to seriously rethink naming The Freedom Tower "The Freedom Tower."

At first blush, and all subsequent blushes, a structure called "The Freedom Tower" belongs in Epcot, not New York. Its twangy jingo-ism (should) trip the same cringe reflex you (should) get when rah-rah Olympics fans chant "USA! USA!" as NBA players squish some remedial team from Swaziland.

Besides, New York already has a Statue of Liberty. Liberty, freedom - synonyms, no? Not that "Statue of Liberty" is such a hot name either but it was a gift, no one wanted to be rude, so it was plopped it in an unobtrusive spot in the middle of the river and that was that. But The Freedom Tower is no gift. It's costing lots and lots of money.

The hurdle to picking a new name lies in those who insist this new structure must (!) stand as constant reminder of our freedoms. As if pedestrians will look up, see the tower and suddenly remember, "Wait a minute. I can do whatever the **** I want." The truth is, when pedestrians look up and see the tower, they will think, "Shit. I thought I was walking Uptown."

Even wobblier is the logic of hyping our freedom as a response to the September 11th attackers. "They hate us because we're free and they're not," goes the theory. Zipping from Egypt to Afghanistan to Germany to American flight schools and strip clubs sounds pretty free, but let's go with this theory a moment. If that's why they hate us, maybe it's a bad idea to rub it in the face of the next novice maniac - you know, similar to how you might avoid calling your identity thief to let him know you also have stock options.

Not that a new name should imply any intimidation on the part of America ( The You-May-Be-Right-About-Us Tower), but as things stand now, we're coming up just shy of erecting The Infidel Tower. A happy medium (The Cautiously Pessimistic Tower) has to be lying around somewhere. After all, when you're the richest, most powerful nation in the world, modesty is super charming (The Hey: We-Do-What-We-Can-Do Tower). And, not unlike the guy who buys a yacht and names it "You're Poor," America is not the most popular sailor in the marina these days. A little charm can go a long way about now (The Did-You-Lose-Weight? Tower).

Perhaps more local, Chamber of Commerce-y concepts should be explored in re-naming the most highly anticipated addition to the Manhattan skyline of all time. Oh wow, New York has so much to offer (The Duane-Read-Every-Two Blocks Tower), so much opportunity (The Fall-On-The-Street-And-Sue-The-City Tower), so much nervous energy (The Klonopin Tower), so much subversiveness (The Apocalypse ASAP Tower).

The possibilities are endless. The odds of improving upon Freedom Tower are even more endless.

Of course, there will be the issue of what to do about people who will, immediately upon the re-naming the tower, flip out. And people will flip out. Not the people of New York, but people. Underlying their apoplexy will be the pervasive American fear that, minus the maximum number of mnemonic devices, anything can and will be forgotten. Have you no sense of history? they will ask with a smug air of inferiority.

As if 9/11 was like a vacation that never happened without the proof of a "Welcome to Aruba" Snow Globe. As if 9/11 needs an emotional lien.

Please.

The Guilt-Free Tower. The Back-Off Tower. The Yeah-We-Know Tower....
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Old July 6th, 2006, 08:50 PM   #266
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i agree 100%. to me and most NYers its still 1WTC

Center Tower, or Manhattan Tower goes a hell of alot better than Freedumb Tower.

Anything but that. Soft names make soft buildings. Whats so ****** New York about Freedom Tower? It does belong in Epcot.
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Old July 6th, 2006, 09:05 PM   #267
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He's talking about the 20 story base. There is no occupiable space in the base (they are all mechanical floors), but they are counting it towards height, and rightly so...
They're also counting the upper mechanical floors as 3 stories each, even though they're just one tall floor each.
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Childs Unveils Final Design for Freedom Tower

June 29, 2006


The yearlong design development of the World Trade Center Freedom Tower concludes Friday. To mark the occasion, on Wednesday David Childs, FAIA, of Skidmore, Owings & Merrill, presented several final drawings and maquettes to an audience of 700 architects, engineers, and clients at the AIA New York Chapter’s 2006 Design Awards.

“The building is remarkably the same as the one I unveiled a year ago,” Childs said, but he stressed three significant design refinements since then. The building’s antenna, for example, will be constructed as a closed form; Childs and collaborator Kenneth Snelson originally proposed an open latticework. This final iteration features a lozenge shape that tapers to a point, and the web-like frame is slightly visible underneath it. Childs said the iconographic element will still have the quality of lightness, and suggested that it would be programmed with light displays and other dynamic features.

In addition, the glazing surrounding the building’s 69 office floors will eliminate spandrels. Each glass component will stretch to the floor’s full, 13-foot, 4-inch height. This characteristic offers “a unique character of monumentality,” Childs said. “It also provides a marker in the sky of the most important place, the memorial itself.”

In introducing changes made to the base of the Freedom Tower, Childs confided that he “wasn’t sure” of the architecture’s ultimate evolution. Safety concerns forced the design team to wrap the bottom 186-foot-tall portion in a wall of concrete that is almost uniformly three feet thick. “The concrete could have looked like a barracks,” he said. The solution: 2,000 sheets of prismatic, laminated safety glass will clad the concrete. The 4-by13-foot panels features prisms of different depths; the variety is meant to animate the skin with a variety of shadows and colors that move according to weather conditions, or with the changing perspective of the viewer. “Most consistent with the building would be to build the space out of glass,” Childs noted. “This is a friendly, warm plinth to the shaft above it.”

The multifaceted skin will fold and morph into seating at the plaza level. Childs, who envisioned “confusion about whether the building is growing out of the ground,” is working with Peter Walker, who is also the memorial’s landscape architect, on this aspect of the project.

World Trade Center developer Larry Silverstein introduced Childs at the event. He promised listeners that the Freedom Tower—for which below-grade excavations, footings, and foundations were begun in April—would be ready for occupancy by 2011, and the entire site completed the following year.

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Old July 6th, 2006, 09:34 PM   #269
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so theyre saying its 102 stories with the base, but since the 20 story base is mechanical then its just 82? at least the highest occupiable floor will still be up in the 1,200 foot range. i thought it was the other way around.
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Old July 6th, 2006, 09:39 PM   #270
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im just anxious to see this bad boy light up.

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im glad to see that the old bunker is GONE.

old model:


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Old July 6th, 2006, 09:52 PM   #272
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Sorry if I missed it, but when is the timetable for the completion of this project?
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Old July 6th, 2006, 10:22 PM   #273
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2011. the whole site will be done in 2012.

all WTC towers will go up together.
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Old July 6th, 2006, 11:40 PM   #274
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The New tower will be great but it schould be a bit Higher.
But however, no new tower can replace the old Twin Towers!!
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Old July 7th, 2006, 05:34 AM   #275
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right now its slated to be second tallest in the world at 1,776 ft / 541m. ill take that. spire or roof i dont give a ****, structurally it is taller, and it wont change its massive presence.
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yes, if it wasnt for the mighty Burj Dubai, this would be the tallest skyscraper in the world (to structural tip)! thats not bad. night shot looks f.a.b
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im glad to see that the old bunker is GONE.


new model:

This is good one I think.
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2011. the whole site will be done in 2012.

all WTC towers will go up together.

It takes a little too long. It must be a high quality in design and safety of the project. Look forward to seeing the project completed..
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yes, if it wasnt for the mighty Burj Dubai, this would be the tallest skyscraper in the world (to structural tip)! thats not bad. night shot looks f.a.b
yea ill definitely take it for what it is. SWFC may be a bit taller to the roof, but i dont like the gaping hole at the top.
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