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Old June 16th, 2006, 04:48 AM   #101
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New York just OKed tax-exempt debt for the three new WTC towers, the Freedom Tower blasting gets a thumbs-up, and Pataki sez he's confident Freedom Tower will be built as planned

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Old June 16th, 2006, 05:32 AM   #102
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anyone know what happened to the GZ webcams? I tried to view them but they are all down. http://www.earthcam.com/usa/newyork/...ndex.php?cam=1
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Old June 16th, 2006, 05:55 AM   #103
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The design its starting to grow on me.
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Old June 16th, 2006, 06:40 AM   #104
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lets see how its gonna turn out...hopefully it'll fit in
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Old June 18th, 2006, 03:57 AM   #105
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http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/14/ny...14rebuild.html
Freedom Tower Is in Doubt, Port Authority Chief Warns

By CHARLES V. BAGLI
Published: June 14, 2006

Although work is under way on the foundation of the Freedom Tower, a top official cast new doubt yesterday on whether the signature skyscraper's steel frame would ever rise above street level.

The 1,776-foot high tower will have to be reconsidered if state officials fail to obtain leases for one million square feet from federal agencies by September, Anthony R. Coscia, the chairman of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, told a breakfast forum sponsored by Crain's New York Business.

Mr. Coscia has made similar statements before, but this was his most explicit warning to date, with the fifth anniversary of Sept. 11 soon approaching. Also yesterday, Senator Charles E. Schumer called on the two dozen insurers at ground zero to make good on their commitments to provide a total of $4.6 billion for rebuilding at the World Trade Center site.

Larry Silverstein, the developer who leased the trade center six weeks before 9/11, warned last month that some insurers were indicating they might cite a new plan put together by state and city officials to renege on their obligations. "Business-as-usual tactics like talking tough, threatening litigation and stalling are just not acceptable when it comes to rebuilding ground zero," Mr. Schumer said in a statement. "We have a plan to move forward. What we don't have is explicit certainty from all the relevant insurance companies that they will make the payouts necessary to finance rebuilding."

Both men's comments raised new questions about the Freedom Tower, a project long promoted by Gov. George E. Pataki, who leaves office in December.

The project has been criticized by some real estate executives and civic leaders, who have called it too big, in the wrong location and unlikely to attract corporate tenants. The Democratic nominee for governor, Eliot Spitzer, has expressed concern that it could turn into "a white elephant."

Under the latest arrangement at ground zero, Mr. Silverstein would build three towers on the site, but he surrendered the most financially troublesome project, the 2.6-million-square-foot Freedom Tower. Mr. Coscia, in turn, agreed that the Port Authority would build it, but only if it were financially feasible.

To get the project on a sound footing, the Pataki administration agreed in April to contribute $250 million and to round up leases for one million square feet from federal agencies — at market rates of up to $50 a square foot — by September. Those leases would allow the authority to get a mortgage, which, combined with $970 million in insurance proceeds, would cover most of the cost of the building.

Mr. Coscia, who said he remained hopeful, did not indicate specifically what would happen if the federal leases fail to materialize by September, although the tower's opponents hope a new governor will abandon it. Mr. Coscia said that the foundation work for the tower would have to be done anyway to bring the site up to street level.

"I think there's every reason to be optimistic that the state will get the leases," Deputy Mayor Daniel L. Doctoroff said. "Coscia's just sounding the bell to remind people that we've got to get this done."

State officials also expressed confidence. "The Freedom Tower will serve as a testament to our resiliency as a people, a city and a country and will reclaim our city's skyline," said Joanna Rose, a spokeswoman for the governor.

Mr. Coscia also told the breakfast forum that the Port Authority was willing to take on construction of the 9/11 memorial as long as there is a financial plan for the project. The estimated cost of the memorial has swelled to $1 billion, but a report to Mr. Pataki due tomorrow is expected to outline a series of alternatives for a memorial that would stay within a $500 million budget.

"There should be an understanding of where all the money necessary to build the memorial is coming from and also a plan for its operating expense going forward," Mr. Coscia said. "I don't think the Port Authority should be responsible for cost overruns. I don't think we should be responsible for covering operating expenses."
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Old June 18th, 2006, 04:30 AM   #106
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So the Freedom Tower could be smaller than the actuall design or what?
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Old June 18th, 2006, 04:40 AM   #107
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So the Freedom Tower could be smaller than the actuall design or what?
I hope not.
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Old June 18th, 2006, 04:48 AM   #108
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If they decide to change the plan, I hope they decide to make it taller.

Let's see here...

We need an observation deck (the annual revenue alone should finance the building).

We also need Windows on the World back at the top, so we can dine with a view

Bottom line, build it as soon as possible so the revenue can start coming in.
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Old June 18th, 2006, 05:41 AM   #109
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If they decide to change the plan, I hope they decide to make it taller.

Let's see here...

We need an observation deck (the annual revenue alone should finance the building).

We also need Windows on the World back at the top, so we can dine with a view

Bottom line, build it as soon as possible so the revenue can start coming in.
You are right we need both oppurtunitys back in N.Y.C and its a pity that the roof will have the same height as the former twin towers had. Also in my opinion it is a total nonesens to build a building 1776 feet to symbolise the independance who can ever see that the building is 1776 feet tall? And the impact of Freedom Tower isn't so big if the surrounding buildindgs will have nearly the same roofheight as the FT. So build it higher please.And i am really annoyed about the talkings of security, they should build it so that everyone in the building if an attack occurs have enough time to leave the building.They can build it saver than any other scraper around the world but if someone wants to destroy it again than ,it will happen again. And it is sure that someone will die if an attack occurs, they cant save everyone. The base looks like a bunker to me. The tower schould symbolise FREEDOM and not a stronghold! They should build the former FT tower with the twisting but a little bit taller for example 500m to roof and 630m to the peak of the antenna.
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Old June 18th, 2006, 06:27 AM   #110
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i would still love to see the twin towers be rebuilt. The chances are small but it looks like the chances of the freedom tower being built are getting smaller by the day.
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Old June 18th, 2006, 07:16 AM   #111
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What about make a huge casino inside the building, to attract all the people, and make the building alive..
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Old June 18th, 2006, 07:16 AM   #112
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The Freedom Tower IS being built, and there is no way in hell that the ultra-stressed height of 1,776 feet will be lowered; the blasting just got a green light, along with the demolition of the damaged Deutsche Bank Building, which will make room for a fifth tower. Construction of the Triplet Towers will start as soon as the sites are made available. I'm pretty sure that the three towers will all be over 900 feet.
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Old June 18th, 2006, 07:20 AM   #113
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Are they demolishing the Deutsche Bank building or deconstructing it?
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Old June 18th, 2006, 07:29 AM   #114
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They're deconstructing 130 Liberty. The EPA finally stopped complaining. They are supposed to start in July.
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Old June 18th, 2006, 07:56 AM   #115
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What about make a huge casino inside the building, to attract all the people, and make the building alive..
Putting a casino in a building that is already caused enough havok amongst families of victims, their friends, pets, so forth...

it would bring the shitstorm of all shitstorms. no more bad press and protests that would delay this even further. lets sweep that one under the rug
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Old June 18th, 2006, 06:41 PM   #116
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Also, it is probably ilegal to have casinos in Manhattan.
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Old June 20th, 2006, 12:56 AM   #117
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check it out, they built a crane. Maybe they will tear down that basement now.
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Old June 20th, 2006, 01:09 AM   #118
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Thanks for an update
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Old June 20th, 2006, 01:29 AM   #119
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wow - things are happening!!!
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Old June 20th, 2006, 03:43 AM   #120
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Go Freedom Crane!



And Poland Spring Water, the official drink of the LMDC.

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