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Old May 29th, 2011, 05:31 PM   #1941
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Where did you see this?
And it looks like it follow the MRT network on the Concept Plan 2001, more or less.
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Old May 29th, 2011, 07:04 PM   #1942
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pretty interesting find mdzulkar9. this is really stuck on a SAM machine?
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Old May 30th, 2011, 01:35 AM   #1943
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lol hell no.

it was at the Rochor Exhibition at the Singapore Art Museum sometime September last year? Yeah.
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Old May 30th, 2011, 01:38 AM   #1944
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The link from EWL Bedok to possibly what could be ERL Siglap is interesting.

So is the line from West Coast to Beauty World? is it?

Lol and check out the line that looks like a uterus that spawns from boon lay to choa chu kang with an interchange in the middle to the city. lolol
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Old May 30th, 2011, 03:03 AM   #1945
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lol?

That west coast - Beauty World line together with the T7 line look like an outer circle line, with a gap in the central catchment area.
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Old May 30th, 2011, 04:21 AM   #1946
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The link from EWL Bedok to possibly what could be ERL Siglap is interesting.

So is the line from West Coast to Beauty World? is it?

Lol and check out the line that looks like a uterus that spawns from boon lay to choa chu kang with an interchange in the middle to the city. lolol
oh, that SAM

the lines that hover around Jurong area was supposed to have been part of the Jurong Region LRT if I am not wrong. this will include the straight lines below the EWL along the western area.
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Old May 30th, 2011, 05:27 AM   #1947
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Can we pretty much conclude an inner circle line interchanging at farrer park due to it's large number of exit?

And inner circle line from Mountbatten, aljunied, kallang barhu, farrer park, interchange with seletar line, Toa payoh, then TSL, then possibly TKK?
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Old May 30th, 2011, 06:14 AM   #1948
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I don't feel we need an inner circle line, but an outer circle line.

I read from a LTA report that CCL stands for Central Circle Line, which probably has the same gist as inner?

dunno.
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Old May 30th, 2011, 07:03 AM   #1949
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I don't feel we need an inner circle line, but an outer circle line.

I read from a LTA report that CCL stands for Central Circle Line, which probably has the same gist as inner?

dunno.
In this context, central could mean either inner or intermediate. I think that with the future Keppel-area CBD, an inner orbital line that stays within future actual and planned CBD areas and interconnects them with 500 meter interstation spacing would be very useful. It might increase productivity enough to pay for itself. However, I think the Holland, Seletar, and North Shore lines would be of higher priority.
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Old May 30th, 2011, 07:41 AM   #1950
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I don't think the Inner Circle Line is crucial yet, as the DTL and TSL can fill in those shoes for a while. It definitely should be brought up as the Keppel area gets rezoned for CBD use (as mcarling has brought up)

Holland Line is a must as the next step.
Seletar Line can wait until TSL and NSE hits the ground
As for North Shore Line, I think buses plying the TPE are fine for those routes.

And I never thought of CCL as a Central Circle.... so where's the Outer Circle?
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Old May 30th, 2011, 09:50 AM   #1951
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If CCL is refered to as that, then what about Circle Line? Isn't CCL the current Circle Line?
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Old May 30th, 2011, 11:25 AM   #1952
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thus CCL is the "Central Circle", with any future lines being an Inner Circle or something to that effect. I had always thought its CirCle (CC) though, like DownTown (DT).

Holland Line will indeed be of higher priority after completion of ERL, especially with the intensification in pace of BTOs in mature estates. residential land along the western EWL sector are all destined for high plot ratios of 40 or so storey flats. in the near future these new residents will have problems boarding the train filled with loads from Jurong and Clementi, much like the problems faced by Toa Payoh residents due to loads from Ang Mo Kio and Yishun.
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Old May 30th, 2011, 12:00 PM   #1953
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Holland Line will indeed be of higher priority after completion of ERL, especially with the intensification in pace of BTOs in mature estates. residential land along the western EWL sector are all destined for high plot ratios of 40 or so storey flats. in the near future these new residents will have problems boarding the train filled with loads from Jurong and Clementi, much like the problems faced by Toa Payoh residents due to loads from Ang Mo Kio and Yishun.
With the fact LTA expected current population to be only reached in 2040s, I wouldn't be surprised if construction of Holland, Seletar and North Shore Lines was pushed ahead before 2020s, as a damage control. I doubt the Govt will actually reduce their thirst for immigration over the next 10 years and that'd mean an absolute oversaturation of our entire transportation system...
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Old May 30th, 2011, 01:49 PM   #1954
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with regards to immigration, with the results of the elections just past, I think very much the entire Singapore will be watching how the flow of immigrants will be managed over the next 5 years. with greater immigration or not, I do see the necessity for sustained building in the 2020s if they hope to have the roads stay smooth.
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Old May 30th, 2011, 03:44 PM   #1955
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With the fact LTA expected current population to be only reached in 2040s, I wouldn't be surprised if construction of Holland, Seletar and North Shore Lines was pushed ahead before 2020s, as a damage control. I doubt the Govt will actually reduce their thirst for immigration over the next 10 years and that'd mean an absolute oversaturation of our entire transportation system...
Even if what you speculate is true, u are talking abt building 3-4 new lines (include the T7 line) altogther, which can be quite a handful if they are constructed together.

Assuming the gestation of 1 line would needs 7 -8 years, LTA may only be able to push out 1 new line every 3-4 years.

At the current pace, I think LTA has overstretched themselves by having 4 lines our their plate - CCL4&5, DTL1, DTL2 and DTL3. (Not to mention TSL behind the scene).

My point is, can the gov continue to build so many lines at the same time?
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Old May 30th, 2011, 04:36 PM   #1956
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The link from EWL Bedok to possibly what could be ERL Siglap is interesting.

So is the line from West Coast to Beauty World? is it?

Lol and check out the line that looks like a uterus that spawns from boon lay to choa chu kang with an interchange in the middle to the city. lolol
Would it make sense for this EWL Bedok - ERL Siglap/Bedok South link to be a branch line of ERL? I think there will potentially be more people travelling from Marine Parade to the Bedok areas (like DTL Bedok Town Park) than Marine Parade towards Upper East Coast/Changi Airport - This stretch after Bedok South may even be shell stations. Maybe there can be two destinations for east-bound trains on ERL - Bedok Town Park and Changi?
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Old May 30th, 2011, 04:52 PM   #1957
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Also, I'm a little surprised that CCL could potentially stand for Central Circle Line. I think most people just assumed it stands for CirCle Line. In fact, a quick google search showed me a few pages referring to the CCL as the Central Circle Line! (Now it really seems possible to have an ICL and an OCL!)
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Old May 30th, 2011, 06:44 PM   #1958
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Even if what you speculate is true, u are talking abt building 3-4 new lines (include the T7 line) altogther, which can be quite a handful if they are constructed together.

Assuming the gestation of 1 line would needs 7 -8 years, LTA may only be able to push out 1 new line every 3-4 years.

At the current pace, I think LTA has overstretched themselves by having 4 lines our their plate - CCL4&5, DTL1, DTL2 and DTL3. (Not to mention TSL behind the scene).

My point is, can the gov continue to build so many lines at the same time?
In the current decade (2011-2020), the CCL, DTL, TSL, and ERL are all scheduled for completion. I believe five new lines could be built during the 2020s without the need for a third planning team. With an expansion of staff, much higher building rates are possible, as evidenced by Beijing and Shanghai.
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Old May 31st, 2011, 05:06 AM   #1959
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At the current pace, I think LTA has overstretched themselves by having 4 lines our their plate - CCL4&5, DTL1, DTL2 and DTL3. (Not to mention TSL behind the scene).
I actually do think that LTA have overstretched themselves by cutting up the CCL, DTL and most likely, the TSL into different phases or stages. Effectively, it's not just the DTL, ERL, CCL, TSL but CCL1, CCL2, CCL3, CCL4, CCL5, CCL6, DTL1, DTL2, DTL3, ERL, TSL1, TSL2, NSLe, EWLe... and that's just the rail component. We also have the SURS, NSE, and countless road projects too... all of which which slows down the planning bureaucracy significantly because you have too many teams working on a small project.

Unfortunately, it does not translate to better integration as evidenced by simple things such as the CCL station designs or DTL's seeming lack of integration with Bukit Panjang LRT station, Tampines EWL, Bras Basah CCL and itself at Sungei Road and Rochor.

LTA is overstretched, yes, but I don't think it's the lack of manpower and machinery on the construction side that is to blame.
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Old May 31st, 2011, 05:44 AM   #1960
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Also, I'm a little surprised that CCL could potentially stand for Central Circle Line. I think most people just assumed it stands for CirCle Line. In fact, a quick google search showed me a few pages referring to the CCL as the Central Circle Line! (Now it really seems possible to have an ICL and an OCL!)
DTL does the job of the ICL for now so I don't expect it anytime soon.

The OCL, to me, should go between ERL around Siglap, Bedok EWL, DTL in Bedok North, Hougang NEL, Ang Mo Kio NSL, TSL somewhere there, then cut under the Central Catchment Area to Bukit Panjang DTL, Chua Chu Kang NSL, Future Tengah New Town, then under Jurong West Avenue 2, Jurong West Avenue 4 and terminate at Pioneer, or perhaps continue towards the Jurong Island.

Actually, this might be far more urgent than the Holland Line when I look at it..
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