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Ringil · June 6th, 2006, 12:00 AM

designwise · June 6th, 2006, 12:05 AM

Nice looking train !!

Finland have the Pendolino trains which reach speeds of 220 km/h

Ringil · June 6th, 2006, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by designwise

Nice looking train !!

Finland have the Pendolino trains which reach speeds of 220 km/h

which is the fastest train in service in the Nordic region for atleast 5 more year? Italian made right?

queetz@home · June 6th, 2006, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Ringil

I'll start with posting some info about Swedens first real highspeed train, "Gröna tåget" which is being developed by Banverket and
Bombardier (and a few others).

Cough...Acela....cough....

Hviid · June 6th, 2006, 12:24 AM

Most of you (probably?) know about the IC4 already... which is over 3 god dang years late!!!
It's being built by the same italian company that built Metroen in CPH.. (huge mistake by DSB

)

Anyway, here's what it looks like: (photos © DSB.dk):

A test drive, in Århus i believe:

staff · June 6th, 2006, 12:37 AM

Nice pictures...

Ringil · June 6th, 2006, 12:42 AM

damn nice train! but I cant say the seats look that extremly comfy though

Hviid · June 6th, 2006, 12:52 AM

/\ i think they look pretty comfy... remember, this is Denmark, they're not meant to be sat in for more than a few hours, max

Bruckner · June 6th, 2006, 01:02 AM

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Ringil · June 6th, 2006, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DLL_4ever

/\ i think they look pretty comfy... remember, this is Denmark, they're not meant to be sat in for more than a few hours, max

that actually went through my head when writing the reply. Everything in DK is more or less commuter-ish

S.T.A.S. · June 6th, 2006, 01:57 AM

WOW, IC4 looks incredibly good! I like it!

Jape · June 6th, 2006, 01:22 PM

"Oikorata" - 63km of new high speed tracks

Since 3rd September it will be significantly easier to reach Eastern Finnish towns - the new 63km long high-speed contingent between Kerava and Lahti will be opened. "Oikorata" allows the max speed of 220km/h.

New railway tunnel between Helsinki and Tallinn?

The whole project would cost something between 1,3 and 2,1 million eur. After all it's not so much - for comparison: the western extension to Helsinki metro is calculated to cost something between 390 and 450 million eur.

In 2002 1,3 tons of freight and 6,1 passengers were transported between Helsinki and Tallinn. For comparison it would be interesting to know the analogous numbers of Copenhagen and Malmö before the Öresundbron was built?

Option 1: Helsinki-Ruoholahti-Rohuneeme-Maardu-Tallinn
- total lenght 105km (83km in tunnel)

Option 2: Helsinki-Masala-Porkkala-Rohuneeme-Maardu-Tallinn
- total lenght 120km (63km in tunnel)

But I'm afraid they will end up to train ferries.

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Originally Posted by Bruckner

But that 220 km/h speed is only in paper. The railtracks are not in good enough condition to drive that speed except only in some places.

Yep. VR (=Varkaiden rautatiet

) loaded the last decade to develop the train furniture. Now we have quite good trains but the track network needs some development to be "Western European class". So we have to wait a few more decades.

S.T.A.S. · June 6th, 2006, 01:39 PM

I am not sure that tunnel is a good idea in a long term! Firstly there isn't so many people living in finland and estonia, about 7mln altogether, secondly there's an alternative growing number of low-cost airlines moving to this region, and thirdly it would probably be like the "eurostar" tunnel, which is making losses at the moment!...I say go for a bridge!

cphdude · June 6th, 2006, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by S.T.A.S.

WOW, IC4 looks incredibly good! I like it!

sure, they look good, but those idiots can never seam to get them build. It has got to be one of the worst run companies ever, and im pretty sure the danes are the only once stupid enough to deal with them, even after we got screwed with the metro....

what was it George Bush said or wanted to say "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, sham on me..,"

cphdude · June 6th, 2006, 01:55 PM

Oh, also, there was a fire in one of the tunnels under Storebælt last night, and the track is still closed...

ch1le · June 6th, 2006, 01:55 PM

i think you mean Billion euros

if it was 1-2 mio euros something id build it

ch1le · June 6th, 2006, 01:59 PM

@cphdude I think he said

Theres an old saying in Texas, i dont know if you have heard it, it goes like.. Fool me once shame on me, fool me twice, amm.... emm..... you cant fool me twice!

Btw, around 7 mio passengers were transported between Tallinn and Helsinki in 2005

S.T.A.S. · June 6th, 2006, 02:42 PM

Will all those new trains have only 4 wagons, as it shows in the pic?

staff · June 6th, 2006, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ch1le

Theres an old saying in Texas, i dont know if you have heard it, it goes like.. Fool me once shame on me, fool me twice, amm.... emm..... you cant fool me twice!

"There's an old saying in Tennessee, I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee - this is "fool me once... ... ... ... ... shame on... .... ... .... ... shame on you"... you fool me, you can't get fooled again"

cphdude · June 6th, 2006, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by staff

"There's an old saying in Tennessee, I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee - this is "fool me once... ... ... ... ... shame on... .... ... .... ... shame on you"... you fool me, you can't get fooled again"

yeah, i know what he said, it is one of my favorite bushisms...But as I wrote, that was what he ment to say...

btw, all this train talk is making me relivemy old dream of creating a luxury scandinavian train, like The Orient Express or The Royal Scotsman, runing through Denmark, Sweden and Norway...

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Hviid Positivist Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Bryggen, Copenhagen Posts: 2,577 Likes (Received): 25	/\ i think they look pretty comfy... remember, this is Denmark, they're not meant to be sat in for more than a few hours, max __________________ ~ A wise man once said, pretty much everything I've ever said in my life! ~

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designwise BANNED Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Helsinki , Finland Posts: 1,118 Likes (Received): 0	Nice looking train !! Finland have the Pendolino trains which reach speeds of 220 km/h

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S.T.A.S. Stas Stolfat Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: London Posts: 623 Likes (Received): 0	WOW, IC4 looks incredibly good! I like it! __________________ XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

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S.T.A.S. Stas Stolfat Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: London Posts: 623 Likes (Received): 0	I am not sure that tunnel is a good idea in a long term! Firstly there isn't so many people living in finland and estonia, about 7mln altogether, secondly there's an alternative growing number of low-cost airlines moving to this region, and thirdly it would probably be like the "eurostar" tunnel, which is making losses at the moment!...I say go for a bridge! __________________ XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

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cphdude Timelord victorious Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: København Posts: 2,683 Likes (Received): 1	Oh, also, there was a fire in one of the tunnels under Storebælt last night, and the track is still closed... __________________ Don't follow the hurd, it's full of stupid people... Thank you Obama, for killing Osama...

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ch1le always on Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: tallinn/Tartu Posts: 4,529 Likes (Received): 1	@cphdude I think he said Theres an old saying in Texas, i dont know if you have heard it, it goes like.. Fool me once shame on me, fool me twice, amm.... emm..... you cant fool me twice! Btw, around 7 mio passengers were transported between Tallinn and Helsinki in 2005 __________________ not ready yet

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S.T.A.S. Stas Stolfat Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: London Posts: 623 Likes (Received): 0	Will all those new trains have only 4 wagons, as it shows in the pic? __________________ XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

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