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Old July 9th, 2008, 09:56 PM   #301
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I agree with isaidso.

Being different at any cost is not the way. I personally find the restraint of Toronto very soothing. It makes me think of class and elegance. There is something timeless about it. The fashion is not stressed.

Yet, Toronto does have quite a variety already: all the downtown projects are somewhat different. Coldish (except for Royal Bank) but different from each other. What I do mind is the proliferation of glassy / boxy / semi-prefab residential towers. Too many of them look alike. THIS IS NOT GOOD.

But as far as Bay-Adelaide is concerned, I do not mind at all. It's "jazzy" part will come from incorporating the older facade. It's structure may be conservative, but it is very proper. It does not shout. It simply talks. And that I find healthy.
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Old July 10th, 2008, 07:21 AM   #302
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nice BA pic by lxmoss over at urbantoronto.ca.....


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Old July 10th, 2008, 07:48 AM   #303
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Wonderful update. Wish this one was double the height.
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Old July 10th, 2008, 07:56 AM   #304
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Yes, I'm not a proponent of height for the sake of height, but 434 metres would have suited this lot. There aren't any substantial lots left in the CBD beyond this. The market may dictate what is built, but Toronto needed much much taller here.

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Old July 10th, 2008, 08:28 AM   #305
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it would have looked mighty nice at 300m, that's for sure! ah well
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Old July 10th, 2008, 08:30 AM   #306
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I prefer height variance. Significantly shorter, as this is, or significantly taller than the buildings in the CBD looks much better.
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Old July 10th, 2008, 04:21 PM   #307
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It looks wonderful going up! ... I'm very excited about this, and it's risen so quickly!
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Old July 10th, 2008, 09:16 PM   #308
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Toronto's office maket cannot support the height you are talking about. Plus, it looks like we are entiring a (hopefully mild) recession, so the prospects for another downtown office tower now, with the two that are being built actively, is unlikely. Condo's sure, poeple love to live in Socialist Canada. Business, not so much, poeple don't really like our business laws (and incessent new taxes) and are taking their business investment dollars and businesses elsewhere (even Canadians). Cheers.
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Old July 11th, 2008, 03:05 AM   #309
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Nothing like some doom and gloom to brighten up the message boards...
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Old July 12th, 2008, 12:09 PM   #310
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Toronto's office maket cannot support the height you are talking about. Plus, it looks like we are entiring a (hopefully mild) recession, so the prospects for another downtown office tower now, with the two that are being built actively, is unlikely. Condo's sure, poeple love to live in Socialist Canada. Business, not so much, poeple don't really like our business laws (and incessent new taxes) and are taking their business investment dollars and businesses elsewhere (even Canadians). Cheers.
It was alluded to that the added height wanted was in relation to future needs and aesthetics, not what the market can bear.

Socialist? Canada is one of the most right wing nations around. There are probably only 3 or 4 countries further to the right. Compared to them, Canada may seem socialist, but they don't decide what the definition is. It is one set by political scientists and Canada simply doesn't fit the criteria even if one wants to label this country as such.
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Old July 13th, 2008, 10:50 PM   #311
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I'm not trying to post doom and gloom, and I like socialist precepts just as much as the next guy (Yeah for free health care and education!!). What I was saying was that the growth in business investment in Toronto (which would result in the demand for a tower the size you and I are wishing for) hasn't kept up with the growth in residential investment, and that it is possibly related to the current administration, which continues to invent new business taxes and red tape at a furious pace. I'm not trying to turn this into a political spectrum argument or even a political argument at all. Just strictly saying that in my opinion, the type of tower we are wishing for is not likely in the next decade. After all Brookfield, being one of the largest office tower owners in North America could have easily built whatever size or design tower they wanted on this site (as they have ample capital - look at the Hudson yards development they are proposing in NYC) but they chose a rather mediocre 50 floor tower, in the exact same floor plan design as First Canadian Place, which they also own, and is right across the street. My guess is they wanted somewhere to park the tenant overflow from FCP and this makes everybody happy because they are essentially the same floor plans (thus easier to market). Who knows, either way, it is not a terribly exciting development, in my opinion. Toronto has many others that are much more worthy of discussion right now...
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Old July 14th, 2008, 08:38 AM   #312
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No worries. I do agree with a lot of what you're saying.

Our governments and business leaders certainly aren't doing nearly enough to make Toronto the head office city it should be. We may have many head offices, but should have more than we do.

Toronto has snagged very few global head offices when Toronto firms merge with non-Toronto firms, very few North American head offices of non-North American firms, and very few big firms have picked up and moved their global head offices to Toronto. We should look to Charlotte, North Carolina to see a city doing many things right to cultivate head office formation. Charlotte really shouldn't be a head office city of any consequence, but has managed to turn themselves into one.
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Old July 23rd, 2008, 11:21 PM   #313
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from dt_toronto_geek at UT.
The core is practically T/O although I wish it were halfway
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Old July 24th, 2008, 05:53 AM   #314
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We should look to Charlotte, North Carolina to see a city doing many things right to cultivate head office formation. Charlotte really shouldn't be a head office city of any consequence, but has managed to turn themselves into one.
Charlotte is a head office for several large banks because it had the good fortune of having a local businessman rise to success in the banking industry and moved various financial institutions' headquarters to his home city.

It was nothing Charlotte did.
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Old July 24th, 2008, 06:25 AM   #315
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Great photo - thanks!!
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Old July 28th, 2008, 11:53 PM   #316
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Cool picture!!!!
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Old July 29th, 2008, 12:08 AM   #317
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Bay Adelaide has topped out. The forms are coming down.


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Old July 29th, 2008, 12:16 AM   #318
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is 217 metres the accurate height figure? in skyscraperpage it says its 215 metres. But I go with 217 (skyscrapercity's)
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Old July 29th, 2008, 03:55 AM   #319
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Too bad it looks rather insignificant in distant shots because up close it is very tall. I guess it will look more complete and uniform once the cladding has caught up to the core.
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Old July 29th, 2008, 06:43 AM   #320
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Here's a couple of pics I took while I was in Toronto for a few hours

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