should ranger's and celtic be allowed to join premiership

[cushty]

i will start the poll with yes

[andysimo123]

no

[caw123]

They aren't good enough!

[cushty]

explain why we are not good enough mate

[caw123]

I was joking there. But I don't think there would be any point really. The premiership is being cut down not expanded. And the SPL actually looked competitive last year with Rangers finishing 3rd.

[ranny fash]

i don't really care, i can't think of good enough reasons why or why not either way. it would benefit those 2 clubs, but maybe it would allow the other scottish clubs a chance at glory?

i don't think it matters whether they are in england or not, you want the most exciting league. if barcelona wanted to leave la liga and join the prem (as if) then there's nothing wrong with that except maybe the loss of local rivalries, and travel costs.

the big losers would be championship clubs who would face extra competition to reach the prem.

the more i think about it the more it makes sense really, it just depends on whether you believe national boundaries are important. both clubs are among the biggest in the world but are screwed by playing in a shit league.

[Jack Rabbit Slim]

Helllllllll no! And here's why:

-Firstly, because it would totally kill off whatever is left of Scottish league football

-secondly, because it would mean two English clubs don't get a Premiership spot and the money/glory that comes with it, which would have an impact on English football as a whole

-thirdly, because the Premiership does not want/need/desire the constant Old Firm bickering and religious bitch-fights that consume the SPL

-fourthly, because Scottish clubs travelling to English grounds and visa versa would innevitably cause problems, added hooliganism and God knows what else. The Premiership has, over the past decade or so, implemented many successful schemes to prevent hooliganism, pitch invasions, croud fighting etc etc etc, and the Prem is now probably the safest and 'harmoneous' big league in the world at the moment, it does not have the racism, fashism, croud riots, corruption etc that is present in the Spanish and Italian leagues. Not saying the Prem is perfect in this respect, but a dam sight better then it used to be, and a dam sight better then other leagues, so the addition of two Scottish clubs in the Prem (especially war-mongering clubs like C+R) could have a seriously negative impact on this aspect of football and could ruin all that has been solved over the years!

-Fifthly, because, although C+R might see the benefit in joining the Prem, it could also do them some damage, cus in the SPL they are the big dogs, nobody really to challenge them power-wise, but in the Prem they would quite likely find themsleves in mid-table obscurity, struggling to get into any European competitions....

Buuuutttt, this is kinda the wrong time to be discussing this; when the new season starts then I might take more interest, but right now all I am concerned about the the World Cup!!!!!!

[cushty]

i dont think old firm fan's wud bother bout the travel cost's if they are facin the chelsea's man utd's and liverpool's week in week out ....they both have a very large away support and would easily take up all the ticket's they were allocated.....also the tv revenue is just on another planet from the spl and with this extra money we would be able to entice top class player's ....and let's be realistic you need ranger's there to take the title of chelsea cos it looks like no-one else will....lol..

[cushty]

Originally Posted by Jack Rabbit Slim

Helllllllll no! And here's why:

-Firstly, because it would totally kill off whatever is left of Scottish league football

-secondly, because it would mean two English clubs don't get a Premiership spot and the money/glory that comes with it, which would have an impact on English football as a whole

-thirdly, because the Premiership does not want/need/desire the constant Old Firm bickering and religious bitch-fights that consume the SPL

-fourthly, because Scottish clubs travelling to English grounds and visa versa would innevitably cause problems, added hooliganism and God knows what else. The Premiership has, over the past decade or so, implemented many successful schemes to prevent hooliganism, pitch invasions, croud fighting etc etc etc, and the Prem is now probably the safest and 'harmoneous' big league in the world at the moment, it does not have the racism, fashism, croud riots, corruption etc that is present in the Spanish and Italian leagues. Not saying the Prem is perfect in this respect, but a dam sight better then it used to be, and a dam sight better then other leagues, so the addition of two Scottish clubs in the Prem (especially war-mongering clubs like C+R) could have a seriously negative impact on this aspect of football and could ruin all that has been solved over the years!

-Fifthly, because, although C+R might see the benefit in joining the Prem, it could also do them some damage, cus in the SPL they are the big dogs, nobody really to challenge them power-wise, but in the Prem they would quite likely find themsleves in mid-table obscurity, struggling to get into any European competitions....

Buuuutttt, this is kinda the wrong time to be discussing this; when the new season starts then I might take more interest, but right now all I am concerned about the the World Cup!!!!!!

disagree mate here's why...

firstly... it wud not kill off scottish football lot of good team's are forming in spl heart's finished 2nd hib's have alot of good youngster's breaking through ... i think it wud actually help scottish football as more team's will win the league..

secondly.. 2 english club's already dont get a shot at the premiership cos cardiff city and swansea are in english divisions....

thirdly... the old firm bickering will never go away ...but wen old firm play each other it is alway's goin to be in scotland so england will not suffer...

fourthly...scotland itself has done alot to stamp out hooliganism and bigotry but as i said before it will never go away and that includes hooliganism in england ...there is as much chance as trouble flaring up if man utd travelled to liverpool than if old firm travelling to say arsenal....only takes one idiot to start trouble..

fifthly...all right the old firm will prob not get a euro place in their first season ..but with the money in premiership the old firm will be able to attract top class players and be able to compete with the rest of them comfortably in my opinion....

[Noostairz]

i might not have a problem with another british side joining the premiership. what i do have a problem with is a side which portrays itself as proudly non-british, and whose supporters even sing songs glorifying the IRA, joining the premiership. they can fuck off.

rangers in.
celtic out.

why don't celtic fans want to join the irish leagues anyway? that's clearly where their allegiance lies.

[Zim Flyer]

I think it would be good.

In cricket we already have the Irish and Scottish cricket teams playing in the English Cup league (C&G) so why not two Scottish football teams.

[andysimo123]

Ranger's and Celtic wouldnt finish in the top 6 if the Played in the English League. I've been to watch Celtic vs United and Ranger's vs United and we have won every time very easily but then again I'd rather watch United vs Rangers every week than United vs Watford because atmosphere will be better. Thats why I wanted Leeds to come up, now we have to play Watford which will be a shit game, unless we win it about 6:0.

[Gareth]

Rangers fans can be just as bad with the emphasis being on anti-Irish and anti-Catholicism.

[cushty]

Originally Posted by andysimo123

Ranger's and Celtic wouldnt finish in the top 6 if the Played in the English League. I've been to watch Celtic vs United and Ranger's vs United and we have won every time very easily but then again I'd rather watch United vs Rangers every week than United vs Watford because atmosphere will be better. Thats why I wanted Leeds to come up, now we have to play Watford which will be a shit game, unless we win it about 6:0.

that's now mate wen ranger's and celtic are in scottish league....but apart from man utd the old firm have a very good record against english opposition ...as i said b4 both team's wud find it difficult first season but wen that money starts rolling in then we would be able to attract a better calibre of player's that we are currently gettin... and this talk about spl bein a two horse race (it is true) let's face it at least 2 teams in spl are fighting it out.. at the moment in premiership it is only a 1 horse race and it drastically needs a bit more excitement in it...

[CrazyMac]

The question shouldnt be "should they be allowed to join?" but "would they want to join?".

Big fish in a small pond and all that.

Besides, it would open up a whole can of worms with UEFA/FIFA.

Eventually when the big clubs need even more money, there will be a European league made up of the G14 plus 4-6 wild card entries.

[2005]

No!

Have your secterian devide where it is. Racsim is not alowed in England infact thats bollox its not allowed anywhere in the world! I hat there anti catholic of protesstent chant fecking disgracful!

Anyway England won and I'm pissed!

[Fragmentor]

Originally Posted by cushty

explain why we are not good enough mate

I don't feel it would be worth it. Rangers on current form wouldnt beat a Bolton side having a decent day. They'd be mid-table at best. Celtic would fail to qualify for top european football, something they're guaranteed virtually in Scotland. It means extra travelling for everyone, especially the scots who just come down all the time. It wouldn't be worth their while, when they wont be playing european football at the level thay are now or not at all. You can talk about the added revenue making them better, but if Celtic don't get in the CL for a few years the extra revenue of more fixtures will be wiped out year on year!

[Fragmentor]

Originally Posted by cushty

that's now mate wen ranger's and celtic are in scottish league....but apart from man utd the old firm have a very good record against english opposition ...as i said b4 both team's wud find it difficult first season but wen that money starts rolling in then we would be able to attract a better calibre of player's that we are currently gettin... and this talk about spl bein a two horse race (it is true) let's face it at least 2 teams in spl are fighting it out.. at the moment in premiership it is only a 1 horse race and it drastically needs a bit more excitement in it...

and you feel that those two average teams can make it better? It just adds two more teams to the Charlton/Bolton/Middlesbrough/etc bracket

[Lostboy]

No. Send 'em homeward tae think again.

Why the hell should we allow two clubs fighting a religious divide irrelevant to the rest of Europe to play in one of the strongest European Football Leagues, essentially to give these gready Caledonian Clubs more TV money at the expense of hardworking and honest decent English Clubs. The only people who would support such a move are Anglophobes or Unionists. If they turn out to be good enough to be challenging for European Places they would take them away from English Clubs. If they are not good enough what really is the point? Besides would we really take a club who has basically sold their own grandmother by abandoning the league that nurtured them for over a century, for the sake of a few dollars more?

Why is it people on this forum, show such a disgusting deference to Scottish People, the Scottish Nation and Scottish Culture? We have to get over the idea that anyone is ethnically or racially better than anyone else, these are the ideas of the past. We should all be judged purely on merit.

[potto]

I think it would be a good thing with the support base of Rangers and Celtic being part of the Premier league and yet it isnt verging towards the ominous Eurpean Super league which would be bad news for smaller teams.