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Old March 2nd, 2009, 03:49 PM   #141
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Yeah, the SW of England is popular with tourists precisely because it is quiet with cute fishing villages, nice beaches and beautiful countryside walks, peaceful historic towns and so on but if that's not what you're interested in then it might seem quite dull to a freshfaced young chap like Skyprince ( ) who might prefer busy cities.

I know that Skyprince likes cheap and tasty street food which is something that the UK sorely lacks, you'll just have to spend more on restaurants if you come again, there is lots of good food to be had but you'll have to spend more than you're used to in Malaysia or get a friend to cook for you!!

If you've been to London though I can't see how you would find that dull Skyprince, there is everything going on all the time if you want to find it and enough to see and do as a tourist for months.
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Old March 2nd, 2009, 09:02 PM   #142
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The South West of England is a lot quieter than the rest of the country (apart from Bristol), although much of it is very beautiful (you can exclude Plymouth!). Remember also that what you see as "dull", many other people would find quiet and charming, it sounds like you need to get away from the South West!

If you want to see "vibrant Britain", you need to go to places like Manchester, Brighton, Newcastle and Glasgow.....and London of course!
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Yeah, the SW of England is popular with tourists precisely because it is quiet with cute fishing villages, nice beaches and beautiful countryside walks, peaceful historic towns and so on but if that's not what you're interested in then it might seem quite dull to a freshfaced young chap like Skyprince ( ) who might prefer busy cities.

I know that Skyprince likes cheap and tasty street food which is something that the UK sorely lacks, you'll just have to spend more on restaurants if you come again, there is lots of good food to be had but you'll have to spend more than you're used to in Malaysia or get a friend to cook for you!!

If you've been to London though I can't see how you would find that dull Skyprince, there is everything going on all the time if you want to find it and enough to see and do as a tourist for months.
Actually I spent a week in London and 3 weeks in Southwest ( Exeter and Plymouth ) . I think its personal observation but I found London itself pretty dull and lifeless , and there's no enough lights at night! I always thought UK and especially London such a lively place but I gotta made my mind again. I was in Oman which is bigger than UK but with population under 3 million , and even cities like Salalah which has less population than Exeter is always bustling with activities.

I don't mean that's bad, but just my observation - I like peaceful place with minimal rush too , just I ( and my family members ) was shocked that UK/London is total opposite to whatever we imagined.

I think next time Jonesy should provide free accommodation to me in his/her house in Shrewsbury and prepare exotic British cuisine every day .

I think UK is not the place to enjoy city life or vibrant environment, but its the right place to relax and to have peace in mind Yes, in such a crowded island
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Old March 2nd, 2009, 10:50 PM   #143
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I can't help but feel you're being a little harsh on London with respect to vibrancy. But then each to their own. Despite visiting a few Asian cities I never got the impression that they were any more vibrant or busy in comparison to central London. Sure, the suburbs of London tend to be rather dead, but inner London is usually full of life!
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Old March 2nd, 2009, 10:57 PM   #144
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I finally looked at the pics - very nice.

FWIW I used to live in Shrewsbury, Massachusetts, US.
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Old March 2nd, 2009, 11:18 PM   #145
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I think its personal observation but I found London itself pretty dull and lifeless
What can I say? If you think London is dull and lifeless, you'll find every other major European, North American and Australian city lifeless too, Paris, Rome, New York, Chicago and Sydney - London is no less vibrant than any of these other Western cities. Maybe you just feel more at home in Asian / Middle Eastern cities!
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skyprince you have no idea of what you´re talking about. London is extremely vibrant. Parts of the west end are overcrowded and many other areas are full of life even late at night.
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I can't help but feel you're being a little harsh on London with respect to vibrancy. But then each to their own. Despite visiting a few Asian cities I never got the impression that they were any more vibrant or busy in comparison to central London. Sure, the suburbs of London tend to be rather dead, but inner London is usually full of life!
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What can I say? If you think London is dull and lifeless, you'll find every other major European, North American and Australian city lifeless too, Paris, Rome, New York, Chicago and Sydney - London is no less vibrant than any of these other Western cities. Maybe you just feel more at home in Asian / Middle Eastern cities!
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skyprince you have no idea of what you´re talking about. London is extremely vibrant. Parts of the west end are overcrowded and many other areas are full of life even late at night.
Vibrant to me means full of activities, noise , colour, street announcement, 24-hour/ late night shopping , tons of restaurants ( street and open-air food ) , warm & smiling faces etc. Bustling with people or overcrowding is only part of it. I agree that some parts of London an UK are vibrant but as a whole they are not so, from what I saw. Its not just me but my whole family member had the same impression too, and we still discussed it up till today.

I think partly due to the time of my visit- in mid November up till mid December, and the weather was pretty cold + extremely cloudy during that time. And prices in UK is very high so we couldn't travel around much.

If you want to know a real vibrant city, than you need to visit Tokyo. Its extremely vibrant and full of energy with endless activities, noise, fashion, street announcement, 24-hr convenience stores and restaurants everywhere you go, full of rush and very digitalized. What Tokyo lacks is a cosmopolitan society as in London/UK. I personally think some Asian and Middle Eastern countries which I visited ( especially Japan, Thailand, UAE, Oman, Yemen ) are extremely vibrant but some like Taiwan, Bangladesh, UK, Brunei ( as a whole ) are less vibrant. I was in Bangladesh last year and also couldn't believe that its a country of 150 million, its rather a country of 15 million with minimal rush.

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Old March 3rd, 2009, 02:56 AM   #148
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I'm actually looking for places to visit/possibly move to in the uk, and this definitely looks like a possibility. Great photos, thanks for posting : ).
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Old March 3rd, 2009, 10:24 AM   #149
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I finally looked at the pics - very nice.

FWIW I used to live in Shrewsbury, Massachusetts, US.
There are a few Shrewsburys in the US but the MA one seems to be the biggest, is it in the Boston metro area??
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I'm actually looking for places to visit/possibly move to in the uk, and this definitely looks like a possibility. Great photos, thanks for posting : ).
Yeah, come visit, I've visited Roanoke so you owe me!
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I think partly due to the time of my visit- in mid November up till mid December, and the weather was pretty cold + extremely cloudy during that time. And prices in UK is very high so we couldn't travel around much.
That is probably the worst time of year to visit for weather, in the grey drizzle and short daylight hours of late Novemeber it can be pretty dull admittedly. People tend to stay indoors more in those months, but that's probably the same in any part of the world with a temperate climate, in summer the parks, streets and other public spaces have more going on.

In the summer when it stays light until after 2200, the weather is nice and warm (for me, maybe a KL resident would still find it cold ) and summer festivals, concerts, sporting events etc are happening it is a much better time to visit.

As for cost, now is the best time for years for foreign visitors, because of the recession hotels, restaurants, shops etc are all cutting prices and the weak pound means that tourists and other visitors from most parts of the world are getting more pounds for each Dollar, Euro, Ringgit and Ngultrum than for many years.

Back in 2005 you would have had to pay over 7 MYR for a pound, now you only need just over 5. It still wouldn't be as cheap as SE Asia but the UK is now no more expensive than other Western European countries, Japan, USA etc.


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Old March 4th, 2009, 01:29 AM   #152
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Yeah, come visit, I've visited Roanoke so you owe me!
Haha I do owe you ALOT if you visited Roanoke lol. But if I do this summer, I'll hit ya up and tell ya
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Haha I do owe you ALOT if you visited Roanoke lol. But if I do this summer, I'll hit ya up and tell ya
To be honest I saw almost nothing of your city, I was driving down from DC and just stopped the night in a Roanoke motel then left again in the morning to drive along the Blue Ridge Parkway into NC. You have some beautiful scenery down there.
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Wow I'm very impressed. Most people from the US have never been to Roanoke, but you have lol. Yes, the Blue Ridge Parkway is awesome. I'm def. privileged to live here. But I love the UK, and Shrewsbury looks right up my alley lol. Beautiful, friendly, calm. Great looking place.
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how is it pronounced?

row ah noke
row ah no kee
rone oak
rone o kee????
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Yeah, your first pronunciation is correct. Row-a-noke. In local Native American language, it means money I believe.
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Old March 6th, 2009, 01:08 PM   #157
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Just for youo i've been taking some photos of the least glamourous parts of town over the last day or two, social housing and quiet suburban housing, building sites, big box retail, supermarkets, industrial parks, recycling centre etc and i'll post them soon so that you can all see the mundane side of the town!
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OK, here goes, some suburban and other random shots including the ugly parts of town.

19th century suburban homes
[IMG]http://i40.************/316p8cl.jpg[/IMG]

1990s style detached houses
[IMG]http://i39.************/orv1no.jpg[/IMG]

Earlier in the thread I posted a photo of a house I thought Charles Darwin was born in - It wasn't this is the right house.
[IMG]http://i44.************/1zvv86d.jpg[/IMG]

Proof
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The monstrous 1980s mock-tudor Charles Darwin shopping centre
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Inside the shopping centre
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the adjacent multi-storey car park and bus station
[IMG]http://i40.************/2rxidxf.jpg[/IMG]

The new theatre, just opened last month.
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As you can see, there was a disused 19th century chapel on the site and instead of knowcking it down they incorporated it into the new building.
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The Welsh Bridge
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The 1950s(?) market hall, not a great building but good food inside.
[IMG]http://i39.************/fu01th.jpg[/IMG]

An old signal box next to the train station
[IMG]http://i40.************/2dhy5x5.jpg[/IMG]

Walking into town from my house along the river.
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Recently built apartment buildings
[IMG]http://i43.************/2w36xqu.jpg[/IMG]

The recession hasn't completely stopped construction, these are some apartments and townhouses being built just round the corner from my house.
[IMG]http://i42.************/29foyhk.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i44.************/2zego7n.jpg[/IMG]

However the recession does mean cheaper food, half price chinese buffets, £2.95 for all you can eat at lunchtimes, bargain!!
[IMG]http://i42.************/20l17s.jpg[/IMG]

The post office at the end of my street.
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A new building at the main hospital, don't know what it is.
[IMG]http://i43.************/33254ph.jpg[/IMG]

Strange looking suburban art deco house, it's just like Miami beach!!
[IMG]http://i39.************/2wd7lll.jpg[/IMG]

Meole Village church, this part of town used to be a separate village until it was swallowed by the expanding suburbs in the inter-war period. It still has village style cottages, I might take some more photos around here at some point.
[IMG]http://i39.************/2lcvjvq.jpg[/IMG]

For Skyprince, this is the Shrewsbury branch of Sainsburys supermarket
[IMG]http://i39.************/29djoeg.jpg[/IMG]

and for youo, this is some grotty social housing in Meole Brace
[IMG]http://i39.************/2rz2b7t.jpg[/IMG]

Shrewsbury Town Football club stadium
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[IMG]http://i40.************/23hr9si.jpg[/IMG]

The multiscreen cinema
[IMG]http://i40.************/3313si8.jpg[/IMG]

This suburban house was the home of First World War poet Wilfred Owen.
[IMG]http://i43.************/25kn5ev.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i43.************/fvk1tg.jpg[/IMG]

More exciting photos to come later!
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Thanks for the new photos . Every part old a new looks great to me.
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