A new home for Everton

[Toadboy]

Ta.

[sloyne]

Originally Posted by sloyne

My favourite site for a new stadium for Everton is between Sandhills Lane, the Leeds & Liverpool Canal/Commercial Road, Boundary Street and the Merseyrail line. Building a stadia here would not only revitalize this part of Liverpool but would also have the effect of stretching the city even further north. It has it's own railroad station and the rail line and canal are "natural" boundries for crowd control. And best of all, I believe this piece of land is still derelict.

Something else I've just realized, The Waterloo tunnel track joins the Merseyrail line at Kirkdale Station so there would be no need for visiting fans, travelling by rail, to transfer to Merseyrail. The site is literally just minutes from the present site occupied by Everton Football Club.

[Liverpool8]

Originally Posted by sloyne

Something else I've just realized, The Waterloo tunnel track joins the Merseyrail line at Kirkdale Station so there would be no need for visiting fans, travelling by rail, to transfer to Merseyrail. The site is literally just minutes from the present site occupied by Everton Football Club.

The Waterloo tunnel passes underneath the Merseyrail line quite a bit further south than Kirkdale. The inner loop line passes near Kirkdale and joins the Merseyrail line near Bankhall. It doesn't pass through Kirkdale Station itself.

[Liverpool8]

By Larry Neild, Daily Post


THE Liverpool-born chief executive of supermarket giant Tesco, Sir Terry Leahy, has pledged to serve on the board of regeneration company Liverpool Vision for a further three years. It means Sir Terry will have a close involvement with Merseyside through both next year's 800th birthday celebrations, as well as Capital of Culture year in 2008.

Despite being one of the country's busiest globe-trotting business executives, he has attended most of the board meetings of Vision, the country's first city centre urban regeneration company. Vision was set up by the city council and private sector, with the Northwest Regional Development
Agency, and government agency English Partnerships, to steer forward the regeneration of Liverpool city centre.

It has played a crucial role in the £920m Grosvenor Project, the Kings Dock arena as well as the proposed projects at the Pier Head. Last night Vision chairman Sir Joe Dwyer said: "We are delighted that Terry has agreed to serve on the board for another three years. He makes a very valuable contribution to our discussions. Vision succeeds because of the wide experience of people working within the organisation."

Sir Terry, who is 50, was appointed chief executive of Tesco in 1997. He was educated at St Edward's College in West Derby and then went on to the Manchester's UMIST where he gained his BSc (Hons) in management sciences. He joined Tesco in 1979 as a marketing executive, becoming marketing manager in 1981. Sir Terry was appointed to the board of Tesco in 1992, and was appointed deputy managing director in February 1995.

A lifelong Everton supporter, he is said to be eager for the club to work with Tesco to deliver a new stadium, earmarked for Kirkby, as a replacement for Goodison Park. The contribution from Tesco would make the prospect of an affordable new home for the club a reality. The scheme, also including a hotel, would cost around £250m if it goes ahead, though Liverpool Council is still keen to retain the club within the city.

Tesco was the main catalyst for a major mixed-use regeneration development in Coventry, creating over 1,000 jobs and providing a new stadium for Coventry City . It wants to see that copied in Knowsley.

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Anyone think that Larry Neild supports the move to Kirkby?

[Tony Sebo]

where the fuck is 'Knowsley'

[Toadboy]

Not just what but where.

It's this type of parochial attitude that is holding the city back, the sooner they realise the power of the city region rather than measure themselves (the boroughs) against the likes of Coventry, Corby and Doncaster, the better.

At the same time time this article is a glaring example of individuals and quangos driving the Daily Post and Echos content and stance rather than them dealing with and covering real issues.

[kung_fuzi]

Originally Posted by Toadboy

Not just what but where.

It's this type of parochial attitude that is holding the city back, the sooner they realise the power of the city region rather than measure themselves (the boroughs) against the likes of Coventry, Corby and Doncaster, the better.

At the same time time this article is a glaring example of individuals and quangos driving the Daily Post and Echos content and stance rather than them dealing with and covering real issues.

Exactly Toad, the Echo and Post seem to want to perpepuate M'side and it's separate bouroughs rather than grow the brand name of Liverpool.

[Toadboy]

More sinister than that Kung, they (Post & Echo) seem to promote certain individuals and organisations rather than look at the issue and report the whole picture.

The parochialism is more a problem coming from the boroughs, of course they have to be, a lot of people are making money off the back of this sorry state of affairs - THEY need Knowsley, Sefton, Wirral etc. far more than the people who live in those districts.

[Blabbernsmoke]

Originally Posted by Tony Sebo

where the fuck is 'Knowsley'

I don't knowsley.

[liverpolitan]

I have drawn the boundaries a bit more precisely, after my recent site visit. I think a grand sandstone Gothic terrace is required a small way down the hill from the Cathedral, with a grand staircase down the hill, leading into a formal path. Rockeries and lawns, with rough-hewn sandstone, all around. Although not part of the original design, it should have been.

For Chinatown....I propose that the park changes at that point, and becomes more formal again, as a sandstone paved corridor with a "square" feel, including benches, (that area is where the cherry trees will go) and basically that will become a corridor, leading beyond into a new extended Chinatown in the high-density Baltic 3 area (shown with pink shading). There is actually very little demolition of Chinatown involved, and the brown shaded area is nearly all a square anyway currently. The idea is - as with Ropewalks - to make development "jump" across the Park to the other side of Park Lane and St James Street.

[City on The Water]

Originally Posted by liverpolitan

I have drawn the boundaries a bit more precisely, after my recent site visit. I think a grand sandstone Gothic terrace is required a small way down the hill from the Cathedral, with a grand staircase down the hill, leading into a formal path. Rockeries and lawns, with rough-hewn sandstone, all around. Although not part of the original design, it should have been.

For Chinatown....I propose that the park changes at that point, and becomes more formal again, as a sandstone paved corridor with a "square" feel, including benches, (that area is where the cherry trees will go) and basically that will become a corridor, leading beyond into a new extended Chinatown in the high-density Baltic 3 area (shown with pink shading). There is actually very little demolition of Chinatown involved, and the brown shaded area is nearly all a square anyway currently. The idea is - as with Ropewalks - to make development "jump" across the Park to the other side of Park Lane and St James Street.

Are you on the right thread?

[liverpolitan]

Originally Posted by City on The Water

Are you on the right thread?

I think so, I started the thread to develop this idea.

[City on The Water]

Originally Posted by liverpolitan

I think so, I started the thread to develop this idea.

You never mentioned a stadium - now I see that the blue square is one. Right on the Wapping Tunnel too.

Great idea. Problems are that the Dock Rd has to remain intact to take traffic though. The Dock Rd should be removed at sections to get the docks and waterways meshed into the city beyond.

Liverpool needs a park in the centre, and those awful council houses, with pig tenants (the litter levels amongst them is a disgrace) between Gt. George St and Park Lane should go.

If it is built it renders the Kings Dock arena useless (which is a good thing then it can be demolished), as the whole lot could have been in one complex here on this park or on the Baltic Triangle.

It promises to bring a station back to life at Wapping – it would need to be a big one to take the throughput.

Do some more thinking and present it to EFC and council (not sure about Liverpool Vision, as they are the ones supposed to have vision they would not look at it).

[City on The Water]

Originally Posted by liverpolitan

[IMG]I have drawn the boundaries a bit more precisely, after my recent site visit. I think a grand sandstone Gothic terrace is required a small way down the hill from the Cathedral, with a grand staircase down the hill, leading into a formal path.

Forget that. The council proposed a park in front of the cathedral and they refused wanting the cathedral to be amongst the houses, like a medieval cathedral rising out of the houses. So the ticky-tacky flats festooned with litter will have to stay.

[pc7776]

Added value to any proposalwill always carry favour

[City on The Water]

Originally Posted by pc7776

Added value to any proposalwill always carry favour

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[Liverpool8]

Originally Posted by City on The Water

Forget that. The council proposed a park in front of the cathedral and they refused wanting the cathedral to be amongst the houses, like a medieval cathedral rising out of the houses. So the ticky-tacky flats festooned with litter will have to stay.

One of the problems of out-of-towners talking about this area is that they can over-generalise on the basis of one of their infrequent visits. The housing estate directly in front of the cathedral - the one coming off St James Road, is not usually shrewn with litter and the houses aren't ticky-tacky. They are the kind of housing that you might find anywhere in the country. Unimaginative and low density. Most of the flats south of Gt George Street are either in the process of coming down or down already. Some will remain as will the bungalows and semis that are built to a high standard but look shit in their present context. The main area of litter is Nelson Street, and the main culprits are tourists or visitors from other parts of the city. Despite its potential, Nelson Street is one of the least appealing tourist streets - especially when the restaurants have their shutters down. Gt George Square is a traversty of what it once was. Under-utilised St James' Cemetery is a 5 minute walk away, for people who want a bit of greenery and there's a lot more there for people prepared to make the effort.

http://www.stjamescemetery.co.uk/

[City on The Water]

Originally Posted by Liverpool8

One of the problems of out-of-towners talking about this area is that they can over-generalise on the basis of one of their infrequent visits. The housing estate directly in front of the cathedral - the one coming off St James Road, is not usually shrewn with litter and the houses aren't ticky-tacky.

Last I was there it was strewn with litter and the architecture is lacking.

[Liverpool8]

Originally Posted by City on The Water

Last I was there it was strewn with litter and the architecture is lacking.

Maybe it was last time you saw it. It can look a bit rough when the grass hasn't been cut for a few weeks and one of the locals has had a party. Sometimes people dump sacks of rubbish there and the seagulls have a field day.

You're right though - the architecture is lacking but not particularly worse than housing estates (private or public) elsewhere.

[Liverpool8]

By Nick Coligan,
Liverpool Echo

EVERTON FC have been offered two sites in Liverpool for their new stadium. Council leaders have suggested locations in the north and south of the city.
One is close to the Mersey retail park in Speke, while the other is a brownfield site north of Goodison Park - but its exact position is a closely-guarded secret because it is commercially sensitive.

But the ECHO understands that an alternative proposal to move Everton to Kirkby is still the firm front-runner. Club officials have also not discounted the possibility of sharing a stadium with neighbours Liverpool FC if the Reds' plan to build a new ground on Stanley Park falls through.

A spokesman for Everton said the club was keeping all its options open and had still not decided if it would definitely leave its historic home at Goodison. Council leader Warren Bradley, an Everton season-ticket holder, is desperately keen to keep the Toffees inside the city boundaries. He said: "We have discussed two sites, whichwe have done some early analysis on and put forward to Everton's chief executive Keith Wyness. He has agreed to look at those suggestions, but the club is still talking with Knowsley council and has not made adecision one wayorthe other yet."

If Everton leaves Liverpool, the city would lose the prestige of being home to two top-flight football clubs and the massive financial benefits that tens of thousands of fans bring each matchday. But Liverpool council will have to go some way to equal the very attractive package put together by Knowsley.

continues: http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0...name_page.html

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Speke? Why not?