A new home for Everton

[Toadboy]

South Liverpool is red, Everton should never be allowed anywhere near the place.

The talk still seems to be be Kirkby and Tesco being the driver, land swap etc. going on so they get a new store in Walton and Kirkby while Everton get their ground?

[kung_fuzi]

[QUOTE=Liverpool8]By Nick Coligan,
Liverpool Echo

EVERTON FC have been offered two sites in Liverpool for their new stadium. Council leaders have suggested locations in the north and south of the city.
One is close to the Mersey retail park in Speke, while the other is a brownfield site north of Goodison Park - but its exact position is a closely-guarded secret because it is commercially sensitive.

But the ECHO understands that an alternative proposal to move Everton to Kirkby is still the firm front-runner. Club officials have also not discounted the possibility of sharing a stadium with neighbours Liverpool FC if the Reds' plan to build a new ground on Stanley Park falls through.

A spokesman for Everton said the club was keeping all its options open and had still not decided if it would definitely leave its historic home at Goodison. Council leader Warren Bradley, an Everton season-ticket holder, is desperately keen to keep the Toffees inside the city boundaries. He said: "We have discussed two sites, whichwe have done some early analysis on and put forward to Everton's chief executive Keith Wyness. He has agreed to look at those suggestions, but the club is still talking with Knowsley council and has not made adecision one wayorthe other yet."

If Everton leaves Liverpool, the city would lose the prestige of being home to two top-flight football clubs and the massive financial benefits that tens of thousands of fans bring each matchday. But Liverpool council will have to go some way to equal the very attractive package put together by Knowsley.

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Speke? Why not?[/QUOTE]


Or better still,absorb Knowsley.

[eyeam]

I'd rather go to Kirkby than South Liverpool

[Paul D]

Originally Posted by eyeam

I'd rather go to Kirkby than South Liverpool

Yes so would I but I'd prefer it if they stayed in North Liverpool.

[Scarecrow]

Walton Hall Park? Long Lane? Bank Hall? There are a few places in the north of the city that could support such a ground. If we agree to have a Tesco Metro/Local/Express under one of the stands, do you think they'd still finance it for us?

[City on The Water]

[QUOTE=kung_fuzi]

Originally Posted by Liverpool8

By Nick Coligan,
Liverpool Echo

EVERTON FC have been offered two sites in Liverpool for their new stadium. Council leaders have suggested locations in the north and south of the city.
One is close to the Mersey retail park in Speke, while the other is a brownfield site north of Goodison Park - but its exact position is a closely-guarded secret because it is commercially sensitive.

But the ECHO understands that an alternative proposal to move Everton to Kirkby is still the firm front-runner. Club officials have also not discounted the possibility of sharing a stadium with neighbours Liverpool FC if the Reds' plan to build a new ground on Stanley Park falls through.

There isn't much of Liverpool north of Goodison Park. Rumours from one man I know in the club says all feedback is for Kirkby. Well they have done this for 10 years now, so what is new? The Speke site is good. Remember EFC have the training ground in Halewood, not far from Speke.

[JUXTAPOL]

They seem to be saying Kirkby is the front runner, but maybe this is a diversion to keep the real site secret, or as a barganing chip between rival councils. The front runner is usually the one that isn't chosen in the end.

[Dello]

Originally Posted by Toadboy

South Liverpool is red, Everton should never be allowed anywhere near the place.

The talk still seems to be be Kirkby and Tesco being the driver, land swap etc. going on so they get a new store in Walton and Kirkby while Everton get their ground?

As a South Liverpool resident, my experience is that it is 50/50.

I don't know what you base your data on?

[Toadboy]

My experience.

[The Childwall Kid]

Originally Posted by Toadboy

My experience.

My arse !

[Scarecrow]

Toadboy has experienced 'your arse'?

I feel sorry for the Toad on this one. Poor fella has mistaken the hoardes of Irish/Norwegian Kopites traipsing to and from the airport (in the south of the city) as locals. It's easily done, so lay off, eh lads?

[The Game Is Up]

http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_...969915,00.html

Plans to move Everton out of Liverpool get frosty welcome

Dominic Fifield
Tuesday December 12, 2006
The Guardian

Everton's announcement that they are to explore the possibility of moving to a new stadium in nearby Kirkby met a distinctly hostile response last night from shareholders, concerned at the prospect of leaving the city of Liverpool, at their annual general meeting.

The club have signed an exclusivity agreement with Tesco and Knowsley council confirming they will explore the potential site in Kirkby, four miles from their home of 114 years at Goodison Park, for a new 50,000-seater arena. The deal was outlined at the AGM and, should it ultimately come to fruition, would allow Everton to share costs for the construction with the supermarket chain, whose chief executive Sir Terry Leahy supports Everton, and the local council.

The agreement means that no other sites for a new arena will be considered for the next four to five months but it prompted a furious reaction from some fans last night. One shareholder said the move outside the city would be "a disaster" and "a long-term error". "It would represent the start of the erosion of our fan-base," said another. "It is the equivalent of us hoisting the white flag to Liverpool that they can 'have the city'."

That drew a round of applause and, in a subsequent show of hands, more shareholders indicated they would be against the move than for it. "I don't want to be the guy who takes Everton away from Goodison Park, just as I didn't want to be guy who sold Wayne Rooney," said the chairman, Bill Kenwright. "I'd stay here forever, personally, but it's not an option financially for the future of this football club. All we've done, though, is signed an exclusivity agreement with various stopping points. It's not a done deal."

"The exclusivity will allow us to examine the feasibility of the site in the Kirkby area," said the chief executive, Keith Wyness. "It means we will not discuss other sites with any other parties. There are many things that still need to be discussed but we believe there's merit in this scheme to examine it further. We'll see if it's possible."

Kenwright confirmed the club's supporters would be consulted over a potential move, with the board insistent there are no sites currently within the city limits which would be financially viable. Everton had drawn up three options - to build a new stand-alone stadium, to redevelop their existing home or to move into a shared ground with Liverpool - though it effectively took confirmation that their city rivals are closing in on a £450m takeover with Dubai International Capital to prompt this decision.

The Liverpool chief executive, Rick Parry, has long said a groundshare was not an option and DIC share that view, with Everton unconvinced Goodison can be rebuilt in a cost effective way. That has left them pursuing a new arena. A potential site at the King's Dock, on the city's waterfront, fell through three years ago after costs proved prohibitive. The appeal of the Kirkby option hinges on it serving to regenerate the area concerned, involving the building of a supermarket and other community and retail facilities.

The board announced a £10m loss for 2005-06 at the meeting, 12 months after posting a £23m profit, with the slump due principally to the team falling from fourth to 11th in the Premiership table in that time. Kenwright was heartened that the club recorded its second highest turnover ever of £58.1m, though the chairman has warned that the proportion of that turnover spent on players' wages - which rose from 51% to 64% - is "not sustainable if it continues to rise much further."

Is this already D.O.A. after a few hours? What happens next?


ETA: Sorry. I didn't know there was another thread on this subject.

[paulmac35]

the answer is simple. scrap Knowsley Borough right now. it is one of the 2 most artificial boroughs in the country anyway (the other being Sefton!). Liverpool should be enlarged to take up all of Knowsley except Cronton (which should be ceded to Widnes in Halton) and all of Sefton except Southport which should become a unitary authority or be incorporated within the rest of West Lancs Borough (both within the forthcoming Liverpool City region).

[The Game Is Up]

http://sport.independent.co.uk/footb...cle2070121.ece

Kenwright insists that relocation is 'only option' for Everton

By Andy Hunter
Published: 13 December 2006

Bill Kenwright has vowed to consider the protests against Everton's possible departure from Liverpool but insists an emotional farewell to Goodison Park is necessary if the club are to ever regain their status among the English elite.

Confirmation of Everton's intention to relocate to a new 50,000-seater stadium in Kirkby prompted a hostile response at the club's 127th AGM on Monday, with chairman Kenwright and the Goodison board accused of handing the keys of the city to rivals Liverpool if they proceed with the proposed link-up with the supermarket giant Tesco and Knowsley Council.

Though sensitive to the concerns which, as a fierce Evertonian himself, Kenwright also shares, the theatre impresario is adamant that the brutal economics of life in the Premiership - the club posted a pre-tax loss of £10.8m in the last financial year - dictate that a 114-year residence in Liverpool 4 should come to an end.

"We've been very mindful of what we heard at the AGM," said Kenwright last night. "But I speak to other chairmen and every stadium move has something similar. Arsenal had the same. So did Sunderland. I have been coming to this ground for more than 50 years. Do I love this ground? Of course I do. Do I feel a responsibility for the grandchildren of Evertonians? Absolutely yes. But do I think that responsibility can be fulfilled here? Absolutely no. That is the bottom line.

"We have got this football club to a £60m turnover. [chief executive] Keith Wyness had a three-year plan and he has got us there very early. But we've now got to get it towards £70m-£80m and we can't do that here. We've run out of options."

Everton have considered redeveloping Goodison and a ground share with Liverpool, only for those options to disappear as a result of cost and their rival's impending takeover by Dubai International Capital respectively. Instead, they have signed an exclusivity deal with Knowsley Council to explore the merits of the Kirkby site at the expense of any other within the city boundaries.

Kenwright added: "You have an emotive question - shall we go to Kirkby? The biggest show of hands was those who kept their hands down. They just don't know."

[Levelup]

Originally Posted by paulmac35

the answer is simple. scrap Knowsley Borough right now. it is one of the 2 most artificial boroughs in the country anyway (the other being Sefton!). Liverpool should be enlarged to take up all of Knowsley except Cronton (which should be ceded to Widnes in Halton) and all of Sefton except Southport which should become a unitary authority or be incorporated within the rest of West Lancs Borough (both within the forthcoming Liverpool City region).

Many will have heard the rumour/myth that Adolf Hitler spent some of his youth in Liverpool. With this theme in mind maybe we could borrow Mr Bimmler and Mr Bon Riventrop from the monty pythons sketch. They could help us build Stukas and we could bomb Knowsley into submission.. Zen ve could turn our attention to the communists to the south of us in Halton unt annexe all of Runcorn/Widnes.
Ze caplitalist pigdogs of the easten front of Varrington vould zen be easy prey and vould capitualte to our supreme motherland forces of ze Greater Liverpool people and we could enforce our National Boscialism and get ze bloody stadium built by ze river as GOD intended...Mua ha ha ha ha ha

[bluesnapper]

Email address for us to get answers from;

warren.bradley@liverpool.gov.uk

[Seka]

Just read through you proposal, whilst I think it's always good for local people to put forwards ideas for the city (after all it's those who live there), I do see a couple of problems.

1. Sefton park. Liverpool has a large central park already. If you look at the majority of city parks, they're not actually central to the shopping/business districts. Hyde, Regents, Central park are all off center, about 1-2 miles from the main shopping areas of town. Whilst the area you have selected is largely split between residential and warehousing (and small businesses) it's a little too close to town and would maybe be better used to stretch Liverpools retal zone to double it's size (Manchester, London have shopping areas over a mile square, Liverpools if less than half that).

2. Looking at your plan, you want to remove China town? Surely this should be one of Liverpool's first point of development, the oldest and second largest China Town inthe World (NYs is bigger) as well as part of the ropewalks. This simply will/can never happen.

[paulmac35]

Originally Posted by Levelup

Many will have heard the rumour/myth that Adolf Hitler spent some of his youth in Liverpool. With this theme in mind maybe we could borrow Mr Bimmler and Mr Bon Riventrop from the monty pythons sketch. They could help us build Stukas and we could bomb Knowsley into submission.. Zen ve could turn our attention to the communists to the south of us in Halton unt annexe all of Runcorn/Widnes.
Ze caplitalist pigdogs of the easten front of Varrington vould zen be easy prey and vould capitualte to our supreme motherland forces of ze Greater Liverpool people and we could enforce our National Boscialism and get ze bloody stadium built by ze river as GOD intended...Mua ha ha ha ha ha

No dude its not lebusraum (however you say it!), its just unifying all Liverpool's suburbs under the one authority. Simple. Logical. Cival pride and all that. Bringing us in line with all the other big English cities except Manchester which is even more balkanised than we are (just being overly dramatic).

By the way it wasn't a rumour with the Austrian Corporal staying in Upper Stanhope Street, it was fact. Well it sure looked beliveable when i seen a documentary of it on the History Channel a while back.

[tommygunn]

St Helens home of the Saints and the Toffees

[Dello]

Originally Posted by tommygunn

St Helens home of the Saints and the Toffees

Since when is Kirkby St Helens?