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Old June 22nd, 2006, 03:26 PM   #21
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Most of this forums post questions that always repeat themselves we had a thread like this 2 days ago. It was said that there is no question:

London Heathrow has more international passenger traffic

Why! you ask because Europe is roughly bigger than Texas! all Eurozone countries whih NOw! they are not suposed to have borders all arrivals and departure to Europe which is roughly 50% of Heathrow traffic is consider international

Now the U.S

#1 Hartsfield, Atlanta Busiest Airport by passenger volume

#1 Chicago Ohare Worlds Busiest airport traffic airport

#1 Memphis tenesse world busiest cargo traffic airport

#1 American Airlines worlds largest fleet

#1 delta Airline worlds busiest airline

#1 Faa worlds biggest and most important aviationadministrator in the world!

#1 New York city with most international airplane arrivales in the world
NYC has 3 large international gateways and 10 regional airports that received millions of international passengers

London have several international airports but only you can compare Heathrow and maybe Gatwick to the size and traffic of NYC airports


Allof this data is avialable.

www.wikipedia.org/ airports

www.airlines.net

www.answers.com

www.faa.gov.usa

When are you going to stop comparing your small little world tothe U.S!
Yours is the smaller world.


1) London has 5 international airports handling 135 million pax pa. That is far ahead of New York's combined total (~100 million) or indeed any other city in the world.

2) New York does NOT have more international flight arrivals than London. It has nowhere near as many. Other European cities will also be far ahead of New York for international flights.

3) The EU has a much larger population than the US and a larger economy by both nominal and PPP measures of GDP. Europe (the continent) also has a larger population and economy than North America.

4) Europe is much closer to the other continents than North America. There are virtually no non-stop flights from Africa to the US. There are very few from South Asia and none from Central Asia whatsoever. Even West Coast US cities offer fewer fligths and destinations in E/SE Asia than do western European cities which are a comparable distance. East coast US cities are even further from being in contention to any part of Asia (most of the world's population lives in some part of Asia).

5) The largest airlines and airports of international traffic are all in Europe - by far!

6) British Airways is the largest long-haul airline in the world (or Air France/KLM if it is counted as a single airline). Lufthansa is close behind and all of these are well ahead of any US airline for long-haul traffic.
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Old June 22nd, 2006, 03:49 PM   #22
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Old June 22nd, 2006, 05:02 PM   #23
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Lisbon has also lots of flights to Africa and South America. Of course, it's very far from London or Paris.
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Old June 22nd, 2006, 05:22 PM   #24
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Doesnt India's Jet Airways fly to LHR now?

So thats two airlines from India.
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Old June 22nd, 2006, 05:30 PM   #25
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to answer the question:

no other airport in the world has more airlines or destinations than frankfurt international airport. the number of airlines is 109, the number of destinations is 304. source: wikipedia and frankfurt airport
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Old June 22nd, 2006, 05:44 PM   #26
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Doesnt India's Jet Airways fly to LHR now?

So thats two airlines from India.
I think they are starting very soon
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Old June 22nd, 2006, 05:47 PM   #27
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That doesn't answer the question at all. The question was concerning the number of countries that have airlines flying to a given airport. Not the overall number of airlines or total number of destination. Are you trying to say that those 109 airlines at Frankfurt all come from 109 different countries? That no two airlines out of that 109 are from the same country??

Air Sahara also flies to LHR I believe so that would make three but I purposely did not include each airline from each country. For example I only wrote two airlines next to the UK when obviously there are more.
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Old June 22nd, 2006, 06:22 PM   #28
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sorry, I had wrong information. there are in fact 129 airlines at the frankfurt airport! and the number of countries is 109 - 111 (depends on the source) ! lhr doesn't even come close...

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ok, here are the official numbers: the number of countries is 112

source: http://www.fraport.de/cms/[email protected]
(the frankfurt airport 2006 report)


and this only includes normal flights. there are an extra 50 charter airlines. I'm sure there are a few countries more to add to the 112, if you would include charters aswell...



heathrow only has 186 destinations, served by 90 airlines. it's only natural that frankfurt international serves more countries with over 300 destinations and significantly more airlines.

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Old June 22nd, 2006, 07:56 PM   #29
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^ Can you list the 112 countries offered from Frankfurt? I would be very interested to see. I suspect some of those countries are offered via connections with airlines using Frankfurt rather than non-stop. I think that's the case with a couple of the destinations on London's list as well.
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Old June 22nd, 2006, 08:18 PM   #30
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Made a similar list to the London one, for Copenhagen Intl. Airport (which serves more international passengers than any US airport, including the airports in New York, for boricuba's information). CPH also has one of the best European route networks in the world. The list only shows one airline per country. The countries that are only served by SAS (Japan, for example) are not in this list.

Austria (Austrian Airlines)
Belgium (SN Brussels Airlines)
Brazil (VARIG)
Bulgaria (Bulgaria Air)
China (Air China)
Czech Republic (CSA)
Denmark (SAS)
Estonia (Estonian Air)
Ethiopia (Ethiopian Airlines)
Faroe Islands (Atlantic Airways)
Finland (Finnair)
France (Air France)
Germany (Lufthansa)
Greenland (Air Greenland)
Hungary (Malev)
Iceland (Icelandair)
Iran (Iran Air)
Iraq (Falcon Air)
Ireland (Aer Lingus)
Israel (El Al)
Italy (Alitalia)
Latvia (AirBaltic)
Lebanon (MEA)
Lithuania (AirBaltic)
Luxemburg (Luxair)
Netherlands (KLM)
Norway (Norwegian)
Pakistan (PIA)
Poland (LOT)
Portugal (TAP)
Romania (Cimber Air)
Russia (Aeroflot)
Saudi Arabia (Saudi Arabian Airlines)
Singapore (Singapore Airlines)
Slovenia (Adria)
Spain (Iberia)
Sweden (FlyNordic)
Switzerland (Swiss)
Syria (SyrianAir)
Thailand (THAI)
Tunisia (Tunis Air)
Turkey (Turkish Airlines)
United Arab Emirates (Emirates)
United Kingdom (British Airways)
United States (Delta)
Yugoslavia (JAT)


CPH serves 132 destinations overall.
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Old June 22nd, 2006, 09:25 PM   #31
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what about Singapore, Bangkok, Hong kong? Where would they rank?
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Old June 23rd, 2006, 12:10 AM   #32
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^ Probably quite well. They will have loads of short haul connections around Asia and plenty to Europe and Australasia too. However, compared to the major European airports, they will relatively few non-stop flights to the US and far less to the Middle East and Africa. They will also have no non-stops to Latin America whatsoever owing to a combination of thin demand and sheer distance.
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Old June 23rd, 2006, 12:44 AM   #33
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Originally Posted by HD
to answer the question:

no other airport in the world has more airlines or destinations than frankfurt international airport. the number of airlines is 109, the number of destinations is 304. source: wikipedia and frankfurt airport
Slight difference between what you're saying and the question.

Some countries have many airlines flying to one specific destination.

For example, the US has Continental, American Airlines, US Airways, Delta, United Airlines and more. This just counts as 1.

A country like Kenya has just one airline flying to Heathrow: Kenya Airways. This counts as 1

Airliners from the host country (in Heathrow's case British Airways, Virgin Atlantic, BMI etc.) don't count.
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Old June 23rd, 2006, 12:51 AM   #34
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I would put my money on London Heathrow. According to the BAA Heathrow handles flights to 180 destinations in over 90 countries. However after looking through the BAA site and the various other websites I can only come up 82 nations so if any one in the know wants to fill out the rest then go ahead! I'm sure there are mistakes in there somewhere too if anyone wants to point them out. Also I purpose did not include every airlines from each country, usually just one or two examples. These are passenger airlines only and are only airlines that (as far as i can tell) fly into Heathrow with their own planes. No codeshares. No charter operators either. Only regular scheduled passenger services.

Tunisia (Tunis Air)
Turkey (Istanbul Airlines)
Turkmenistan (Turkmenistan)
United Arab Emirates (Emirates)
United Kingdom (British Airways, Virgin Atlantic, plus more...)
United States (American Airlines, United Airlines)
Uzbekistan (Uzbekistan Airways)
Yemen (Yemenia)
Yugoslavia (JAT)
wtf.. i think that list is outdated.
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Old June 23rd, 2006, 12:57 AM   #35
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I've made one for Madrid. I have included many airlines which, despite flying with a codeshare, have proper offices in the city and desks at the airport (ex. JAL). I have erased many private airlines, as well as many charter companies.


Aerolíneas Argentinas (Argentina)
Aer Lingus (Ireland)
Aero México (Mexico)
Aeroflot (Russia)
Air Algerie (Algeria)
Air France (France)
Air Malta (Malta)
Air Memphis (Egypt)
Air Senegal (Senegal)
Alitalia (Italy)
American Airlines (USA)
Austrian Airlines (Austria)
Avianca (Colombia)
British Airways (UK)
Bulgaria Air (Bulgaria)
Cathay Pacific (China)
CSA Czech Airlines (Czech Rep.)
Cubana Airlines (Cuba)
Egypt Air (Egypt)
El Al (Israel)
Finnair (Finland)
Icelandair (Iceland)
Japan Airlines (JAL)
KLM (Netherlands)
Lan Chile (Chile)
Lan Ecuador (Ecuador)
LOT-Polskie Linie Lotnicze (Poland)
Lufthansa (Germany)
Luxair (Luxembourg)
Lviv Airlines (Poland-not sure though anyone confirm this)
Malev Hungarian Airlines (Hungary)
Olympic Airlines (Greece)
Pluna (Uruguay)
Qatar Airways (Qatar)
Royal Air Maroc (Morocco)
Royal Jordanian Airlines (Jordan)
Santa Barbara Airlines (Venezuela)
SAS (Scandinavian Airlines System) (Sweden/Denmark)
SN Brussels Airlines (Belgium)
Sterling (Norway)
Swiss International Air Lines Ltd (Switzerland)
Syrian Arab Airlines (Syria)
TAP Air Portuga (Portugal)
Tarom (Romania)
Thai Airways (Thailand)
Tunisair (Tunisia)
Turkish Airlines (Turkey)
Ukraine International (Ukraine)
US Airways (USA)
Varig (Brazil-Just sttoped flights however, who knows if they'll ever fly again)

Last edited by MinstrOFsound; June 23rd, 2006 at 01:07 AM. Reason: Cutting down the no. of airlines. Hope it's ok.
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Old June 23rd, 2006, 01:04 AM   #36
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^ Now from that, list the individual countries named.
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Old June 23rd, 2006, 01:13 AM   #37
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Done! There are some missing unfortunately. This has been taken from AENA (Spanish Airport's Authority www.aena.es). However, there are certain companies which do fly to Madrid (not non-stop though) and have an office in the city but that do not appear on that web, ex: Iran Air. Might be more missing on that same status.
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Old June 23rd, 2006, 01:35 AM   #38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SE9
Slight difference between what you're saying and the question.

Some countries have many airlines flying to one specific destination.

For example, the US has Continental, American Airlines, US Airways, Delta, United Airlines and more. This just counts as 1.

A country like Kenya has just one airline flying to Heathrow: Kenya Airways. This counts as 1

Airliners from the host country (in Heathrow's case British Airways, Virgin Atlantic, BMI etc.) don't count.
That last point would cut out a lot of charter airlines operating out of Frankfurt. Frankfurt will generate a lot of demand for local charter flights but it's unlikely to be a destination for charter flights. Heathrow has virtually no charter traffic.
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Old June 23rd, 2006, 01:36 AM   #39
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I think they are starting very soon
No Jet have been flying to Heathrow for a good while already.
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Old June 23rd, 2006, 02:47 AM   #40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SE9
Slight difference between what you're saying and the question.

Some countries have many airlines flying to one specific destination.

For example, the US has Continental, American Airlines, US Airways, Delta, United Airlines and more. This just counts as 1.

A country like Kenya has just one airline flying to Heathrow: Kenya Airways. This counts as 1

Airliners from the host country (in Heathrow's case British Airways, Virgin Atlantic, BMI etc.) don't count.

you obviously didn't read my second reply (see post #28). it doesn't really matter how many airlines or destinations. what counts that in the end there are flights to 112 different countries (of course the US for example only counts as 1 country, even if there are many airlines flying there from frankfurt)...and that's more than any other airport in the world.




edit: one more important thing: the numbers I gave only include scheduled flights. no charters are included!

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