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Old June 13th, 2007, 10:38 PM   #61
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Here in Paris they are supposed to use those "tram" for the future extensions. They plan to build at least 3 new routes (Epinay-Villetaneuse, Chatillon-Vélizy and Boulogne-Meudon). I hope the problems there are in Padua, Nancy and Caen will help us to not make this stupid choice.
Whats the point in them anyway? The tram takes up as much space as the tracks would so it can't be a problem with space... Is it cost? Surely a rail would be a very cheap part of a tramway system compared to pantographs trains etc.
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Old June 13th, 2007, 11:10 PM   #62
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I still dont get what the advantage of the system compared to a conventional tram should be?
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Old June 14th, 2007, 07:51 AM   #63
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it's cheaper and... well it's cheaper.

but what I dont understand is, what the heck is the point of this? We use trams because their trucks can carry more people than the suspension on a bus would. The guide rail system runs like a bus, only that it's restricted to where it can go. So there is no increase in capacity when compared to a double articulated bus, but there is a huge decrease in flexibility.

I don't understand why they couldn't have went for BRT instead.
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Old June 14th, 2007, 09:41 AM   #64
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those trams are "tripple articulated" if necessare. Thats impossilbe with busses.
One more advanteage of conventional tram is, that they have steel wheels and steel tracks, so they have a better riding comfort and less maintenance costs than rubber tire on concrete, like the one above...
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Old June 14th, 2007, 03:31 PM   #65
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it's cheaper and... well it's cheaper.
It's supposed to be cheaper because you don't have to dig as deeper than for a classic tram to move the underground networks like power cables, phone lines, water pipes,.. But if you add the maintenance cost for concrete and tires, the cost for using plenty of buses all the times the system is out of order, I'm not sure it's cheaper anymore.

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I don't understand why they couldn't have went for BRT instead.
BRT can't be as narrow as a tram (rubber tires or not). Instead I would say I don't understand why they couldn't have went for a bus with a virtual rail (just a line painted on the ground) and a camera like the one in Rouen and Las Vegas. They seem to be quite reliable. I can't remember the name nor if it's made by Alstom or Bombardier.
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Old June 14th, 2007, 07:54 PM   #66
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Milwaukee was going to build one of these systems but the plan fell through becuse it cost almost as much as light rail and was considered unreliable.
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Old August 16th, 2007, 01:05 PM   #67
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New Subway Line for Tianjin

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Tianjin to build new subway line
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Old August 16th, 2007, 04:54 PM   #68
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great news go china
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Old August 18th, 2007, 01:49 PM   #69
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Here is the article. What is amazing here is that construction is said to be completed by 2009. While other cities dither and delay projects most Chinese cities just go ahead at a frenzied pace building new mass tranist lines. Of course many cities had little of no mass transit until recently so there is an element needing to catch up.


Tianjin to build new subway line
www.chinaview.cn 2007-08-16 14:13:17


TIANJIN, Aug. 16 (Xinhua) -- Tianjin Municipality, a major port city in north China, is to have a third subway line at a cost of 12 billion yuan (nearly 1.6 billion U.S. dollars), local authorities announced on Thursday.

The design and construction plan has been approved by the municipal construction committee and development and reform commission, a local government statement said.

The "Number 3" metro line will be 29.7 kilometers long, including 21.7 kilometers that runs underground and a flyover line that stretches 6.9 kilometers, and will have 23 stations.

The line will run from the southwest to the northeast of the city, connecting the two overland rail stations. It is expected to be completed in 2009.

Tianjin started building its first subway line in the 1970s, becoming the second Chinese city to have an underground rail link. The municipality plans to build nine subway lines, with a total length of 234.7 km, within 30 years.
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Old August 19th, 2007, 10:06 PM   #70
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Actually, this has been under construction for quite some time now, (at least 1+ year). I know, because the road outside my old apartment was completely torn up to make way for this. There are actually two lines under construction right now, (numbers 2 and 3), as well as an extension of the Binhai light rail line to bring it to downtown and the train station, (which is also being completely renovated/rebuilt). The downtown, (underground), part of the binhai light rail is being referred to as the number 9 line, I believe. So altogether, by 2009/2010, there should be 4 lines in Tianjin.

I don't know why they are reporting this as "news" right now, because it's been happening for quite a while. The only thing I can think of is that they just got "permission" from the central government to build the lines, even though they'd actually already started.
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Old September 22nd, 2008, 06:10 AM   #71
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Tianjin Metro

TIANJIN METRO:



Long range plans:



SYSTEM:

Tianjin (Tientsin, Tenshin, 9.3 million inhabitants) has always been an important inland harbour, situated 40 km from the Yellow Sea (Bohai Gulf) and 130 km from Beijing (Peking).

Subway

Tianjin was the second city in China to build an underground railway. Construction of the existing metro line started in 1970. It runs only 2-3 metres under the city's streets, partly using a driedout canal bed. There were only 1,000 full-time construction workers at that time; the others were volunteers from factories, schools and institutions all over the city. The average number of volunteer workers exceeded 2,000 a day. The construction was interrupted by the 1976 earthquake and was resumed and finished between 1979 and 1984. The line started at Xin Hua Road, and finished at the West Railway Station. The total length was 7.4 kilometres.

The Tianjin metro has 1435 mm gauge and it uses 825Vdc 3rd rail power supply. Most stations have side platforms.

The Tianjin metro closed on 9 Oct 2001 for reconstruction and extension. The extended line eventually opened in summer 2006. The northern section from Benxilu is above ground.



Binhai Line

The TEDA (Tianjin Economic Developing Area) industrial zone has been Tianjin's fastest developing area. But commuting between downtown and TEDA has become a serious problem. Although there were already 3 express highways and 1 railway between them, a mass transit line was still required. With a sum of 5.92 billion Yuan (USD 0.71 billion) that was invested by the new established company named Binhai Mass Transit Developing, the construction started in 2001. And it was finished in late October 2003. The LRT Binhai line is 45.4km long with 19 stations (when completed), runs from Zhongshanmen to Kongzhizhongxin (Control Centre). The design works of the urban section of the whole Binhai line project has been completed. Construction began in early 2004.

HISTORY:

10 Aug 1980 - Line 1 (5.2 km) Xinanjiao - Xinhua Road
Dec. 1984 - Xinanjiao - West Railway Station (2.2 km)
9 Oct 2001 - Line 1 closed for reconstruction and extension

12 Jun 2006 - Line 1 - Liuyuan - Shuanglin trial operation (26.2 km)

28 March 2004 - Binhai Line (trial operation)

All pics are of Line 1, which is within Tianjin City. Line 9 is a light rail line to Tanggu and Binhai New Area.

First 9 pics are by me:

Haiguangshi Station:







Subway car interior:



Exiting at Xiaobailou station:



Xiaobailou entrance/exit:











































Impressions:

Right now, it isn't very useful, and few people use it due to it having only one *real* line (line 9 is heavily used) and little coverage of the city, it doesn't usually go where you want to go, so most people using public transportation use the bus. Fares are from 2-5RMB, depending on distance, you have to use the subway plastic coin to enter/exit (the machine collects it and opens the fare gate when you deposit the coin and leave). It is still spotless after being open for two years, once the new lines open in 2009/2010, we'll probably see some more traffic, but right now, it is a nice, beautiful showcase .

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Old January 13th, 2010, 02:14 PM   #72
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This is a very good thread, thanks –

From www.urbanrail.net, I knew that Tianjin has one metro line i.e. Line 1, & Binhai line is the light rail line. But the same site informs that the extension of that line is under construction, which is Line 9.

So I think, line 1 is metro line & line 9 is light rail line. There is also a rubber tired tram line (translohr). Tianjin now has metro, light rail & tram. Is it true? Please clear my confusion.

*** When the construction of subway started, was the tram tracks (closed in 1972) was discovered under the road in the time of tunneling?

Please reply me as soon as possible.
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Old January 13th, 2010, 02:17 PM   #73
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This is a very good thread, thanks –

From www.urbanrail.net, I knew that Tianjin has one metro line i.e. Line 1, & Binhai line is the light rail line. But the same site informs that the extension of that line is under construction, which is Line 9.

So I think, line 1 is metro line & line 9 is light rail line. There is also a rubber tired tram line (translohr). Tianjin now has metro, light rail & tram. Is it true? Please clear my confusion.

*** When the construction of subway started, was the tram tracks (closed in 1972) was discovered under the road in the time of tunneling?

Please reply me as soon as possible.
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Old January 13th, 2010, 04:14 PM   #74
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This is a very good thread, thanks –

I Live in Kolkata (old name was Calcutta), and my city is running electric tram since 1902, which is Asia’s oldest operating electric tram, & metro since 1984, which is India’s first metro.

Tianjin (old name was Tienstin) has some similarities with Kolkata. Both cities has tram & metro. The main difference is that Kolkata is running electric tram continuously, struggling with periodical threats of closure, but Tianjin was closed its electric tram in 1972.

Thanks to transport authority. They at last returned tram in Tianjin in 2007, after long 35 years. The new rubber tired tram is no-doubt a proud of Asia. Long live Tianjin Tram.

Mainly for these reasons, I’m very much interested about Tianjin’s tram & metro. So I’ve some suggestions/requests/questions. Please answer me one by one -

1) This thread does not have any information about previously closed trams before 1972. Please add some information about the previous system, English links, photos etc.
2) Please publish a full prominent map of pre 1972 Tianjin tram at their full fledge indicating details about every closed routes.
3) Is there any remaining present of the previous tram system in Tianjin, which was closed in 1972?
4) Please include here a complete map of Tianjin’s present tramway network, with interchanges for subway.
5) Can anybody write which year previous system’s tram routes were opened & closed? Write routes year by year.
5) Is there any route planned? If yes, please write details.
6) Are there any common alignments between past & present tram network? If yes, write details.
7) Is there any official/unofficial English website of Tianjin’s present & past tram system?
8) When the construction of subway started, were the tram tracks (closed in 1972) discovered under the asphalt in the time of digging?


Please reply me as soon as possible.
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Old January 13th, 2010, 10:47 PM   #75
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You shouldn't visit www.urbanrail.net
That website is very outdated and clueless on China subways.
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Old January 17th, 2010, 01:41 PM   #76
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I’ve 2 questions –

Is the line 9 of Tianjin subway under construction, or it is opened?
Is it the extension of Binhai line, or separate?
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Recently, I found a very good link - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TEDA_Mo...ided_Rail_Tram

I'm repeating my questions & requests to my Chinese tram friends -
1) This thread does not have any information about previously closed trams before 1972. Please add some information about the previous system, English links, photos etc.
2) Please publish a full prominent map of pre 1972 Tianjin tram at their full fledge indicating details about every closed routes.
3) Is there any remaining present of the previous tram system in Tianjin, which was closed in 1972?
4) Please include here a complete map of Tianjin’s present tramway network, with interchanges for subway.
5) Can anybody write which year previous system’s tram routes were opened & closed? Write routes year by year.
5) Is there any route planned? If yes, please write details.
6) Are there any common alignments between past & present tram network? If yes, write details.
7) Is there any official/unofficial English website of Tianjin’s present & past tram system?
8) When the construction of subway started, were the tram tracks (closed in 1972) discovered under the asphalt in the time of digging?

Shanghai has opened 2nd Chinese (& Asian) rubber tired tramway system on 1st January 2010.
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Old January 17th, 2010, 05:05 PM   #78
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Try this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trams_in_Tianjin
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Old January 18th, 2010, 03:39 AM   #79
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Recently, I found a very good link - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TEDA_Mo...ided_Rail_Tram

I'm repeating my questions & requests to my Chinese tram friends -
1) This thread does not have any information about previously closed trams before 1972. Please add some information about the previous system, English links, photos etc.
2) Please publish a full prominent map of pre 1972 Tianjin tram at their full fledge indicating details about every closed routes.
3) Is there any remaining present of the previous tram system in Tianjin, which was closed in 1972?
4) Please include here a complete map of Tianjin’s present tramway network, with interchanges for subway.
5) Can anybody write which year previous system’s tram routes were opened & closed? Write routes year by year.
5) Is there any route planned? If yes, please write details.
6) Are there any common alignments between past & present tram network? If yes, write details.
7) Is there any official/unofficial English website of Tianjin’s present & past tram system?
8) When the construction of subway started, were the tram tracks (closed in 1972) discovered under the asphalt in the time of digging?

Shanghai has opened 2nd Chinese (& Asian) rubber tired tramway system on 1st January 2010.
3) no
6) no
8) no
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Line 9 is the extension of Binhai line. It is still under construction and expected to be opened in late 2010 or early 2011 together with line 2 and 3.
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