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Old January 23rd, 2005, 12:28 AM   #241
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A bigger map of Delhi metro.

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Old January 23rd, 2005, 06:56 PM   #243
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Which Metropolitan Area has the largest urban rail network?

Tokyo?
New York?
Paris?
London?
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Old January 24th, 2005, 10:03 PM   #244
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Good question! But I suppose that very difficult to answer:

Maybe this will can help you. I have the that information for UE:

METRO:

1. London: 408 km
2. Madrid: 226 km
3. Paris: 211,3 km
4. Berlin: 144 km
5. Valencia: 118 km
6. Stockholm: 108 km
7. Barcelona: 102 km
8. Wien: 61 km
9. Frankfurt: 58 km
10. Prage: 50 km

Out of the UE area:

NY: 398 km
Tokyo: 286,2 km
Moscow: 265 km
Chicago: 173 km
Washington: 164,5 km

COMMUTER RAIL IN UE:

1. Berlin: 3.107 km
2. Wien: 1.576 km
3. Frankfurt: 1500 km
4. Paris: 1401 km
5. London: 788 km
6. Zurich: 660 km
7. Prage: 639
8. Barcelona: 546 km
9. Madrid: 320 km
10. Manchester: 319 km

TRAMS/LRT IN UE:

1. Berlin: 303 km
2. Wien: 183 km
3. Prage: 137 km
4. Brussels: 133 km
5. Frankfurt: 125 km
6. Warszawa: 122 km
7. Helsinki: 90 km
8. Zurich: 69 km
9. London: 55 km
10. Stockholm: 27 km


So, in UE we can say that the first cities with the most "rail" transport system are:

Metro + Tram (Urban rail transport):

1. London: 463 km
2. Berlin: 447 km
3. Wien: 244 km
4. Paris: 231,3 km
5. Madrid: 226 km (no tram)
6. Prage: 187 km
7. Frankfurt: 183 km
8. Brussels: 168 km
9. Stockholm: 135 km
10. Valencia: 131 km


Rail Tranport: Urban and Suburban:

1. Berlin: 3554 km
2. Wien: 1820 km
3. Frankfurt: 1683 km
4. Paris: 1632 km
5. London: 1251 km
6. Prage: 826 km
7. Zurich: 729 km
8. Barcelona: 668,5 km
9. Madrid: 546 km
10. Manchester: 357 km


Well, maybe the km are quite wrong (some km up or down), but this is the list that I have.

I would like to have a very good list with all the networks in the world too (LRT, MRT and Commuter Rail).


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Old January 26th, 2005, 11:01 PM   #245
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I always thought that Toronto's extensive streetcar network should be on the subway/RT map, in the same way many other places include them. I always assumed they left them off because it would make the map too busy, but after seeing that Tokyo one...

So anyway, my homemade version:


In case youre wondering, this is what a Toronto streetcar looks like. Some however are twice as long, and bend in the middle for turns:

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Old January 28th, 2005, 09:58 AM   #246
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Hope that BKk Subway and Skytrain Network as well as the Airport Link Network will become something like this:

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Old January 28th, 2005, 11:02 AM   #247
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Fantastic stats, thanks, but just looking I noticed a couple of errors.

First the Berlin one is for Berlin and the whole of Brandenburg. I'm not sure of the metropolitan area around Berlin, it's still quite big, but not that big.

2nd, the London one (788km) is for just the city proper, not the metro area. The full metropolitan area surrounding London is 4642 route km, the 2nd largest in the world after Tokyo.

I have provided some stats here: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=65822

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Originally Posted by SpastiK
Good question! But I suppose that very difficult to answer:

Maybe this will can help you. I have the that information for UE:

METRO:

1. London: 408 km
2. Madrid: 226 km
3. Paris: 211,3 km
4. Berlin: 144 km
5. Valencia: 118 km
6. Stockholm: 108 km
7. Barcelona: 102 km
8. Wien: 61 km
9. Frankfurt: 58 km
10. Prage: 50 km

Out of the UE area:

NY: 398 km
Tokyo: 286,2 km
Moscow: 265 km
Chicago: 173 km
Washington: 164,5 km

COMMUTER RAIL IN UE:

1. Berlin: 3.107 km
2. Wien: 1.576 km
3. Frankfurt: 1500 km
4. Paris: 1401 km
5. London: 788 km
6. Zurich: 660 km
7. Prage: 639
8. Barcelona: 546 km
9. Madrid: 320 km
10. Manchester: 319 km

TRAMS/LRT IN UE:

1. Berlin: 303 km
2. Wien: 183 km
3. Prage: 137 km
4. Brussels: 133 km
5. Frankfurt: 125 km
6. Warszawa: 122 km
7. Helsinki: 90 km
8. Zurich: 69 km
9. London: 55 km
10. Stockholm: 27 km


So, in UE we can say that the first cities with the most "rail" transport system are:

Metro + Tram (Urban rail transport):

1. London: 463 km
2. Berlin: 447 km
3. Wien: 244 km
4. Paris: 231,3 km
5. Madrid: 226 km (no tram)
6. Prage: 187 km
7. Frankfurt: 183 km
8. Brussels: 168 km
9. Stockholm: 135 km
10. Valencia: 131 km


Rail Tranport: Urban and Suburban:

1. Berlin: 3554 km
2. Wien: 1820 km
3. Frankfurt: 1683 km
4. Paris: 1632 km
5. London: 1251 km
6. Prage: 826 km
7. Zurich: 729 km
8. Barcelona: 668,5 km
9. Madrid: 546 km
10. Manchester: 357 km


Well, maybe the km are quite wrong (some km up or down), but this is the list that I have.

I would like to have a very good list with all the networks in the world too (LRT, MRT and Commuter Rail).


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Old January 30th, 2005, 11:39 AM   #248
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SpastiK,

Your info is great but understandably eurocentric. What about Tokyo, Osaka and NY?

For example, Melbourne has the 3rd largest tram network in the world of some. As quoted from a Victorian govt. Public Transport History webpage;

"Melbourne now has the third largest tramway network in the world and the largest outside Europe, with approximately 480 vehicles in service on 29 routes covering 245 kilometres of double track."

<http://www.doi.vic.gov.au/doi/internet/transport.nsf/allDocs/RWPE06934B7A6094C844A256AFD001C4975?OpenDocument>

This would place it 2nd on your Tram/LRT list after Berlin.

The urban train network is some 371 kms long.

Again from the same site; "It radiates from the central city on 17 routes. The network consists of 371 route kilometres servicing 209 stations.

Although, there has been little expansion of both networks in the last 20 years it is fortunate that Melbourne retained the tram netwrok unlike most other Australian cities. As for urban rail in Australia it has mostly been neglected but Perth and Sydney are gradually expanding their networks.

Thanks for the european info though.
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Old January 30th, 2005, 07:35 PM   #249
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SpastiK,

Your info is great but understandably eurocentric. What about Tokyo, Osaka and NY?

For example, Melbourne has the 3rd largest tram network in the world of some. As quoted from a Victorian govt. Public Transport History webpage;

"Melbourne now has the third largest tramway network in the world and the largest outside Europe, with approximately 480 vehicles in service on 29 routes covering 245 kilometres of double track."

<http://www.doi.vic.gov.au/doi/internet/transport.nsf/allDocs/RWPE06934B7A6094C844A256AFD001C4975?OpenDocument>

This would place it 2nd on your Tram/LRT list after Berlin.

The urban train network is some 371 kms long.

Again from the same site; "It radiates from the central city on 17 routes. The network consists of 371 route kilometres servicing 209 stations.

Although, there has been little expansion of both networks in the last 20 years it is fortunate that Melbourne retained the tram netwrok unlike most other Australian cities. As for urban rail in Australia it has mostly been neglected but Perth and Sydney are gradually expanding their networks.

Thanks for the european info though.
Quite true about the trams, and Melbourne has quite an impressive and long one.

Another thing has to me mentioned. In Europe, a metropolitan area may have more than one tram network, and these are usually counted seperately. For example, in Frankfurt's Main/Rhein metro, there are three tram networks, seperate, but connected together by the suburban S-bahn trains. It's a bit like if Sydney had a network, Paramatta had a network etc.

So, Melbourne is 3rd or so on the list (it fluctuates with many cities as I believe Vienna has an almost identical sized network, and both are enlarging - one leading over the other at different times.) using the "single" networks (although aren't Melbourne's trams still seperated into two different company's), but is about 6th or 7th on the list when using "metropolitan combined" networks.
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Old February 1st, 2005, 08:31 AM   #250
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Justme,

Yes, you are of course right that the definition of an urban/suburan/metropolitan area bears much on the result. Along with Frankfurt, you mentioned Berlin/Bradenburg previously. I think most Sydney siders would consider Parramatta part of Sydney. I am not really concerned if MElb is 3rd, 6th or 10th largest. I just wanted to remind people that there are, (a few), large tram/LRT networks outside Europe, (HK & Singapore also, small but expanding).

yes, the Melbourne public transport, train and tram network was privatised about 8 years ago but the network remains overseen by a govt. agency. One of the tram operators withdrew so it has reverted back to govt. operators.
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Yes, you are of course right that the definition of an urban/suburan/metropolitan area bears much on the result. Along with Frankfurt, you mentioned Berlin/Bradenburg previously. I think most Sydney siders would consider Parramatta part of Sydney. I am not really concerned if MElb is 3rd, 6th or 10th largest. I just wanted to remind people that there are, (a few), large tram/LRT networks outside Europe, (HK & Singapore also, small but expanding).

yes, the Melbourne public transport, train and tram network was privatised about 8 years ago but the network remains overseen by a govt. agency. One of the tram operators withdrew so it has reverted back to govt. operators.
Not a problem, Melbourne has a fantastic network. Actually, my point about the splitting of some European tram networks within a metro, was not to drop Melbourne down the list, but just bring to light yet another difference in how different parts of the world calculate things. I also find these differences both a blight yet somehow interesting.
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Old February 1st, 2005, 12:28 PM   #252
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Well, this is the planned Belgrade metro map.
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Old February 1st, 2005, 11:58 PM   #253
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where is seoul though?? seoul's subway system is the 4th largest
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Yes , let's not forget Seoul.

Getting back to my original point about non-euro systems, perhaps Spastik, Justme or someone could post a comprehensive world-wide list (or at least the largest 20 odd systems).?

I have looked a bit but cannot find one......
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Old February 4th, 2005, 02:30 AM   #255
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Quote:
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METRO:

1. London: 408 km
2. Madrid: 226 km
3. Paris: 211,3 km
4. Berlin: 144 km
5. Valencia: 118 km
6. Stockholm: 108 km
7. Barcelona: 102 km
8. Wien: 61 km
9. Frankfurt: 58 km
10. Prage: 50 km

COMMUTER RAIL IN UE:

1. Berlin: 3.107 km
2. Wien: 1.576 km
3. Frankfurt: 1500 km
4. Paris: 1401 km
5. London: 788 km
6. Zurich: 660 km
7. Prage: 639
8. Barcelona: 546 km
9. Madrid: 320 km
10. Manchester: 319 km

TRAMS/LRT IN UE:

1. Berlin: 303 km
2. Wien: 183 km
3. Prage: 137 km
4. Brussels: 133 km
5. Frankfurt: 125 km
6. Warszawa: 122 km
7. Helsinki: 90 km
8. Zurich: 69 km
9. London: 55 km
10. Stockholm: 27 km


So, in UE we can say that the first cities with the most "rail" transport system are:

Metro + Tram (Urban rail transport):

1. London: 463 km
2. Berlin: 447 km
3. Wien: 244 km
4. Paris: 231,3 km
5. Madrid: 226 km (no tram)
6. Prage: 187 km
7. Frankfurt: 183 km
8. Brussels: 168 km
9. Stockholm: 135 km
10. Valencia: 131 km


Rail Tranport: Urban and Suburban:

1. Berlin: 3554 km
2. Wien: 1820 km
3. Frankfurt: 1683 km
4. Paris: 1632 km
5. London: 1251 km
6. Prage: 826 km
7. Zurich: 729 km
8. Barcelona: 668,5 km
9. Madrid: 546 km
10. Manchester: 357 km
Thanks for having forget some Italian cities
Btw I have posted as well Rome's Railways and Tramway network maps:

Btw this is an update for some Italian cities

METRO:
Milano 84.2km
Rome 36.6 km
Napoli 40km

COMMUTER RAIL IN UE:
Rome - 178 km Urban Rail + 322 Km (Commuting lines to hinterland area) = 470 km
Milan - 250km (Only in official metro area, not including full commuter region)


TRAMS/LRT IN UE:
Milano 287km
Napoli 23km
Roma 65.9km
Torino 123km

Metro + Tram (Urban rail transport):
Milan 371.2
Rome 280.5


Rail Tranport: Urban and Suburban:
Milan 621.2
Rome 541.9


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Following SpastiK's lists, here a more updated one:

METRO:

1. London: 408 km
2. Madrid: 226 km
3. Paris: 211,3 km
4. Berlin: 144 km
5. Valencia: 118 km
6. Stockholm: 108 km
7. Barcelona: 102 km
8. Milano 84.2km
9. Wien: 61 km
10. Frankfurt: 58 km



COMMUTER RAIL IN UE:

1. Berlin: 3.107 km
2. Wien: 1.576 km
3. Frankfurt: 1500 km
4. Paris: 1401 km
5. London: 788 km
6. Zurich: 660 km
7. Prage: 639
8. Barcelona: 546 km
9. Rome 322 km
10. Madrid: 320 km


TRAMS/LRT IN UE:

1. Berlin: 303 km
2. Milan 287km
3. Wien: 183 km
4. Prage: 137 km
5. Brussels: 133 km
6. Frankfurt: 125 km
7.Torino 123km
8. Warszawa: 122 km
9. Helsinki: 90 km
10. Zurich: 69 km


Metro + Tram (Urban rail transport):

1. London: 463 km
2. Berlin: 447 km
3. Milan 371.2
4. Wien: 244 km
5. Paris: 231,3 km
6. Madrid: 226 km (no tram)
7. Prage: 187 km
8. Frankfurt: 183 km
9.Torino 123km (tram only)
10. Brussels: 168 km

Rail Tranport: Urban and Suburban:

1. Berlin: 3554 km
2. Wien: 1820 km
3. Frankfurt: 1683 km
4. Paris: 1632 km
5. London: 1251 km
6. Prage: 826 km
7. Zurich: 729 km
8. Barcelona: 668,5 km
9. Milan 621.2
10. Madrid: 546 km
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Are you comparing urban areas/cities Vs metro areas?
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^I'm following the criterias adopted by other forumers to posts my data; so there are some data relative to the city only and others to the metro area, as it has been done for the other european cities.....
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Were are metro rail systems data of Moscow (more than 200 km) Hamburg (about 100 km) Saint Petersburg, Munich...?
I think they've a large enough metro net to be in the top 10 or something...

Certainly Valencia has not a 118 km long metro system: it is not my fault if Municipality itself calls "metro" 1 line of metro railway and 2 lines of tramways
I think the proper metro of Valencia is no more than 20/30 km long...
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