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Old October 20th, 2006, 05:00 PM   #721
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Daniel_Portugal, here we go again. Porto system is a tram, not a metro, not matter how call it. It is so hard to understand?
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Old October 20th, 2006, 07:17 PM   #722
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I think urbanrail.net is basically the main site when it comes to these things, and their definition is:

1) An urban electric mass rail transport system, i.e. it is primarily used to move within the city > Porto is that.
2) Totally independent from other traffic, rail or street traffic > Porto isn't that. I know there are other systems that aren't completely seperated from other rail traffic, such as London, but in Porto's case it's street traffic.
3) High frequency service (maximum interval approx. 10 minutes during normal daytime service) > I don't know about that.
4) Obviously a metro does not have to be underground (this is why I prefer this term to 'subway' or 'underground' or 'U-Bahn' as all these terms imply a tunnel), it can also be elevated or at grade. > Porto isn't this either. The way the trams just have their own lane in Porto's traffic is very much one of the characteristics of lightrail systems.

Now if you look at the definition of "lightrail", from Wikipedia:

"Light rail or light rapid transit (LRT) is a form of urban rail transit that typically uses less massive equipment and infrastructure than rapid transit systems, with modern light rail vehicles usually running along the system." > That's Porto, modern light rail verhicles.

And lightrail systems can also run underground, can also be seperated from other traffic etc. etc. That does not make it less of a lightrail system.

What is the problem? There is NOTHING WRONG with a lightrail system as long as it does what it needs to do, move people from A to B efficiently.

PS: Subway isn't an American term originally, but was first used for the Glasgow system.

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Old October 21st, 2006, 04:24 AM   #723
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no matter what you say.

porto transport in rails(call what you want ) is:

very fast - can go at 100kmph

high capacity of ppl - can transport +- 800ppl in only one transport

high frequency - every 2 minutes a new metro comes

very comfortable

very silent - you can have a conversation with someone inside of it without a noisy background sound

excellent design

mostly, and when i say mostly is MOSTLY 100% dedicated lines without any cross transit. in a system with 60km there are less than 10 cross transits.

great lines extenstion - we have 60km and 69 stations for now, and we're planning a second phase so the system have 138 stations and 120km of lines a third phase is already talked..

after all this, and the photos above in post 65. there are any more things that need to be said to prove that this system.. is completely awesome. fast, efficient, comfortable, and so on.

ps: ahhhh, metro or not.. EVERYONE call it metro (and not only people from portugal... sometimes... i'm walking on streets, and a tourist comes to me and ask this question "Hi, i'm not from here, can you say me where's the metro entrance?"

please.. if you someday come to porto, dont ask anyone "where is Tram station entrance", probably the person who you ask you answer a "hum?"
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Old October 21st, 2006, 06:53 AM   #724
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I think urbanrail.net is basically the main site when it comes to these things, and their definition is:

1) An urban electric mass rail transport system, i.e. it is primarily used to move within the city > Porto is that.
2) Totally independent from other traffic, rail or street traffic > Porto isn't that. I know there are other systems that aren't completely seperated from other rail traffic, such as London, but in Porto's case it's street traffic.
3) High frequency service (maximum interval approx. 10 minutes during normal daytime service) > I don't know about that.
4) Obviously a metro does not have to be underground (this is why I prefer this term to 'subway' or 'underground' or 'U-Bahn' as all these terms imply a tunnel), it can also be elevated or at grade. > Porto isn't this either. The way the trams just have their own lane in Porto's traffic is very much one of the characteristics of lightrail systems.

Now if you look at the definition of "lightrail", from Wikipedia:

"Light rail or light rapid transit (LRT) is a form of urban rail transit that typically uses less massive equipment and infrastructure than rapid transit systems, with modern light rail vehicles usually running along the system." > That's Porto, modern light rail verhicles.

And lightrail systems can also run underground, can also be seperated from other traffic etc. etc. That does not make it less of a lightrail system.

What is the problem? There is NOTHING WRONG with a lightrail system as long as it does what it needs to do, move people from A to B efficiently.

PS: Subway isn't an American term originally, but was first used for the Glasgow system.
Precisely. However, a couple of infantile forumers will continue to argue to their little faces turn purple for it to be something that it is not.
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Old October 21st, 2006, 07:22 AM   #725
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no matter what you say.

porto transport in rails(call what you want ) is:

very fast - can go at 100kmph

high capacity of ppl - can transport +- 800ppl in only one transport

high frequency - every 2 minutes a new metro comes

very comfortable

very silent - you can have a conversation with someone inside of it without a noisy background sound

excellent design

mostly, and when i say mostly is MOSTLY 100% dedicated lines without any cross transit. in a system with 60km there are less than 10 cross transits.

great lines extenstion - we have 60km and 69 stations for now, and we're planning a second phase so the system have 138 stations and 120km of lines a third phase is already talked..

after all this, and the photos above in post 65. there are any more things that need to be said to prove that this system.. is completely awesome. fast, efficient, comfortable, and so on.

ps: ahhhh, metro or not.. EVERYONE call it metro (and not only people from portugal... sometimes... i'm walking on streets, and a tourist comes to me and ask this question "Hi, i'm not from here, can you say me where's the metro entrance?"

please.. if you someday come to porto, dont ask anyone "where is Tram station entrance", probably the person who you ask you answer a "hum?"

Wow, now you make it sound pathetic. Why do you have to keep whining. Porto has an amazing system, its just not a metro. There's nothing wrong with not having a metro if the system you have does its job. Why are you acting so immature for?
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Old October 21st, 2006, 07:26 AM   #726
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I'm from Porto and i'm perfectly aware that it is a tram/light rail network with underground parts

The smart move was to call (wrongly) both the system and head organization 'Metro do Porto', from the beggining. Mostly because we don't have a common, everyday translation for 'tram' or 'light-rail', because people don't easily recognize these terms and, as a comparision, there was only in Portugal the real and complete subway system in Lisbon. 'Metro' established for good, even though it's partially wrong.

Anyway, one thing we all agree is that it's a great system with a huge and still growing public adhesion and has completely revolutionized Porto's transport system
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Old October 21st, 2006, 04:18 PM   #727
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the only thing we all agree is that system is awesome. and they need to ear this! they become mad with this! thats why coth is always remembering "porto dont have metro! porto dont have metro!" in fact... he thinks its an awesome system. big extension, beautiful bombardier transports, not noisy, comfortable, very fast (100kmph top speed), very efficient, very frequent (every 2 minutes). all these real things make this system soooooo great, independant its name. In fact you could call it "Manuel Maria Carrilho Transport System", and that name dont change the fact that you think the transport is great and very efficient in all the ways (you just dont want to say that)! i'm beeing really direct in my afirmations because i become fool when you try to descredebilize it only because envy! in four years we made 60km of lines. thousands of workers worked hard for four years in the most expensive project made in all europe in that four years. besides that, we also made a new airport terminal that was considered one of the best in the world, and so on. you just underrating our city, our prosperity.
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Old October 21st, 2006, 04:37 PM   #728
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Daniel_Portugal, i don't care if it's awesome or not. Can't you just understand that's it's a tram.
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Old October 21st, 2006, 05:31 PM   #729
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and you "beating" in that

you dont care if its awesome or not because its a tram.

and

I dont care if its a tram or not because its awesome (in many ways) (and THAT is the most important thing)

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Old October 21st, 2006, 06:10 PM   #730
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then if you don't care - please stop flaming this thread.
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Old October 21st, 2006, 06:29 PM   #731
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HAHAHAHAH LOOOOOOOOOL!!!!!!

you are the main "flamer".. its always you that begin with that story

(now thats me hein? ahahaha pleaseeeeeeee!!!!) i just put three maps.. you started the discussion (like in other thread, too).. you say that every thread possible and the funny is only for porto... not for cities with similar metros..
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Old October 21st, 2006, 07:15 PM   #732
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DP, you are only who flaming every metro thread with porto trams.
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Old October 21st, 2006, 08:56 PM   #733
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DP, you are only who flaming every metro thread with porto trams.
so what?
PORTO METRO is cute. is has to be posted often.
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Falubaz, read please last few pages and other metro threads. The fact that it's cute trams doesn't mean automatically that it should be posted often in metro threads.
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Old October 21st, 2006, 09:23 PM   #735
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i did read it, and the others threads, too and it's borring to me, u always have problem with that. it's partly metro and partly fast tram. the people in Porto want to call it METRO so why u don't let them do this. let it be. it's nothing wrong.
for me, if i would come to Porto and ride that system i would add it to my list of the metros i used. besides it's one of my 'freak-dreams' to ride it. it's cute, it's looking good, it's serving the city. what else does matter? the name of it? the way u call it? these are secondary things. let's forget the diskussion of metro and tram and let's post new maps.
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Old October 21st, 2006, 10:58 PM   #736
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The only solution for this "going nowhere" discussion is for someone to open a thread for "Tram/Light rail/Underground-mixed networks maps" so that Daniel and many other forumers can post maps as they please and coth's thread can be left "uncorrupted".
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Old October 22nd, 2006, 08:38 AM   #737
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i did read it, and the others threads, too and it's borring to me, u always have problem with that. it's partly metro and partly fast tram. the people in Porto want to call it METRO so why u don't let them do this. let it be. it's nothing wrong.
for me, if i would come to Porto and ride that system i would add it to my list of the metros i used. besides it's one of my 'freak-dreams' to ride it. it's cute, it's looking good, it's serving the city. what else does matter? the name of it? the way u call it? these are secondary things. let's forget the diskussion of metro and tram and let's post new maps.
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Old October 24th, 2006, 08:54 AM   #738
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not sure if this has been posted before, but this is the Tyne and Wear Metro map:



an impressive system considering it serves a smallish area (around 1.25m in the metro area i'd estimate).
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Old October 25th, 2006, 04:11 AM   #739
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i dunno how much is the area of this city, but 60 stations isn't that impressive! well. but the system seems very cool. serves the coastal line, the airport. have two bridges (and one underground tunnel under) over the rivers. many lines crossing the central station.. very cool
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Old October 26th, 2006, 07:58 AM   #740
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If this is a real underground system, 60 stations is good enough for a metro area of 1,25m ... at least imo.
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