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Old March 19th, 2009, 11:27 PM   #441
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^dubai isn't vienna. it's much more sprawled out, and would be traffic clogged with or without that road. as it stands now, PT wouldn't work for most of its inhabitants as the densities are too low.

again, it's just ONE road. for many reasons, climate, availability of land, speculative development, auto-dependency, present-day dubai will not adhere to the standards of most older european cities, but it's absurd to single out one high profile road in a thread about its PT system.
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Old March 19th, 2009, 11:30 PM   #442
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Maybe it helps when you read me initial comment about it. I think you overestimate my amount of criticism directed against Dubai.
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Old March 19th, 2009, 11:31 PM   #443
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i've read all your comments. it's just a damn road. you've written so many posts about it.
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Old March 19th, 2009, 11:38 PM   #444
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Sorry about that. Maybe I should give it an end and clarify it a bit:

I applaud Dubai for the decision to make large steps towards a substantial and hopefully efficient PT system.

I think the way how the largest highway leads to a core area of high rise development was not the best sort of zoning and planning, but now there is not much that can be done without taking a lot of money into ones hand. The best is probably now to try to halt the increase of car traffic with all the means one has with creating a PT system on the basis of how Dubai looks like.
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Old March 20th, 2009, 12:47 AM   #445
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Read my first post on the matter, There are reasons why the towers were build there and not elswhere in the city: One of the main ones is THE AIRPORT
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Old March 20th, 2009, 12:54 AM   #446
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Well but as far as I know in Manhattan for example the are largely banned to the periphery.

On a lighter note, I am lucky that Vienna is surprisingly little effected by highways in dense neighborhoods. Even if there are some examples they are pretty in the periphery.
1. The tower district where SZR passes is in periphery and is NOT a dense area. There are just a row of towers for god sake.

2. What makes Vienna's city-cutting highways pretty? The overpasses are just ugly bare concrete, while here everything is smoth and painted over, with imprints and decorations on them. There is no bare concrete to be seen.
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Old March 20th, 2009, 02:18 PM   #447
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1. The tower district where SZR passes is in periphery and is NOT a dense area. There are just a row of towers for god sake.
Well maybe you caught now a misconception on behalf of mine. I connected skyscrapers to high density. But then Dubai possibly promoted them for whatever reasons apart from density.

Well, maybe I am just not prepared for something like Dubai. I thought, those skyscrapers next to the SZR are just the first step and the vicinity would be developed at least in a medium to high density as well. But now that I think about it, that maybe was a misconception on my behalf.

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2. What makes Vienna's city-cutting highways pretty? The overpasses are just ugly bare concrete, while here everything is smoth and painted over, with imprints and decorations on them. There is no bare concrete to be seen.
The fact that there are so few of them and effectively none in the dense core parts of the city. I rest my case however regarding Dubai, as it really seems those Skyscrapers seem to be rahter than being part of a new urban quarter a sort of glass and concrete alley for the highway. The historical parts of Dubai seem to be pretty unaffected by highways etc, as far as I can guess it, but I never questioned that anyway.

The fact that the A23 is ugly is hell however (but only from Danube southwards), the only highway that is based on concrete viaducts for a long part, is undeniable of course, but it runs through a semi industrial area most of the time. The other highway which comes somewhat close is next to the Danube, in its central part its underground (around Donaucity) and in the other parts its on ground or on a slightly lower level than the rest.

I agree with you, that concrete can be nicer looking then here, but then stuff in Dubai is still rather new I guess. Wait a few decades how it looks then.
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Old March 20th, 2009, 03:32 PM   #448
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Looks really beautiful with great architecture. What can't good money buy? very tastefully desifned and seems very modern and efficient.
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Old March 20th, 2009, 05:13 PM   #449
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Anyway, Dubai has allot of problems in pedestrian-friendliness or public transportation solutions, but the SZR (that specific highway) is very low on the list.
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Old March 20th, 2009, 08:03 PM   #450
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From the urban planning point of view Dubai is one big ****up. And if it wasn't for all the money they put into ridiculous projects no one would give a damn about it anyways.
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Old March 20th, 2009, 09:06 PM   #451
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Old March 21st, 2009, 05:23 AM   #452
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Yeah, I'm sure someone will walk 40 km to his destination. You talk as if in your city you walk for miles everyday. You don't otherwise you'll not have a think for the public transport.
WHAT?!?!?! I don't understand the message you're trying to express.

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Oh, and you lost any "credibility" in your "arguments" the moment you had to bring up oil reserves.
I don't understand what you wrote before this, but I definitely don't understand what you mean by oil reserves. Care to explain yourself?

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And you like the others "know" the city only because of SSC
Well, we don't know the city as well as you do, but you are discussing this in an international forum therefore everyone has an opinion about Dubai, as long as they're not offensive. To us "outsiders", the SRZ is an eyesore. Get it? You already disagreed with us so there is no need to follow up on that tidbit. We like pedestrian infrastructure. We like bike infrastructure. We like public transportation. We're not very fond of a freeway cutting through the middle of a city.

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Old March 25th, 2009, 02:38 AM   #453
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Well maybe you caught now a misconception on behalf of mine. I connected skyscrapers to high density. But then Dubai possibly promoted them for whatever reasons apart from density.

Well, maybe I am just not prepared for something like Dubai. I thought, those skyscrapers next to the SZR are just the first step and the vicinity would be developed at least in a medium to high density as well. But now that I think about it, that maybe was a misconception on my behalf.
Nope you're right in your original thought. If you combine all the masterplans in the burj dubai area then that whole cluster would have had more than 1000 towers, dozens of supertalls, 5 towers over 500m, one higher than burj dubai, etc, if every single plot had been developed. Beyond insanity is the only description. However a lot will never be built.

These are the actual projects put together.

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All the supertalls



I think the problem is once the crazy development started there was no coherent plan for the whole city so while you had projects which were probably well planned by themselves they were just put in random locations (well maybe not quite but pretty much). Anyway there should have been a plan from the start.
A typical example is this. They said they wanted to build a blue line for the metro to accomodate new developments, but this was years after the developments were actually announced! Why wasn't this plan there before the developments? It's like this, the infrastructure is always catching up.

Anyway despite all of this I love this picture.
Look at the metro.

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Old March 25th, 2009, 02:45 AM   #454
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Old March 25th, 2009, 12:44 PM   #455
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Thanks for the explanation above. No doubt that this is an impressive picture. Judging from that picture, the metro line that goes right through should make sense after all, does it? I mean even if its just a single row of skrapers on both sides its still quite some density in pedestrian vicinity to the stations, is it?
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Old March 27th, 2009, 03:15 PM   #456
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i think dubai should have thought of making a metro 10 years ago and should have been online by around 2004 thats when it started getting busy there

it costs a fortune in a taxi to go to jumierah from city centre and if u want to go emirates mall or ibn bathutta its even worse

too many tourist end up spending alot of money in taxis which would otherwise be spent on shopping or other activities inside dubai

also a rail-link between abu dhabi and dubai would be good
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Old March 28th, 2009, 03:32 AM   #457
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Old March 28th, 2009, 08:10 AM   #458
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i think dubai should have thought of making a metro 10 years ago and should have been online by around 2004 thats when it started getting busy there
Easier said now isn't it. When the government started thinking of building a metro it was considered really early and luxury at that time. We didn't have anything close to what we are having now in terms of traffic jams.
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Old March 28th, 2009, 02:01 PM   #459
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From the urban planning point of view Dubai is one big ****up. And if it wasn't for all the money they put into ridiculous projects no one would give a damn about it anyways.
given you said that, i wonder what you will make off london
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Old March 29th, 2009, 03:04 AM   #460
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given you said that, i wonder what you will make off london
actually I love London, as it is a city that has grown in a natural way. how can you even compare desert disneyland with a city like London?
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