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Old June 1st, 2015, 05:26 PM   #841
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Not necessary. Buenos Aires & Istanbul - has different touristic & modern tram system, the later is for public transport. Dubai already has a great tram network, so this Double Decker should be retained as its old style where as wireless tram should be state of the art.
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Old June 1st, 2015, 10:55 PM   #842
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I don't know about Buenos Aires, but Istanbul is a legitimate hold-over from the original 19th-Century tram system. It is NOT newly built, and it DOES serve a modest transportation purpose (it runs in a line from point A to point B).

Dubai, on the other hand, is building something from scratch. Therefore, it should be paying attention to modern needs.
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Old June 2nd, 2015, 01:40 PM   #843
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Not original tram in Istanbul. All original pre 1966 trams were scrapped. The nostalgic trams you see in European & Asian Side of Istanbul all are replica tram, completely newly built body, but same as those old trams.
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Old June 3rd, 2015, 12:20 AM   #844
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No those Nostalgic ones are really old. They Found them in old depots and brought also some from Germany(old GDR Trolley from Jena). There is a Railway Museum with some in a Exhibition and some reserved to serve if needed (in Kadiköy).

And yes, most of the newer routes don't follow the old paths. Only the two Nostalgic ones follow a tiny stretch of the original route (a pitty, the old lines Covered a lot of the City).

But like everywhere they got replaced by Busses, Trolleybusses in the Sixties. A few years later the Asian side followed (1961 Europ. Side, 1966 Asian Side. in total 56 Lines stopped service). After 24 years the first nostalgic one get in Service between Taksim Square and Tunnel (Funicular, 2nd oldest Metro if counted as one).
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Old June 12th, 2015, 02:59 PM   #845
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RATP targets UAE transit through JV
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RATP Group subsidiary RATP Dev has signed an agreement with Zain Capital, which is part of the Lakhraim Business Group, to establish a joint venture that will target some of the United Arab Emirates' largest transport and urban planning projects

The joint venture will initially focus on a bid for Abu Dhabi and Al Ain's bus network operations contract while the group is also eyeing a bid for Abu Dhabi's upcoming metro and light rail projects which are being developed by the Abu Dhabi Department of Transport. RATP Dev is also in discussion with the Dubai's Roads and Transport Authority to enhance Dubai's bus network

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Old June 12th, 2015, 08:17 PM   #846
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Not necessary. Buenos Aires & Istanbul - has different touristic & modern tram system, the later is for public transport. Dubai already has a great tram network, so this Double Decker should be retained as its old style where as wireless tram should be state of the art.
The tramway of Buenos Aires (Tranvia del Este not Pre-Metro) are closed because the economic losses (Connected nothing with nothing ) and will be dismantled for the construction ribereña subway highway in 2016.
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Old June 12th, 2015, 08:49 PM   #847
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maybe he was talking about the Tren de la Costa.
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Old June 20th, 2015, 08:32 AM   #848
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The tramway of Buenos Aires (Tranvia del Este not Pre-Metro) are closed because the economic losses (Connected nothing with nothing ) and will be dismantled for the construction ribereña subway highway in 2016.
I know Tranvia Del Este has closed, but premetro is also a tram system, It is called pre-metro because it acts as a feeter service of metro line E.
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Old June 20th, 2015, 08:34 AM   #849
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After waiting long decades, at last metro is now opened in Salvador.

Dubai has 2.1 million population, so metro was a must need for this city. It has two routes –

Red line is longer, and mainly connects north & south
Green line is shorter, and a C chaped line.

Both line uses driverless metros. But here the question arrives. Why they choose such system? Although a major expences for driver and guard is continuously saving, but such rolling stocks are much costlier. It requers a very advenced technology, and 100% dependency upon computer. So if it will fail, the entire metro network will be standstill. In near past, it happened more than one time. We all know machine could not be 100% perfect.

I suggest, in case of future lines, standard man-driven rolling stocks should be introduced.

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Old June 20th, 2015, 05:13 PM   #850
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By the way, YouTube member Japan Train Viewing recently visited Dubai and produced these outstanding front and rear cab view videos:

Dubai Metro Red Line from Rashidiya to Jebel Ali (front view):



Dubai Tram from Dubai Marina to Al Sufouh (front view):



Dubai Palm Monorail from Atlantis-Adventure to Palm Gateway (rear view):



Dubai Metro Green Line from Etisalat to Creek (front view):

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Old June 21st, 2015, 07:13 AM   #851
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1) Left side, right side or both sides, - which type of platforms are in most numbers in Dubai subway network?
2) Which is the highest & deepest station of Dubai metro?
3) Which is the busiest metro station?
4) Where is/are the depot(s) of the subway network?
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Both line uses driverless metros. But here the question arrives. Why they choose such system? Although a major expences for driver and guard is continuously saving, but such rolling stocks are much costlier. It requers a very advenced technology, and 100% dependency upon computer. So if it will fail, the entire metro network will be standstill. In near past, it happened more than one time. We all know machine could not be 100% perfect.

I suggest, in case of future lines, standard man-driven rolling stocks should be introduced.
I don't know the thinking behind this particular case, but in principle the other reason besides saving on labour costs is that driverless metro's can achieve higher service frequencies safely than those with human drivers.
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Old June 21st, 2015, 04:18 PM   #853
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When everywhere in world we are saying about classless society, Dubai surpsingly maintains different classes in both metro & tram. Gold class for rich people and Siver class for ordinary people, but why? This is a very narrow mindedness. It is a pulic transport, and people who are rich, they will afford taxi, not metro or tram. Both these are for common people. Classification causes division in society. Infact my city Kolkata has already abolished classification on its tram, and no classification anywhere in metros of India.

I strictly oppose it, it is better to declassify, abandone the gold class, and there should be a simple single class. It is gentle.
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When everywhere in world we are saying about classless society, Dubai surpsingly maintains different classes in both metro & tram. Gold class for rich people and Siver class for ordinary people, but why? This is a very narrow mindedness. It is a pulic transport, and people who are rich, they will afford taxi, not metro or tram. Both these are for common people. Classification causes division in society. Infact my city Kolkata has already abolished classification on its tram, and no classification anywhere in metros of India. I strictly oppose it, it is better to declassify, abandone the gold class, and there should be a simple single class. It is gentle.
Dubai has separate carriages for women, same I can say about women-only carriages in Japanese metro systems (and only during peak times)
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The richer parts of the Middle East in not exactly a classless society. Surely you know that...

In metro's it is unusual and I think not found anywhere in Europe, but in trains two classes exist in most systems. As far as I know India has even more classes in their trains.
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Old June 21st, 2015, 08:35 PM   #856
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About trams

Allow me to say one big truth, new system, perfect rails, perfect trams but extremely slow system! It is completely segregated but the speed limit is 50 km/h which is attained only on several points. Mostly it runs only 30-40 km/h. While for example in Europe even in worth track conditions trams run a lot faster and on non even segregated tracks! Shame on Dubai new tram system which is quite slow boring and useless. Complete loss of potential which should have a modern tram system. They run very slow on switches and joints, why? this track parts are adopted for higher speeds, no need to slow down so much. Well Dubai headquarters, go in Europe see how trams run fast.
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Old June 22nd, 2015, 06:20 PM   #857
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The richer parts of the Middle East in not exactly a classless society. Surely you know that...

In metro's it is unusual and I think not found anywhere in Europe, but in trains two classes exist in most systems. As far as I know India has even more classes in their trains.
I spoke about tram & metro, these should be classless. Yes, in India, mainline trains has average 3 or 4 classes, but the suburban rail systems are again classless (although there are separate coaches for women & vendors).
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Old June 23rd, 2015, 09:53 AM   #858
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Transformation of Dubai transportation

Without a doubt, these luxurious, fast and impeccable Metros really helps out the Dubai people and solved their problems. They are cheap and almost accessible to every corner of the city.

I'd love to know, when the government extend this project to Sharjah. People are in deep pain who travel on daily basis from Sharjah to Dubai.
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Old June 23rd, 2015, 10:22 AM   #859
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I'm pretty happy the Dubai Metro isn't classless. Else I wouldn't have been able to get a seat on my journey to the airport (I was making a short stop in Dubai on the way to Geneva). Anyone with the need (like the elderly) and the means would certainly appreciate it as well.
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Designated special needs accommodations are perfectly fine. Premium service at extra fare is not generally the norm on Metro services.
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