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Old September 8th, 2006, 05:25 PM   #61
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Er it's a lot more than that

Hamilton (YHM) Summer 2007
Hamilton - Belfast
Hamilton - Birmingham
Hamilton - Doncaster/Sheffield
Hamilton - Edinburgh
Hamilton - Exeter
Hamilton - Glasgow
Hamilton - Liverpool
Hamilton - London Stansted
Hamilton - Manchester
Hamilton - Newcastle

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Old September 8th, 2006, 07:32 PM   #62
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I think its great I think with enough Marketing it will fly because nobody in southern Ontario can fly to any of these places without going to Toronto people southwest of here in Brantford Niagara Falls St Cathrines Burlington etc would be foolish to drive right past YHM to get to YYZ but you know they have don't it in the past, however I feel this might be differnat this time. We might even get some from Buffalo because for them to fly it from BUF they would have ot connect. Anyway Good work tradeport Lets see this fly.
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Old September 9th, 2006, 04:02 AM   #63
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So for the Tiv... is it going to be like a Digital drawing etched into the glass? So confused!

1st thing that popped into my head is the new building @ Concordia Uni in Mtl.
It was a glass wall w/ a floral design etched into the glass... anyone know what I'm talking about?? haha Post a pic if you do!!
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Old September 9th, 2006, 07:59 PM   #64
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Yea I think I know what building your talking about DC, I think it's a green glass building recently built. I tried finding a picture, I couldn't find one.
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Old September 9th, 2006, 08:02 PM   #65
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It appears with the Tivoli announcement it gave a big boost to 1 Vine Street proposal. It appears this project will become a reality as a major tenant appears to be making a deal, yay!


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Old September 10th, 2006, 07:04 AM   #66
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That office Bilding would be a nice development along that area of james St. When do you think we might know something.

Anyone know of any plans for the building along james between King William and King St on the East side that are could use a fixing up.
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Old September 13th, 2006, 11:11 AM   #67
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Connaught going upscale

Downtown hotel to become Marriott, condos
By Lisa Grace Marr
The Hamilton Spectator
(Sep 13, 2006)
The Royal Connaught is about to be transformed into a luxury Marriott Renaissance Hotel, boasting about 180 rooms, a pool and a new adjacent condo tower.

Tony Battaglia, of Grand Connaught Development Group, said yesterday his company had a conditional agreement with Marriott to develop the Royal Connaught under the Renaissance brand.

The hotel and condo project is expected to cost $65 million.

"We have an agreement that will serve the city well," he said, adding that Grand Connaught will be required to complete interior finishes and meet design specifications outlined by Marriott as part of the deal.

Grand Connaught bought the Royal Connaught in January 2005 for $4.5 million.

Battaglia said the condominium complex on the lot at the corner of Catharine and Main streets will have 120 to 140 units, plus space for offices and commercial businesses.

The Grand Connaught group is controlled by a number of local developers, including Ted Valeri of T. Valeri Construction, and Oscar Kichi, owner of the Ramada Plaza Hotel.

Grand Connaught's original plan to build 40 condos as part of the hotel had been approved for a $1.6-million loan under the city's downtown residential loan program.

Tonight, council will receive a recommendation to cancel the loan because the plan has changed, said Battaglia.

"We needed to increase the size of the hotel to 184 rooms so it didn't make the condos worth doing," he said.

"It's going to be a little bit different but it will be more upscale and the condo will be affiliated with the hotel.

"The project is bigger and better than it was on Day One."

Battaglia said he wasn't sure if the company would apply for a city loan for the new condo project.

The hotel will have three top floors of office space and some commercial space on the ground floor for shops and a chain restaurant.

"We wouldn't be making this huge investment if we didn't have the confidence in the downtown," said Battaglia.

Mayor Larry Di Ianni was thrilled by the news.

"For so many years we've said we need two things in the downtown: residential development so people can live downtown and economic development. When the Connaught shut its doors, it set us back."

The Connaught went into receivership and closed its doors in November 2004.

Earlier this year, council handed over about $230,000 from a brownfield fund to help offset about $900,000 in unexpected costs to remove asbestos from the hotel.

"All in all, such moves are spurring good economic development," said Di Ianni.

"Our tourism folks tell us (hotel space) is what's missing when trying to attract conventions," he said.

"A third or even a fourth (hotel) would be tremendously helpful."

Battaglia said the demolition of the interior of the Connaught is complete and the company has started on conceptual drawings of the condo tower.

He hopes the hotel and condo tower will open by mid-2008.
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Old September 13th, 2006, 04:34 PM   #68
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So it appears we are looking at around 20 storey condo tower at the corner of Catharine and Main Street. A rendering should be coming out in a few weeks.

Exciting stuff!

By the way welcome Normm2!
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Old September 14th, 2006, 12:21 AM   #69
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The new condo tower will have a minimum of 20 floors to a maximum of 25 floors. That's what the developer wants as an amendment from City Hall.
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Old September 14th, 2006, 04:42 AM   #70
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How does 20 to 25 flors compare with the Hotel behind it?
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Old September 14th, 2006, 05:14 AM   #71
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The Connaught Hotel is 12 storey high so with the new condo tower next to the hotel it will be doubled the height.
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Old September 14th, 2006, 01:47 PM   #72
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oh wow so it would be really something that would stand out then. The way I see it is the more tower cranes people see off the mountain the better really give people the sence of change downtown. For A lot of people then don't see the differance anyway, its a little frustrating the comments I hear from people from Hamilton and not from Hamilton.
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Old September 14th, 2006, 04:12 PM   #73
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I know what you mean lol. This piece of an article pretty sums it up

Torontonians kill me. I don't want to generalize, but when you tell them you're from Hamilton, they look as though they expect you might ask them to sponsor your family. You know, through some kind of World Vision program, where they put your picture up on their refrigerator and send you money every month. They're amazed we have restaurants. They think eating out in Hamilton means going to the vending machines.

They assume that because you live in Hamilton you've automatically got some kind of Victorian-sounding industrial disease like potter's lung, the vapours or Mrs. Duncan's catarrh.

http://www.hamiltonspectator.com/NAS...=1112274693697
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Old September 14th, 2006, 04:16 PM   #74
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Lister Compromise In Works

HAMILTON - Another meeting is planned for Thursday in regards to the future of the Lister Block.

Mayor Di Ianni admits it is getting down to the small strokes, as they work with the developer and the province's Culture Minister to find a solution that will balance the protection of the structure's heritage against the need to redevelop the downtown core.

He adds that all of that must happen while keeping the project within an "affordable framework".

Di Ianni does confirm that they are no longer looking at a choice between demolition or restoration. He says talks have moved to looking at something that is somewhere in between.

Even so, the question of when some sort of an agreement might be announced, remains unclear.

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Gore Park's Future On Table

HAMILTON - The future of Gore Park is back on the discussion table.

Hamilton politicians have voted to create a committee to explore the removal of city busses from the busy area, as well as to look into the possibility of closing it off to all motor vehicles.

Ward 2 Councillor Bob Bratina will be one of those sitting on the committee, and he says the busses will be moved to another location.

The issue of whether to leave Gore Park open only to pedestrians is less likely. The downtown BIA's Kathy Drewitt stresses that businesspeople are opposed to taking traffic off the street and would actually like to see angle parking created at the gore.
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Old September 15th, 2006, 02:26 PM   #75
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A breakthrough for the Lister saga

By Andrew Dreschel
The Hamilton Spectator
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(Sep 15, 2006)

Forget restoring the Lister Block

And forget knocking it down.

There's a dramatic new option on the table that falls smack in the middle.

Alan Wells, the provincially appointed troubleshooter leading the stakeholder talks, says the fresh proposal calls for preserving the heritage features of the six-storey downtown landmark while converting the inside into new office space.

Wells says the option includes gutting and renovating the top three storeys into modern offices, preserving the existing facade, and somehow protecting but transforming the open two-storey interior arcade into usable space.

That means the arcade and the facades on King William and James streets -- the rundown building's designated heritage features -- could be saved.

But the plan also calls for a radical downsizing of the $30-million LIUNA/Hi-Rise project that was approved by city council in June.

That proposal meant demolishing the building, replicating its facade, and erecting a new office tower on the rebuilt Lister for a total of about 100,000 square feet of space.

The new option entails maintaining the existing footprint and size of the Lister, about 53,000 square feet, for roughly the same cost -- though a later second phase could see the building grow to the size originally proposed. Regardless, the smaller size complicates matters.

Part of the controversial proposal approved by council called for the city to lease about 60,000 square feet for $30 million over 15 years. Under the alternative, that arrangement would obviously have to be revisited.

Wells says LIUNA and Hi-Rise are crunching the numbers to see if the new option is feasible from a construction point of view while the City of Hamilton is working on the figures from a leasing perspective.

Wells will present full details of the compromise to councillors on Sept. 27. He expects to submit his report on the talks to Culture Minister Caroline Di Cocco around the same time.

The province parachuted Wells into the controversy after council approved the demolition but agreed to delay issuing a permit, thereby staving off a potential stop work order from Di Cocco, who had been asked by Councillor Brian McHattie to intervene to save the building.

Hi-Rise president Warren Green could not be reached for comment yesterday. But that's not surprising.

One of the first things Wells did when he entered the fray was to impose a media blackout on the confidential talks, designating himself the sole spokesperson for the stakeholder group, which consists of the developers, city officials, downtown business reps and heritage advocates.

The fact that Wells has broken his own ban indicates discussion to find a compromise between demolition and restoration are down to the final strokes.

Wells has a series of meetings set for next week with city staff, architects, the developers, and potential tenants, one of which is the city's health department.

He says the idea of restoring the entire building to its original state is too expensive and not practical from a business point of view.

But experts have told the working group that though the facade needs repairing, it's in better shape than first estimated.

Wells says there are three different options being looked at for eking more usable space out of the open arcade area, a crucial consideration given the proposed downsizing of the project and the city's leasing needs.

"The office space would be completely renovated and the outside would be preserved and the arcade would be symbolic of what it was with the flow through and shaping -- but it would have to have some functional use," Wells said.

Obviously everything hinges on whether the proposal makes financial sense to the developers and whether it's affordable to the city.

Presumably, any profit margin for LIUNA and Hi-Rise would be found in a potential second phase. But there are some tough political questions that have to be answered as well.

Will the city be asked to still pay the same premium rent for reduced space? What price are councillors willing to put on heritage preservation, particularly those councillors who opposed the original project because the leasing terms were too rich?

Finally, will council, which made it clear it wants to clean up that corner of the core, have the stomach to deal with this piping hot issue in the middle of an election?
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Old September 22nd, 2006, 04:52 PM   #76
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Incline railway: Back to the future?

By Peter Van Harten
The Hamilton Spectator
(Sep 22, 2006)

For almost 50 glorious years, the city had two incline railways scaling the Mountain at James and Wentworth streets.

Now city planners are looking back to the future to an incline to draw tourists and carry pedestrians and cyclists up the escarpment. The idea of a potential incline railway is in a long-term transportation plan being unveiled Sept. 25 - 26.

It's still a think-tank concept with no cost figures or actual plans, but residents are being asked to dream.

"Once we get a sense of people's views on the concept, we will start looking at the more detailed implementation," said Mary Lou Tanner, Hamilton's manager of strategic and environmental planning.

Hamilton's two privately owned incline railways went into total financial decline in the 1930s with the Great Depression and the new popularity of motor cars. They were left to rot and rust before being torn down for scrap metal.

Before that, from the 1890s to 1930s, they opened up the Mount Hamilton community for city residents and carried patients to Henderson Hospital.

Bringing back an incline railway was mentioned repeatedly at the policy level as the transportation plan was being created, said Tanner.

"Clearly we have a lot more homework to do," Tanner said.

Author and historian Robert James Williamson of the Hamilton Mountain Heritage Society has written and lectured on the incline railways and wishes they weren't gone.

"It's a shame they didn't keep one of them," said Williamson, whose book on Hamilton's theatrical Summers family highlighted their 700-seat theatre, which stood at the top of the Wentworth incline.

But Williamson worries that bringing back an incline may be too costly.

"It would be a wonderful improvement in tourism," Williamson said. "We've got a boat cruise back on the bay and a little trolley train, so anything is possible, but we are talking a lot of dollars."

Tanner said the Wentworth Street area is being considered because it would allow full accessibility and would link popular trails below and above the Mountain.

"We have wonderful steps but we don't have anything that is accessible," she said.

A new incline going up the Niagara Escarpment could be similar to popular ones in use at Niagara Falls and Quebec City.

The Falls incline, which operates during the summer and carries passengers from the Horseshoe Falls to hotels and the new casino, was built in 1996 at a cost of $265,000

The city's transportation plan also calls for a rapid bus transit network, 120 kilometres of new on-street bike lanes and 140 kilometres of multi-paths and road improvements.


The plans will be presented on Sept. 25, 6 p.m. to 8:30 p.m., at Winterberry Heights Church on Winterberry Drive, and on Sept. 26 at Chedoke Presbyterian Church on Mohawk Road.
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Old September 23rd, 2006, 12:53 AM   #77
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This would be awesome if they bring the incline railway back.

I was downtown today as I came up the sherman access from charlton I was looking out over the city and noticed a crane. It was on the was probably on wheels. It wasn't a tower crane and it wasnt St Dennys as I went by there while downtown. Anyway Any thoughts?

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Old September 27th, 2006, 04:15 PM   #78
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Lister Block Update - Project Coming Full Circle

Lister to be Restored

According to the latest column by The Spec's Andrew Dreschel, the Lister saga has now tipped fully in favour of restorative preservation. In today's paper, Dreschel describes the latest plans for the Lister now call for "the complete preservation of the downtown building, including its heritage features and concrete superstructure, while still converting the inside into modern offices".

Apparantly, the intervention by the Province has forced the DiIanni/LIUNA collaborators to turn to the 'plan b' that they insisted did not exist back in June. The reversion will likely cost the city more in the form of an extended lease, but the city ends up with the same square space in the renovated space. This is quite the feat, since LIUNA chair Mancinelli claimed the original building couldn't house this space.

The deal appears to have some collateral damage. Acording to Dreschel, the 1854 Thomas Building on James North and the circa 1900 brick building on King William will no longer be restored as proposed last June. Instead, he says they will be demolished in favour of newer buildings in the second phase of this development, with possibly some architectural elements preserved. I am assuming the facades would likely be preserved and incorporated on the exterior of the new buildings.

So it looks like the city's heritage committee and the planners working on the King William streetscape project will have their recommendations adopted after all. If only our council had the common sense to follow their expert advice to begin with. Why does it take outsiders (in the form of the Provincial government) to make the city work in harmony?!? What's wrong with our council???

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Old September 28th, 2006, 05:58 AM   #79
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Whatever the do lets get on with it already.

We should be well into this by now.
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From the looks of things reconstruction of the Lister Block won't even begin until next spring or summer.
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