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Old August 11th, 2006, 04:11 AM   #21
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Hi: Sorry photo didn't come through, maybe later.

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Old August 11th, 2006, 05:24 AM   #22
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doubling my recent post from Euro trolley bus thread

a few of many Moscow trolleybus sites:
http://trolley.ruz.net/
http://trolleway.tramvaj.ru/
http://mtb-photo.narod.ru

a few pics from http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ru/.../misc/pix.html

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ru/.../MTRZ/pix.html





















































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Old August 12th, 2006, 04:07 PM   #23
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Sincerely I prefer those old Ikarus Moscow trolleybuses--- they look so distinctive from Edmonton trolleybuses--- not sure if they are comfortable. Most 1980s trolleybuses resembles their Canadian counterpart--- Moscow trolleybuses always look more comfortable than Edmonton.

Actually I deeply respect Moscow's extensive trolleybus network--- it's really an efficient light-rail like transport system. It's a shame that people in both Moscow and Edmonton usually choose to use their automobile rather than public trolleybuses. Does Moscow constantly having new trolleybus lines? I'm also curious about its tram system.
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Old August 21st, 2006, 12:39 AM   #24
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71-630 tram for Moscow
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Old August 21st, 2006, 04:33 AM   #25
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Strange design... that tram has 3 cabs but the middle cab is very short--- I don't think it can hold many people in that cab--- other cabs are of normal size.
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Old August 21st, 2006, 06:37 AM   #26
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there are two cabs (driver cabs). and it is one 3 sectional car.
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Old August 21st, 2006, 10:08 AM   #27
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Strange design... that tram has 3 cabs but the middle cab is very short--- I don't think it can hold many people in that cab--- other cabs are of normal size.
Coth has explained it, it's one car tram. This kind of lowfloor 3 or 5 sectional modern trams are very common now in Europe.

It seems Moscow invests mostly in subway, because trams, trolleys and buses look quite poor. But this new 71-630 looks very interesting, and simmilar to Skoda T16 for Wroclaw designed in Porsche Design Studio.
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Old August 22nd, 2006, 10:32 AM   #28
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Coth has explained it, it's one car tram. This kind of lowfloor 3 or 5 sectional modern trams are very common now in Europe.
So could actually the middle "section" hold people? Or is it just for better turning of the tram?
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Old August 22nd, 2006, 10:42 AM   #29
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So could actually the middle "section" hold people? Or is it just for better turning of the tram?
Here You have Katowice Citadis interior photo.
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Old August 22nd, 2006, 11:22 AM   #30
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of course there are seats
pic from tram.ruz.net
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Old August 22nd, 2006, 04:48 PM   #31
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Thanks coth, the seat arrangement of the tram is quite elegantly designed. Actually which Moscow tram is related to 71-630 series? Are there such thing called "71" series?
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Old August 23rd, 2006, 05:15 PM   #32
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This is what I found on the GAZ group's bus page:

I don't know how many are on Moscow streets though.

I'll start with extra-lage and go to small.

GolAZ 6228(Golitsyn)


LiAZ - 6212 (Likinsky, not to be confused with the one in CZ)


LiAZ-6213(Low-floor experimental modification)


LiAZ 62xx(15 meter long single bus)


Large:

LiAZ 5256


LiAZ 5292


LiAZ 5292.57(Natural gas powered)


LiAZ 5293 (Low floor)


Average-sized:

PAZ 4230 (Pavlovo, To me it looks like a regular paz with a different face)


Small:

GolAZ "Ford Transit"(Used for Route Taxis, replacing GAZelles)


PAZ 3237


PAZ 32054


PAZ 3203(Looks like the yellow bus named Bogdan(Lviv Bus Plant?))


PAZ 3204


Perspective PAZ-City model


Trolleybusses:
LiAZ 5280


LiAZ 52803(Low floor)


Also I've seen some Chinese busses with uncomfortable seats on Altufyevo Highway in Moscow, but don't remember their name.

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http://self.bus.ru/eng/ <--This is the website if anyone is interested.

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Old August 23rd, 2006, 08:29 PM   #33
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It's a shame that people in both Moscow and Edmonton usually choose to use their automobile rather than public trolleybuses. Does Moscow constantly having new trolleybus lines? I'm also curious about its tram system.
Last trolleybus line expansion took place in 1990, from 1990 to 1999 some of 5 km lines were closed in downtown. Tram system have been shrinking constantly from 1983 year, during last 10 years about 20km of tracks were closed because of highways widening.
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Old August 23rd, 2006, 08:45 PM   #34
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Actually which Moscow tram is related to 71-630 series? Are there such thing called "71" series?
All trams manufactured in USSR had some 71-*** code regardless of manufacturer, as is was set by State Standard. ( Metro cars have code 81-*** ). Afaik 71-630 have no sommon core parts with other Moscow trams, maybe except motors - frame, bogies, body are different. Other model manufactured by Ust-Katav that are operated in Moscow now are 71-608 and 71-619.
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Old August 23rd, 2006, 10:42 PM   #35
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/71-608
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/71-619
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Old August 24th, 2006, 11:00 AM   #36
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If we go outside Moscow and talk about whole Russia, what are the most common buses and trolleybuses you see? Not that many new models i think.
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Old August 28th, 2006, 05:26 AM   #37
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Serbia's Ikarbus bus plant has recently revelead five new models of buses, some of which were created with Russian export in mind, in partnerhip with Tushino Motors of Moscow.

Already, fifty (50) new low-floor Ikarbus buses are being readied for export to Moscow.

They will look like this:

SOLO IK-112N bus







Articulated IK-218N








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Old August 31st, 2006, 07:10 AM   #38
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If we go outside Moscow and talk about whole Russia, what are the most common buses and trolleybuses you see? Not that many new models i think.
Probably. Moscow has some of the best buses and trolleybuses throughout Russia.

Minsk bus fleet is comparable with Moscow, but that's in Belarus.

Consider Sankt Petersburg... one of the city with better bus fleet. Most smaller cities use old buses, trolleybuses and trams throughout most of Russia.
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Old May 26th, 2009, 01:59 AM   #39
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Some trolleybuses like the ZIU/TrolZA seems to be purpose built, but are others based on diesel bus bodies ? Who is the electric equipment supplier ? There are ZIU 682 and 683 trolleybuses still at work in Crdoba, Argentina; others in Mendoza and Rosario were phased out.
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Old May 28th, 2009, 12:02 AM   #40
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I don't understand. In Poland and everywhere in the world Russians are known that they build mass production realible and simple machines. In Moscow I see xx difrent types of trams, trolleys and buses. Without any sense and any scheme. Why?
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