Trafford Park

[CDX]

Bump. Perhaps a re-name of this thread is in order.

Was it worked out whether this app was the new civic admin offices development???

Originally Posted by jrb

I stand corrected, but I'm sure these offices are being built for Trafford Council to relocate to. No documents yet.

Date Received 02-09-2008
Target Date 02-12-2008
Consultation Expiry Date
Committee Date
Date Appeal Logged
Appeal Decision

Application Details
Application Number H/70189
Site Address Former Kratos Site, Barton Dock Road/Mercury Way, Trafford Park
Previous Address
Ward Davyhulme East
Application Type Full
Development Type Office
Proposal Outline planning application for demolition of existing buildings and erection of two office buildings (maximum 27,870 square metres) falling within Class B1together with associated car parking and ancillary structures. Consent sought for creation of access from Mercury Way with all other matters reserved.
Decision
Case Officer Name Mrs V Moran
Case Officer Telephone No. 0161 912 3149
Case Officer E-mail
Applicant Name Peel Investments North Ltd
Applicant Address C/o Agent
Agent Name Turley Associates
Agent Address The Chancery, 58 Spring Gardens, Manchester, M2 1EW
Dates
Valid Date 02-09-2008 Target Date 02-12-2008
Expiry date For Consultations Date Of Last Consultation
Committee Date Decision Date
Appeal Details
Appeal Submitted No Date Appeal Logged
Appeal Decision Appeal Decision Date

Civic Offices Planning App Link
Civic Offices Planning Docs Link

Very dull, however only outline.





Also if these are the plans for the civic offices then the planned 'maritime' (more likely to be 'The John Whittaker Experience' ) museum would be next door:



The docs for the warehouse/museum variation are also online, still no specified occupant/exhibit though.

Museum Planning Application Link
Museum Planning Docs Link

I think the decision on both of these will be quite near.

[jrb]

Nice work CDX.

[CDX]

As it is outline planning, various heights being considered.

Small:



Large:

[The Longford]

This whole 'museum' thing is just plain weird.
Why are they putting in an application for a museum of 'unspecified content'?
There is something fishy about this whole thing (and i dont mean its going to be museum dedicated to Trafford's long history of deep sea fishing!)

[CDX]

Originally Posted by The Longford

This whole 'museum' thing is just plain weird.
Why are they putting in an application for a museum of 'unspecified content'?
There is something fishy about this whole thing (and i dont mean its going to be museum dedicated to Trafford's long history of deep sea fishing!)

There is an unsubstantiated rumour knocking about that the planning group for museums is very similar if not the same as exhibition/conference centres a-la G-Mex....but like I say pure rumour, needs a bit of investigation.....

[The Longford]

Originally Posted by CDX

There is an unsubstantiated rumour knocking about that the planning group for museums is very similar if not the same as exhibition/conference centres a-la G-Mex....but like I say pure rumour, needs a bit of investigation.....

There is an extensive traffic report (and little else!) in that application which leads me to think the planners also smell a rat or they are complicit in this whole thing and this 'museum' is expected to generate more traffic than your average museum*

*for 'museum' read 'gigantic warehouse in an industrial estate'. I cant think of many museums in gigantic converted warehouses in remote industrial locations.

[CDX]

Originally Posted by The Longford

There is an extensive traffic report (and little else!) in that application which leads me to think the planners also smell a rat or they are complicit in this whole thing and this 'museum' is expected to generate more traffic than your average museum*

*for 'museum' read 'gigantic warehouse in an industrial estate'. I cant think of many museums in gigantic converted warehouses in remote industrial locations.

I tell you what, Frank Cohen has had a good old go at in in Wolverhampton, at Initial Access, industrial unit miles from anywhere....hang on a minute....he was wanting a space in Manchester????

[CDX]

Originally Posted by The Longford

*for 'museum' read 'gigantic warehouse in an industrial estate'. I cant think of many museums in gigantic converted warehouses in remote industrial locations.

Thinking about this, this would be a museum of quite monolithic proportions, mooted as a maritime museum, they are not actually going to put marine vessels in there are they

Getting planning permission, then casually amending to something more akin to their track record(profitable) me thinks.

[The Longford]

Originally Posted by CDX

Thinking about this, this would be a museum of quite monolithic proportions, mooted as a maritime museum, they are not actually going to put marine vessels in there are they

Getting planning permission, then casually amending to something more akin to their track record(profitable) me thinks.

Barton Square being a prime example - in that to avoid it being seen as an extension of Dumplington precinct (which isnt allowed) it is touted as a Homeware 'destination'.
Who wants to put a tenner on the notion that once the homeware stores go tits up - which they already are doing i believe - they will surprisingly be transformed into the rest of the tat that the TC peddles?

[CDX]

Originally Posted by SleepyOne

Officers have recommended "minded to grant" permission presumably subject to a s106 payment for transport improvements as mentioned in the MEN article.

The application goes to committee TOMORROW, Thursday 8th Jan, 6:30 pm, Committee Suite, Trafford Town Hall for anyone interested in making representations.

http://www.trafford.gov.uk/cme/live/...6-13046F21DC36

Did this actually get permission at the meeting then?

[CDX]

From the MEN:

Talks bid over Argos plans to move
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk
Alan Jones
13/ 1/2009

UNION leaders were today seeking urgent talks with high street retail giant Argos over plans to close a distribution site which officials fear will lead to the loss of up to 200 jobs.

Unite said the job cuts at Trafford Park in Manchester were made more 'insulting' because the site is to be redeveloped into a museum of industrial heritage.

'Concern'

The union said Argos's move from the Trafford Park site to Castleford in West Yorkshire was expected to create some jobs but Unite expressed 'deep concern' about the potential for the work to be hived off to a third party employer, which it said could see terms and conditions slashed.

Regional official Neil Clarke said: "We realise fully that these are tough economic times but employers must not use this as excuse to transfer work to another third party contractor who could slash terms and conditions.

'Unacceptable'

"It is clear that this move has been considered for some time but the only clue to the loyal workforce and their union was the planning permission disclosed last week for the museum. This is simply unacceptable.

"We understand that companies face tough decisions now but the pain for the workforce is only made much worse when decisions about their future are announced without proper consultation and notification and when the jobs to replace those that are lost are offloaded on to third party contractors."

[Chorley Boi]

industrial heritage..... not exactly argos

[jrb]

600+ jobs gone in one week at TP. Not good.

From Crains.

Argos parent to cut 210 jobs at Trafford Park distribution centre
By James Chapelard


Home Retail Group Plc, owners of Argos and Homebase stores, is to cut 210 jobs at its Trafford Park distribution centre to lower costs.

The Milton Keynes-based company said the closure was part of move to consolidate northern operations at its other distribution centre in Castleford, West Yorkshire.

A decision on alternative employment for the workers has not yet been made, the company said. “The move permits us to make better use of the Castleford facilities which are owned by the group.The proposals are intended to reduce the group’s operating costs,” a spokeswoman said.

Home Retail, which employs about 52,000 people, has cut prices in its Argos and Homebase stores in an effort to ignite consumer spending.

On December 22, Crain’s Manchester Business reported that Peel Holdings had submitted a planning application to turn the distribution centre, the former Manchester Tobacco Company building, into a museum to house equipment used to build the Manchester Ship Canal.

The Unite union said the job cuts were made more "insulting" by plans to use the site as an industrial heritage museum.

It also said the work may be outsourced to a third party employer, leading to reduced terms and conditions.

Neil Clarke, a Unite regional official, said: "We realise fully that these are tough economic times but employers must not use this as excuse to transfer work to another third party contractor who could slash terms and conditions.

"It is clear that this move has been considered for some time but the only clue to the loyal workforce and their union was the planning permission disclosed last week for the museum. This is simply unacceptable.

"We understand that companies face tough decisions now but the pain for the workforce is only made much worse when decisions about their future are announced without proper consultation and notification and when the jobs to replace those that are lost are offloaded on to third party contractors."

[CDX]

The planning decision for the Argos site was deferred last month but is being considered again at 12/02/09 meeting, the agenda & docs are online:

http://www.trafford.gov.uk/cme/live/...D-D61BBE971391

Along with the Argos/Museum(!) site a couple of other plans are being considered, all the details are in this doc:

PDC Agenda Item 4 - Applications for permission to develop etc - 12/02/09

WARD: Davyhulme East
H/70328
DEPARTURE: No
CHANGE OF USE FROM EXISTING DISTRIBUTION WAREHOUSE (USE CLASS
B8) TO A MUSEUM (USE CLASS D1)
Argos Distribution Warehouse, Barton Dock Road, Trafford Park
APPLICANT: Peel South East Ltd
AGENT: Rapleys LLP
RECOMMENDATION: MINDED TO GRANT SUBJECT TO SECTION 106 AGREEMENT
This application was deferred at the Planning Committee meeting on the 8 January 2009 to allow consideration of measures to ensure a Hackney Carriage taxi rank is provided within the application site. The report has been updated at Paragraph 10.

A taxi rank for a museum...

WARD: Davyhulme East
H/58904
DEPARTURE: No
CONSTRUCTION OF NEW CANAL ROAD CROSSING AND ASSOCIATED
ROADS AND IMPROVEMENTS TO EXISTING ROADS AS PART OF THE
WESTERN GATEWAY INFRASTRUCTURE SCHEME (WGIS)
Land adjacent to the Manchester Ship Canal, M60 and Trafford Boulevard, Urmston
APPLICANT: Peel Investments (North) Ltd.
AGENT: Indigo Planning Ltd.
RECOMMENDATION: GRANT

WARD: Davyhulme East
H/69777
DEPARTURE: No
ERECTION OF A HOTEL BUILDING OF 15 STOREYS IN HEIGHT TO PROVIDE
211 BEDROOMS, INCORPORATING A GUEST ONLY HEALTH, SPA/LEISURE
FACILITY, A FUNCTION/CONFERENCE SUITE, A BAR LOUNGE, CAFÉ AND
RESTAURANT TOGETHER WITH ADMINISTRATION, SERVICING, AND
STORAGE AND ASSOCIATED ACCESS, CAR PARKING AND LANDSCAPING
WORKS.
Land at Parkway, Junction 9 of M60 and Southern Boundary of Trafford Centre
APPLICANT: Peel Investments (Leisure) Ltd
AGENT: Turley Associates
RECOMMENDATION: MINDED TO GRANT SUBJECT TO SECTION 106 AGREEMENT

[CDX]

Tender has been issued for new Trafford Civic Offices:

Tender: Manchester: construction work
http://www.publictenders.net
2009/S 40-058082
...
I.1) NAME, ADDRESSES AND CONTACT POINT(S):
Address: Organisation: Trafford Metropolitan Borough Council
...
II.1.1) Title attributed to the contract by the contracting authority:
Long Term Accommodation Project.

II.1.2) Type of contract and location of works, place of delivery or of performance:
Works. Design and execution.
...
II.1.5) Short description of the contract or purchase(s):
Trafford MBC is looking at the options to meet its long term accommodation needs, in respect of its main administrative centre at Trafford Town Hall, through a major capital development project.

These options may include, but are not limited to, the redevelopment of the current site or the development of a new facility on a new site elsewhere within the borough.
...
II.2.1) Total quantity or scope:
The estimated size of the final administrative centre is likley to be between 8,000 and 12,000 square metres.

II.2.2) Options:
Yes.

Description of these options: The Council does not wish to limit its options at this stage and may consider a long term lease option, with rent including any capital costs of construction or refurbishment or some form of joint venture arrangement.

II.3) DURATION OF THE CONTRACT OR TIME-LIMIT FOR COMPLETION:
Starting: 1.4.2010. Completion: 31.3.2011.
...
VI.3) ADDITIONAL INFORMATION:

The Council currently occupies a diverse range of buildings across the borough that vary in condition, age, size and quality, as well as levels of interior environment and specifications throughout.

A significant number of properties within the Trafford Council portfolio are historic, traditional, and considered ill-suited for the flexible, adaptable and sustainable working practices required by the Council in order to deliver public services in the 21st Century. In addition to which the current Town Hall is a mix of a 1930s, Grade II listed, building and a 1980s annex.

The Council is therefore willing to consider options that include, but are not limited to, the redevelopment of the current site or the development of a new facility on a new site elsewhere within the borough. Further background information is contained in the Information Memorandum available from the address in I.1 The Council reserves the right to change or terminate without notice the procedure for awarding the contract at any time without iability.

Tenders and all supporting documentation must be priced in Sterling. The Council reserves the right to approve any and all sub-contracting appointments the successful tenderer may make when providing services under any resultant contract. The Council does not bind itself to accept any tender and reserves the right to cancel the tendering process at any point. The Council is not liable for any costs incurred by those expressing an interest in tendering for this contract opportunity.
...
VI.5) DATE OF DISPATCH OF THIS NOTICE:
25.2.2009.

[andrew.roberts]

Originally Posted by SleepyOne

Indeed. Since you posted this one more has sadly bitten the dust. Proctor and Gamble's fine pre-war warehouse was demolished towards the end of last year. There's a set of quite heart wrenching photos documenting its destruction on Flickr.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/alr1970...7602636479881/

Nice to see my photos have been seen by someone! There are plenty more I heven't got around to putting on flickr.

Anyone know why its come down or what's being built in its place?

Nothing yet, except a new weighbridge. I was saddenned to see it go but not surprised, it was unsuited to the modern way of warehousing on high racks, and no-one was going to convert it to flats in that location. I noticed it had become empty after years of seeing pallets of Pampers in it, and took some photos of its original state. Later the demolition began, I was lucky enough to go by on the day it started and got the photo you've seen.

I'm glad I'm not the only one photographing TP, I only moved here in 2003 and a lot of the good old buildings were already gone. I work on Clarence Avenue, right next to the old Turner's asbestos site. I often wonder what's blowing in the wind there.

Andrew

[CDX]

Another Barton Dock Road/Peel app has gone in:

http://planning.trafford.gov.uk

Date Received: 12-02-2009

Application Number: H/70921

Site Address: Trafford Tank Wash, Barton Dock Road, Trafford Park, Manchester, M41 7JX

Application Type: Full

Proposal
Change of use of site from general industrial (Class B2) to car sales centre (sui generis) including demolition of existing warehouse buildings and tank cleaning unit; alterations to north and west elevations of existing office building; installation of disabled persons access ramp on north elevation of office building and erection of 17 no. 8 metre high lighting columns and associated development and landscaping thereto.

Applicant Name: Peel Investments North Limited

[Chogmook]

Wondered when it was due to bite the dust as it 'doesn't fit' into Peel's retail area...

Hope it's relocated though.

[flange]

Originally Posted by Chogmook

Wondered when it was due to bite the dust as it 'doesn't fit' into Peel's retail area...

Hope it's relocated though.

Yes it will be relocated a planning application is online here

Part of Yard of RCL premises, Barton Dock Road, Old Trafford.

Erection of a detached Tanker Wash Building and associated storage container unit, portacabins, two tier lift tank and effluent treatment tank for use in cleaning of storage containers.

http://planningdocs.trafford.gov.uk/...20Application/

[Chogmook]

Cheers ears, glad to see jobs safeguarded.