KL-Singapore fast rail link

[Neb81]

Originally Posted by deskoh91

At least they seem committed to having an RTS up judging by the tenders and timeline, probably partly because Singapore is there to egg them on as well.

Fingers crossed!

[Mith252]

Here is an article from TODAY.


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[xtemujin]

I hope that it will materialise as it is a big deal to cut travel time from Singapore to KL from 5 hours to 90 minutes.

Hopefully, it will stop at Malacca too.

[ddes]

It looks like things are slowly moving...

Originally Posted by quashlo

Japanese government markets Shinkansen for Malaysia – Singapore HSR
http://www.nikkei.com/news/category/...3E2E2E2;av=ALL



This is for the proposed 400 km route that would link Kuala Lumpur and Singapore in about 1.5 hrs. The Japanese government will perform its own independent feasibility analysis of the project this fiscal year to assist Japanese firms looking to participate, and will consider the possibility of providing financing through the Japan Bank for International Cooperation should JR Central or JR East win orders for the project.

[deskoh91]

All I can say is many companies are scrambling for a piece of the pie with their own proposals from Maglev to Shinkansen to European HSR systems. Hope the consultant can judge the proposals fairly by their merits (I.e. As little political influence as possible) and use the most reasonable technology.

[ddes]

Originally Posted by deskoh91

All I can say is many companies are scrambling for a piece of the pie with their own proposals from Maglev to Shinkansen to European HSR systems. Hope the consultant can judge the proposals fairly by their merits (I.e. As little political influence as possible) and use the most reasonable technology.

Rail infrastructure, like aircraft, are high value commodities, so the selection will always be politically influenced.

[deskoh91]

Yes, that's why as little as possible. Hopefully nothing inferior will eventually be commissioned. I see a fair bit of potential of this boosting visitors to both countries.

[ltn50]

Originally Posted by deskoh91

Yes, that's why as little as possible. Hopefully nothing inferior will eventually be commissioned. I see a fair bit of potential of this boosting visitors to both countries.

If the project is pushed forward, I suspect flights from Sin-KL and vice versa will suffer drastically. I read that the Sin-Kl flights for all airlines
have been very profitable.

[ddes]

SIN-KUL is no longer the cash cow it once was. As long as the hub airlines do not offer through ticketing on the high-speed rail, there'll be little change to the aviation market. As it is right now, all the players on the route have rightsized their equipment, with SQ flying its own metal when it coincides with its heaviest hub banks from Europe, Australia and the States. Jetstar and AirAsia especially, gets quite a fair bit of business "connecting" passengers to/from SIN as well.

[nemu]

Many of the advantages of HSR will be nullified as along as customs clearance is still a chore. Also, if the line does not extend to the CBD, its competitiveness is greatly decreased. Travelers loathe to be dumped in the middle of nowhere (ie Woodlands).

I'm still hoping they could revive the old Ktm line. Quad track it. Bury it underground if they must. Add 2 to 3 stops in between and turn it into a dual purpose HSR/Express MRT line; and perhaps extend it all the way to Changi.

[ltn50]

Originally Posted by ddes

SIN-KUL is no longer the cash cow it once was. As long as the hub airlines do not offer through ticketing on the high-speed rail, there'll be little change to the aviation market. As it is right now, all the players on the route have rightsized their equipment, with SQ flying its own metal when it coincides with its heaviest hub banks from Europe, Australia and the States. Jetstar and AirAsia especially, gets quite a fair bit of business "connecting" passengers to/from SIN as well.

There's going to be war between sky and land, if Penang-the Kuala Lumpur-Singapore high-speed rail project gets the green light. The sky between the two cities was already in war mode when budget carriers started providing shuttle services. It will have a big impact on the transport industry between the two cities: planes, express buses and trains. The choice of any of them will largely depend on the budget, as well as the time factor. The high-speed train may turn out to be the fastest means of transport between the two countries in future.

[ddes]

Originally Posted by ltn50

There's going to be war between sky and land, if Penang-the Kuala Lumpur-Singapore high-speed rail project gets the green light. The sky between the two cities was already in war mode when budget carriers started providing shuttle services. It will have a big impact on the transport industry between the two cities: planes, express buses and trains. The choice of any of them will largely depend on the budget, as well as the time factor. The high-speed train may turn out to be the fastest means of transport between the two countries in future.

Whether it's the fastest, really depends on where the stations are located at. HSR lines aren't the cheapest things to build, and to maximize speed, tend to go for the straightest route. In addition, the city centres themselves may not have the space to accommodate such huge infrastructure above or underground. Hong Kong's West Kowloon station is huge, and will have 15 platforms. So, the result, more often, is like China's Hongqiao or Beijing South stations - as far away from the city centre as the airport. Either that, or the train crawls (at subway speeds) into the city centre, like from Ueno and Shinagawa to Tokyo stations, or into Seoul station.

[Autobots]

In short:-

Singapore & KL are now in unofficial negotiation over HSR project, estimated cost is S$ 8 -12B, train model could be Siemen's Velaro. 60% of the construction cost will be from Malaysian Infrastructure fund, another 30% from stock sales, actual construction cost will be depending on the undersea tunnel (if adopted)

Feasible Study is now in second phase including track location, stop over and terminal stations

Tender and construction may start next year


新马高铁系统 明年或可招标动工兴建

新山综合讯）马来西亚陆路公共交通委员会主席赛哈密说，新加坡与马来西亚已经就吉隆坡至新加坡的高速铁路系统（HSR）展开非正式磋商。

赛哈密前天在新山出席一个开斋晚宴时，形容这项计划的调查研究是“积极和乐观”的。
　　他说，马国陆路公共交通委员会目前正进行第二阶段的研究，包括研究通道、轨道路线、轨道终站与途中停靠站等细节。

　　他强调，这是个庞大的计划，因此如果两国政府确实有意兴建这条铁路，许多细节都需要国家领导人商谈和决定，包括高速铁路系统的铁道是否要衔接吉隆坡、新山至新加坡。

　　马国陆路公共交通委员会发展主任阿斯米则指出，新马高速铁路系统的招标工作和兴建工程，可能在明年落实，至于兴建费用，还在估计。

　　他透露，60%的兴建经费将来自马国基础建设发展基金，30%由售股取得。但实际费用还得取决于两国是否决定兴建地下隧道。

　　陆路公共交通委员会首席执行员莫哈末努卡玛26日曾指出，吉隆坡至新加坡的高速铁路系统计划，目前已进入俗称“实际走廊（actual corridor）”的可行性研究阶段。

　　消息人士指出，全长约300公里的新加坡—马来西亚高速铁路计划，预料将耗资200亿至300亿令吉（约80亿至120亿新元）兴建。

　　建成之后，高铁时速可高达每小时350至450公里，可将目前从新加坡到吉隆坡约6小时的行程缩短至90分钟。

　　消息也指德国西门子的Velaro高速列车，是新马高铁计划（HSR）可能采用的列车型号，其时速最高可达每小时350公里。


杨忠礼集团董事经理杨肃斌2006年曾表示，集团计划斥资80亿令吉（约32亿新元），兴建新马高速铁路。然而他提出的计划最终没有获得当局批准。
　　马国首相纳吉2010年10月宣布总值4440亿美元（约5500亿新元）的经济转型计划，其中一个重点计划，就是建造从新加坡至吉隆坡的高铁计划。

马国陆路公共交通委员会主席说，委员会目前正进行第二阶段的研究，包括研究通道、轨道路线、轨道终站与途中停靠站等细节。

[ltn50]

Originally Posted by Autobots

In short:-

Singapore & KL are now in unofficial negotiation over HSR project, estimated cost is S$ 8 -12B, train model could be Siemen's Velaro. 60% of the construction cost will be from Malaysian Infrastructure fund, another 30% from stock sales, actual construction cost will be depending on the undersea tunnel (if adopted)

Feasible Study is now in second phase including track location, stop over and terminal stations

Tender and construction may start next year


新马高铁系统 明年或可招标动工兴建

新山综合讯）马来西亚陆路公共交通委员会主席赛哈密说，新加坡与马来西亚已经就吉隆坡至新加坡的高速铁路系统（HSR）展开非正式磋商。

赛哈密前天在新山出席一个开斋晚宴时，形容这项计划的调查研究是“积极和乐观”的。
　　他说，马国陆路公共交通委员会目前正进行第二阶段的研究，包括研究通道、轨道路线、轨道终站与途中停靠站等细节。

　　他强调，这是个庞大的计划，因此如果两国政府确实有意兴建这条铁路，许多细节都需要国家领导人商谈和决定，包括高速铁路系统的铁道是否要衔接吉隆坡、新山至新加坡。

　　马国陆路公共交通委员会发展主任阿斯米则指出，新马高速铁路系统的招标工作和兴建工程，可能在明年落实，至于兴建费用，还在估计。

　　他透露，60%的兴建经费将来自马国基础建设发展基金，30%由售股取得。但实际费用还得取决于两国是否决定兴建地下隧道。

　　陆路公共交通委员会首席执行员莫哈末努卡玛26日曾指出，吉隆坡至新加坡的高速铁路系统计划，目前已进入俗称“实际走廊（actual corridor）”的可行性研究阶段。

　　消息人士指出，全长约300公里的新加坡—马来西亚高速铁路计划，预料将耗资200亿至300亿令吉（约80亿至120亿新元）兴建。

　　建成之后，高铁时速可高达每小时350至450公里，可将目前从新加坡到吉隆坡约6小时的行程缩短至90分钟。

　　消息也指德国西门子的Velaro高速列车，是新马高铁计划（HSR）可能采用的列车型号，其时速最高可达每小时350公里。


杨忠礼集团董事经理杨肃斌2006年曾表示，集团计划斥资80亿令吉（约32亿新元），兴建新马高速铁路。然而他提出的计划最终没有获得当局批准。
　　马国首相纳吉2010年10月宣布总值4440亿美元（约5500亿新元）的经济转型计划，其中一个重点计划，就是建造从新加坡至吉隆坡的高铁计划。

马国陆路公共交通委员会主席说，委员会目前正进行第二阶段的研究，包括研究通道、轨道路线、轨道终站与途中停靠站等细节。

Actually the higher quote of S$12B is reasonable considering the distance from Penang to Singapore. I mean the TSL/ERL line will cost us S$20B which is much shorter

[ltn50]

I am hoping that they will bring the line directly into the city center maybe somewhere near Marina to connect with the MRT through interchanges

[SingaporeSpot.com]

This idea is very good....

We will see the result! :-)

[deskoh91]

Originally Posted by ltn50

Actually the higher quote of S$12B is reasonable considering the distance from Penang to Singapore. I mean the TSL/ERL line will cost us S$20B which is much shorter

it should be a KL to JB/Singapore route, no confirmation of Penang in the report. though I think an extension to Butterworth is worth considering if KUL-SIN works on HSR.

I will already be happy enough if they are able to call tender for this line next year as reported. just hope nothing stalls like they have did so many times previously. I wonder why is the quote this time round so much higher than the one from YTL.

[y2koh]

Originally Posted by ltn50

I am hoping that they will bring the line directly into the city center maybe somewhere near Marina to connect with the MRT through interchanges

I wonder I it is still possible to integrate the HSR track with NSE, that will be quite a bit of cost savings for Singapore part, the route is relatively straight (compared with SLE+CTE, or BKE+PIE+KPE), it brings you directly to Marina Bay, and noise pollution will be greatly reduced.

[xtemujin]

Malaysia keen on KL-Singapore high-speed rail link
By Channel NewsAsia's Malaysia Bureau Chief Melissa Goh | Posted: 24 September 2012 Monday | 2303 hrs

KUALA LUMPUR: Malaysia is keen to pursue a high-speed rail link between Kuala Lumpur and Singapore.

Its transport authorities are currently studying various proposals before discussing the matter with their Singapore counterparts.

Mr Kong Cho Ha, Transport Minister of Malaysia, said: "We are seriously talking about all this. They are exploring the possibility and the alignment because there are so many possibilities."

The high-speed rail link is expected to run along the existing North-South Highway and significantly cut travel time by half to under three hours.

Mr Kong admits there's an urgent need to study the feasibility of the project that's first mooted in 2006.

Previous proposals by construction conglomerates, including YTL Corporation and UEM Group, had failed to take off.

Prime Minister Najib Razak had earlier signalled the government's interest in pursuing a high-speed rail link between Kuala Lumpur and Singapore.

The issue may be raised at the upcoming senior officials' meeting between both transport ministries next month.

Meanwhile, according to Malaysia's Land Public Transport Commission SPAD, the project feasibility study will be tendered out next year.

- CNA/de

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stori...227799/1/.html

[y2koh]

Promises... Promises.. Elections coming.