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Old February 3rd, 2016, 04:24 PM   #1681
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I just found out that the design had been revised.

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Old February 3rd, 2016, 04:56 PM   #1682
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--Reminds me of the Standard Oil (Aon) building in Chicago; 1,100 feet tall give or take, and built (at the time) with a skin of white Italian carrara marble.

It looked great.....until years of Chicago winters and summers started popping the panels out. Then they had to replace the whole damn thing with granite.

I'm also reminded of Doty hall at Macalester College in St. Paul MN, which was built (so they say) from a design by a Miami architect; the entire building is on stilts except for the entry lobby. You can imagine what that does in the winter with the wind blowing through it!

-- You'd think at least the planning and zoning departments would have a clue.

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All glass is the current trend and the younger generation who are demanding it tend not to be sophisticated shoppers when it comes to real estate because it's new to them. They see a shiny object and they want it. Only later are they realizing that all glass makes little sense in our climate.

They're sweltering like green houses in the summer and expensive to heat in the winter. Developers are putting them up as fast as they can with little to no attention paid to quality and durability. The life span of most of it is 10-12 years. Some of it will last 20 years while some starts to fail as soon as it's installed. We're already seeing it. Some condo owners get pools of water on their living room floors every time it rains.

In 15 years these people are going to be in for a massive shock when these glass facades fail completely and they need to be replaced. Their condo fees are going to shoot through the roof. Toronto is finally seeing a move away from all glass condo towers but it will be too late for tens of thousands of people.



Consider yourself fortunate. Some of the new all glass condo towers should fair ok, but the bulk of them will be quite problematic over the long term.
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Old February 4th, 2016, 01:17 AM   #1683
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I just found out that the design had been revised.
Looks pretty good.
I welcome any development in that area. It's a hole in the city.
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Old February 4th, 2016, 05:11 AM   #1684
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That area of Toronto will be unrecognizable 5-6 years from now. It's going to be developed all the way to the mouth of the Don River.

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-- You'd think at least the planning and zoning departments would have a clue.
They're surely aware of the problem but inexplicably have allowed developers to build substandard condos any way. My friend works for the Ontario government real estate arm and he says they've known for years.
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Old February 4th, 2016, 05:25 PM   #1685
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Would it be possible that they just allowed that so that condos will not become prohibitively expensive?
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Old February 4th, 2016, 05:39 PM   #1686
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Would it be possible that they just allowed that so that condos will not become prohibitively expensive?
We've managed for 2 centuries to afford real walls in our buildings. This isn't about cost but not having the power and/or interest in enforcing adequate quality standards from our developers.
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Old February 5th, 2016, 07:42 PM   #1687
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Ten York
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Old February 5th, 2016, 08:55 PM   #1688
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I never see you in the other threads Agent, but thanks again for your awesome contributions to this one.
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Old February 5th, 2016, 09:41 PM   #1689
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I just found out that the design had been revised.
That design is probably going to change now too. The Design Review Panel wanted something more iconic, so don't be surprised if we get something different.
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Old February 6th, 2016, 01:18 AM   #1690
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That design is probably going to change now too. The Design Review Panel wanted something more iconic, so don't be surprised if we get something different.
Good to hear. The 2nd design was quite a disappointment after the wow factor of the 1st design.
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Old February 8th, 2016, 07:58 PM   #1691
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I never see you in the other threads Agent, but thanks again for your awesome contributions to this one.
You're welcome! After joining SSC 5 years ago, I'm just a lurker most of the time until I came across the Toronto projects and construction thread. I think it is somewhat under represented in the City/Metro compilations forum so I decided to start updating it.
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It's the section I imagine foreigners go to first when they're curious about cities outside their own country. The Toronto thread was a neglected till you stepped up.
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Old February 9th, 2016, 08:26 PM   #1693
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Old February 9th, 2016, 09:38 PM   #1694
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10 York is evidence of the sheer density of Toronto right now. Who'd have thought a skyscraper could fit in that little flatiron plot in between the Gardiner?

I just wish some of the newer condos would have better claddings. Less of that plasticky spandrel, especially. I can see a lot of then getting reclad after 40 years.

There's that saying: you build it cheap, you build it twice.
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Old February 10th, 2016, 05:47 PM   #1695
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Glass cladding can only last 30 to 40 years. Even iconic buildings in the TD Centre were re-clad after 40 years.

Brick and concrete can last for centuries and is 70% cheaper than glass cladding. The question is, will buyers buy a new condo wrapped in those materials?
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Old February 11th, 2016, 03:48 AM   #1697
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Glass cladding can only last 30 to 40 years. Even iconic buildings in the TD Centre were re-clad after 40 years.

Brick and concrete can last for centuries and is 70% cheaper than glass cladding. The question is, will buyers buy a new condo wrapped in those materials?
I think replacing the TD glass was more to do with energy efficiency, and 1960s glass had problems with that.

The problem is when developers cheap out, they put cheap glass that is just as bad as glass from the 1960s. I think if brick really was cheaper more towers would be clad in that material.
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Brick was used extensively before. Most of the 60's & 70's era highrise apartments in the GTA had this brick or brick like finish on their exteriors. Most of them had this type of brick that has this grey/white glazing on its face. The buildings in the St Jamestown area had this finish.
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Old February 12th, 2016, 01:35 AM   #1699
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Is this even happening? That article and the last post on that thread are from 2013.
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