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Old June 9th, 2007, 07:41 AM   #401
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too bad these kinda tall towers won't be possible anymore...

the city council or whatchamacallit passed a height restriction for North Point, which is the district right by Quarry Bay (where One Island East is)... basically from the harborfront the limit's gonna be 100m, which is about 30 stories, then go up progressively to only frigging 140 at the foothills :-(

here's a Chinese excerpt:
北 角 鸷 地 皮 不 可 建 摩 廈
城 規 會 設 定 北 角 區 高 度 限 制 , 並 依 地 段 不 同 , 所 定 的 高 限 亦 不 同 。 箭 嘴 示 為 北 角 鸷 。
  (星島日報報道)城規會昨日在北角區加入高度限制,並依區內不同地段,設定高限由一百米至一百四十米,避免「一刀切」方法,其中區內主要地皮包括北角鸷地皮、丹拿山鸷重建項目及丹拿道警察宿舍,以致私人發展項目等均受到影響,從此該區不可再建摩廈,而沿海地皮所受影響最大,當中以最貴重的臨海北角鸷地皮為甚,因受到高度限制,除不可建高樓外,地皮身價更有機會縮水,有測量師預期,設高限將令該地皮減值,估價則跌破二百億元。

  由於港島區地皮地勢不同,城規會在北角區設置高限,亦未有「一刀切」形式設定,並按照地段不同,而設立不同的高度限制,以更有效保護山脊铫及可盡量達致「用盡地積比」之效,避免「一刀切」令地皮發
展空間受阻。

  而新設立的高度限制,漸次由沿海地皮的主水平基準以上一百米,向內陸及山腳一帶逐步提升,當中英皇道向海旁方向的物業,高度限制為一百二十米,而接近裵魚涌的英皇道向山腳方向,高限為一百三十米,至於山腳以上用地高限則為一百四十米。

  高度限制設定最高為一百四十米後,物業發展最多可興建約四十六至四十七層高,與現時區內最高商廈友邦廣場達一百八十米,相差「一大截」,而商業項目亦不能豁免,故日後北角區從而摩廈不再。

  是次加入高度限制中,最受影響的沿海地皮,市場預期最快可於下年度放入勾地表的北角鸷地皮,加入高限後只可興建百米住宅大廈,即最多興建約三十多層,而由於地皮受到高度限制影響,地積比能否用盡則成疑問。

  有測量師預期,由於地皮加入高限後,估值將減約一成,直接減低庫房收益,而地皮估值亦由早前的逾二百一十六億元,調低至不足二百億元。

  資深產業測量師彭兆基表示,北角鸷地皮未加入高限前,市場估計每方呎樓面地價逾七千元水平,不過在加入高限後,地皮估價難免下降,直接令庫房收入減少;而美聯測量師行董事林子彬表示,在地皮加入高限,將令未來落成的海景物業供應減少,因而令地皮估價下調,不過由於近年土地市場漸趨活躍,料地皮估價只微減半成,每方呎地價約七千元水平。

  此外,受影響地皮亦有丹拿山鸷重建地盤,早前地皮估值為一百三十四億元,在新增高限一百四十米後,有測量師指,由於地皮距離海旁較遠,發展密度未有大幅調整,故此預計地皮估價維持逾一百三十四億元水平。

  至於丹拿道警察宿舍現仍劃為政府用地,高限只為十二層,測量師認為這只屬反映現況;不過,倘丹拿道警察宿舍未來放入勾地表,政府有機會透過賣地章程更改地皮的發展密度。

  事實上,是次設立建築物高度限制,旨在保護從公眾瞭望點看到的山脊铫景觀,故令臨海地皮保持在較矮的高度,以維持城市設計指引研究所建議的梯級收狀建築物的高度概念,而當局在定出高度限制時,亦已就區內的通風情況作出評估。
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Old June 9th, 2007, 09:14 AM   #402
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They haven't passed it off yet.
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Old June 9th, 2007, 10:04 AM   #403
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Why not to translate this into English?
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Old June 9th, 2007, 01:57 PM   #404
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Why not to translate this into English?
Here's the one from the English paper, which I typed out. You can tell I'm bored....

Taken from South China Morning Post, A1,Saturday June 9th, 2007

Wall effect fear over tall-blocks ban
Planners seek North Point height limit
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Yvonne Liuand Chloe Lai

The value of Hong Kong Island's biggest vacant waterfront site will be cut by about HK$4 billion under a Planning Department proposal to impose a 100-metre building height restriction across North Point.

The North Point Estate site, next to the ferry pier, is one of about 100 sites in the district that are facing the development restriction, amid increasing public concern over the adverse effects of high-density development, such as blocked air flow and reduced sunshine.

But the proposal, released yesterday, does not mention whether there would be a reduction in the plot ratio, which governs the amount of floor space developers are allowed to build on a site.

Town planners and architects, while welcoming the proposal, said imposing a height restriction alone would not stop construction of wall-like tower blocks on the North Point Estate site. They said the government should require air-ventilation assessments and detailed designs as a condition of sale to prevent the creation of a wall effect as developers maximise sea views.

Without the height reduction, developers could build 50-storey residential blocks on the 272,975 sq ft North Point Estate site. Under the proposal, buildings on the site will be limited to about 30 storeys. Surveyor Charles Chan Chiu-kwok said the site was worth HK$24.5 billion, or HK$9,000 per sq ft, without the restriction. But with the height cap, it would be worth about HK$20.4 billion, or HK$7, 500 per sq ft.

According to this calculation, the government will lose HK$4.1 billion from the sale, 30 per cent of last year's total land sales income.

Mr Chan warned that lowering the height of buildings would not necessarily reduce the wall efffect.

"The new rule may create a wall effect as the buildings will get wider without lowering the maximum development density. The government and public have to weigh which one is more important."

The Housing Authority annoucned in 2000 that the estate would be redeveloped. The last tenants moved out in 2002 to allow its demolition.

Also in 2002, the authority decided to return the prime site to the government for sale for private residential development.

The plot ratio of the site could reach 10 under the Buildings Ordinance for private housing. This would provide a total gross floor area of 2,729,750 sq ft, similar to the total floor area of the two office blocks of the International Finance Centre.

Vincent Ng Wing-shun, former president of the Hong Kong Institute of Architects, expressed concern about wall-effect buildings.

"Developers have a tendancy to maximise sea-view units. They must make sure no towers will be blocking the sea view of the other towers so the outcome will be the buildings will be in a line, creating a wall effect."

The Planning Department has speeded up the process of imposing development controls across the city since last year. Kowloon Tong, The Peak, Happy Valley and Quarry Bay have seen restrictions imposed.
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Old June 9th, 2007, 01:59 PM   #405
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100m height limit, cant rally see this happening, is there any height limits inposed in Hong Kong
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There are by the Tsuen Wan areas, but they're "high" limits. The Nina/Teddy Tower was initially planned to be the world's tallest (at that point in time) but its final height was reduced due to a height limit in place. Planes fly over and around there, coming in and going out of Chek Lap Kok (I think? Someone else can confirm that one). Most other height limits in Hong Kong still exist due to promixity to the airport/route of airlines restrictions.

This is one of the only few whereby it exists for other reason - the Peak, being another (exclusivity).
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Old June 9th, 2007, 02:57 PM   #407
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It is visible form the peak ,pics are taken by wing-512 @ dcfever.com
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only 100m that's unacceptable
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Old June 9th, 2007, 07:21 PM   #409
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Old June 9th, 2007, 07:41 PM   #410
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There are by the Tsuen Wan areas, but they're "high" limits. The Nina/Teddy Tower was initially planned to be the world's tallest (at that point in time) but its final height was reduced due to a height limit in place. Planes fly over and around there, coming in and going out of Chek Lap Kok (I think? Someone else can confirm that one). Most other height limits in Hong Kong still exist due to promixity to the airport/route of airlines restrictions.

This is one of the only few whereby it exists for other reason - the Peak, being another (exclusivity).
Are there not also limits in Kowloon Tong, that's what I hear.

Anyway, for a waterfront section of HK, and only one district to do this. It is very backwards thinking. Instead they should be designing tall towers to accomodate the environmental setbacks.

Design buildings to promote airflow and reduce the effects of less sunshine! That's how progress is made, not keeping towers below 30 meager stories.
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It's rising pretty fast now isn't it?
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Yes Kowloon Tong is another area that has a very strict height limit... I think now it's about 13-15 stories max.
Peak and Midlevels nowadays have height concerns as well, mainly coz the roads that lead up the mountain are narrow and one-lane each way, so it makes no traffic sense to build tall.

Should we write a public letter and send it to some newspaper or sth as a group to protest? just a thought.
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