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[Leeds No.1]

Where did you hear that? I hope not, but if it has to happen I hope new quality units are built to rehouse them.

I hope that Optare can provide the trolleybuses. Clearly it would make sense for a Leeds bus-maker to benefit from such a scheme.

[Skychaser 2005]

Originally Posted by Suburban Knight

weren't there plans for the little row of shops on Hyde Park Corner to be demolished as part of this? I'm a bit concerned about that - those are peoples livelihoods and useful for the community!

When Supertram was proposed, it would have meant that row of shops would have been demolished. Don't know if this is the case with the T bus plans.

[Leeds No.1]

Either way, I would argue that safety needs to be improved at that junction.

[Mister City]

Originally Posted by Skychaser 2005

When Supertram was proposed, it would have meant that row of shops would have been demolished. Don't know if this is the case with the T bus plans.

Which row of shops at Hyde Park Corner? The shops on the same side of the pub or the other side?

Also, were there any plans to demolish the buildings opposite the Parkonson Building when the Supertram was proposed? My friend said there were but I don't remember!!

[riclam]

Originally Posted by Leeds No.1

Where did you hear that? I hope not, but if it has to happen I hope new quality units are built to rehouse them.

I hope that Optare can provide the trolleybuses. Clearly it would make sense for a Leeds bus-maker to benefit from such a scheme.

I doubt they will, optare has never benefitted majorly from metro or even yorkshire rider despite been on their doorstep. I hear their products lack in quality in anycase

[yorkshireriderleeds]

When people comment about the cost of this trolleybus route it is actually all the changes to the road infrastructure which have pushed up the cost. It is designed for conversion to a tramway if needed in the future. The trolleybuses will be articulated, possibly in three sections like the latest ones in Zurich. The turning circle at Holt Park takes this into account.

[Skychaser 2005]

Anyone got an up to date route map for the T bus with all the stops on?

[Aaronj09]

Not sure how recent this is?

[SalsaShark]

Originally Posted by Mister City

Which row of shops at Hyde Park Corner? The shops on the same side of the pub or the other side?

If I remember correctly I think it was the row of shops that are at the Headingley end of Hyde Park Corner. If you driving out of the city centre you pass the Hyde Park pub on the right, then Victoria Road turns off to the left, and it's the row of shops immediately after Victoria Road, where The Final Curtain and Jean Crowther were. (Possibly still are... but were when Google Street View took its photos).

[Leeds No.1]

With regards to those shops, I'm not sure I'd be against their demolition. The petrol station needs something doing with it too.

What's the point in having a stop at Lower Briggate and Trinity? Surely a stop for Trinity and another at Bridge End would be better.

[lazygamer]

Originally Posted by Leeds No.1

With regards to those shops, I'm not sure I'd be against their demolition. The petrol station needs something doing with it too.

What's the point in having a stop at Lower Briggate and Trinity? Surely a stop for Trinity and another at Bridge End would be better.

They're proposed stops. It might still be up in the air as to which one they pick, or alternatively one is northbound the other southbound. Otherwise having both stops for both directions would be a bit silly.

[Leeds No.1]

It would be but it reminds me of Piccadilly Gardens/Market Street/Moseley Street tram stops in Manchester. Really, there only needs to be one stop for these three. They're far too close together. I wouldn't want Leeds to make the same mistake.

[Mister City]

Originally Posted by Leeds No.1

It would be but it reminds me of Piccadilly Gardens/Market Street/Moseley Street tram stops in Manchester. Really, there only needs to be one stop for these three. They're far too close together. I wouldn't want Leeds to make the same mistake.

I think you should e-mail them to express your views and to make that suggestion of a stop at Bridge End.

[Aaronj09]

Saw these on a website

[Leeds No.1]

Nice to see some visualisations, although I hope all stops have a station-like presence to help reinforce the permanence of the scheme.

Not necessarily a roof, but something similar to a tram stop. The entire experience needs to be significantly different from using the bus.

[LeedsLad]

Seems once we have the main 2 routes built, then incremental extentions to perhaps the Airport/St James Hospital/beyond Stourton P&R could be added relatively easily/cheaply...

Note the "Civic" stop is very close to the arena, for all those whining about the site of the Arena with no public transport... Will be connected to the P&R sites, with buses to run to midnight. Or jump on from Civic Square to connect from the station...

Wonder how much it would cost to stretch wires a bit further up to the airport? Would only need the wires and one extra station.

[Leeds No.1]

Depends on the route they took, and presumably some sort of road improvements would need to be carried out for it to reach the airport.

I don't think NGT shouldn't be connected to the airport, but I don't think it will really do the job of connecting the airport to the public transport network. It needs a rail connection, and if it can't have that, the next best thing would be a bus connection to Horsforth and/or Guiseley. This is about connecting it nationally, not so much to the rest of Leeds.

[martin2345uk]

Just in case there's anyone not familiar with the more modern style of trolleybus, here's a YouTube video of Lyon's current system...

Can Leeds expect something along these lines?

[Leeds No.1]

Yes I expect something similar to the articulated vehicles, although I'm hoping for more prominence in terms of busways and bus stops. It's important that NGT is seen by other road users and passengers alike as distinctly different from a bus.

[Electric_City]

I think the vehicles might look physically similar, but I doubt they would use those hub motors. Although there are advantages (easier to design with a continous low floor, for example) hub motors are quite noisy (as you can hear from the video) and have proven to use more energy. Or at least those particular ones have.

I believe that the current trend is to go with the more traditional arrangement of having just one motor per vehicle, with a drive shaft.