St. Pauls Place Construction Thread - Page 13

***dinp*** · February 22nd, 2007, 08:05 PM

I suppose if landmark buildings such as the St Pauls tower were designed to be radical, there is always the risk of it dating more quickly than a tried-and-tested kind of building. Of course the opposite could be the outcome, but I think they've tried to play it safe on this project, without being too dull about it.

I'm sure the promotional material for the tower says that it was designed to be 'timeless'. Providing there is the possibility of recladding the buildings in the future if required, I don't see why they shouldn't stay for the long term.

hella good · February 22nd, 2007, 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tom85

Is anyone else ever so slighty disapointed with the whole st pauls city lofts project?

nope

tom85 · February 22nd, 2007, 08:37 PM

I suppose I'm not questioning weather they will be there for the long term I imagin they will have a lifespan of about 30 years much like the egg box did and so many other sixties buildings. they will be there until the next economic boom in the business cycle and another buliding spree starts. But while they are knock down and replaced again the one building that will remain and never look tatty will be the town hall so thats a plus!

I really hope city lofts and st pauls looks good but the only feature I think is great or deserves its location is the carpark I really do think it is great.

The really issue I have with city lofts is that it is cladded surely that should scream No! to everyone apart from the information commons I don't know of another good quality (quality being the key word) cladded building.

Cladding is only used to cover up cheap materials and low quality labour forces isn't it?

hella good · February 22nd, 2007, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tom85

Cladding is only used to cover up cheap materials and low quality labour forces isn't it?

lol well tecnically its to keep the weather out of the building and to keep people in.

but i understand your thoughts on the project. but i personally think it will be great.

Bladerunner · February 22nd, 2007, 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dinp

I'm sure the promotional material for the tower says that it was designed to be 'timeless'. Providing there is the possibility of recladding the buildings in the future if required, I don't see why they shouldn't stay for the long term.

True - the oldest skyscrapers in New York are approaching 100 years old now, and the ones that remain still look great.

paulmat · February 24th, 2007, 11:33 AM

They need to build taller building's to last really, cause of the cost of demolition. With smaller building's, they can be quite easily and cheaply demolished and replaced, but with building's 100m tall, it's a lot harder. (You saw how tedious it was demolishing sheaf house, and that wasn't particularly tall).

I'm afraid I don't fully agree with you Tom. St. Pauls 1, although it's not a radical design, I think it's quite interesting, and the cladding (sandstone) is the same as on the Town Hall.

With the hotel, it looks quite modern, and not overwhelming. Possibly it was a wasted chance, but what would you put there instead? The cladding (on the town hall side) is again sandstone, but i've heard reports that the quality of the actual building isn't good. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Andymarsden1 · February 24th, 2007, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tom85

I suppose

The really issue I have with city lofts is that it is cladded surely that should scream No! to everyone apart from the information commons I don't know of another good quality (quality being the key word) cladded building.

Cladding is only used to cover up cheap materials and low quality labour forces isn't it?

Just about every skyscraper is cladded otherwise you would just see steel.

Unisol · February 25th, 2007, 10:47 AM

Not sure if this is common knowledge, but the BIG HOLE is to accomodate the underground casino.

Sounds cool!

paulmat · February 25th, 2007, 11:22 AM

I didnt think the casino was underground. I thought it was at street level onto arundel gate. But I could well be wrong.

jozblade · February 25th, 2007, 12:11 PM

Maybe there is a floor below ground as well as street level then?

hella good · February 25th, 2007, 10:14 PM

yes it will be on both levels, it is partly due to the incline of the land:

as you can see here there is a level below millenium square:

lewisskinner · February 26th, 2007, 04:02 AM

Ah, that does make sense. We finally get why they appeared to be digging a 8m+ hole for a 30m carpark!

SheffCity · February 26th, 2007, 01:44 PM

Just had another wander past over dinner. Tower site is definately devoid of any activity.

There is however still an awful lot of activity on the other half of the site. Looks like the car park/offices are well and truly under way.

lewisskinner · February 26th, 2007, 02:19 PM

I think office 2 is underway, don't think 3 is. The car par (casino) clearly is.

skyfitsboy · February 26th, 2007, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by keithmdw

Just had another wander past over dinner. Tower site is definately devoid of any activity.

There is however still an awful lot of activity on the other half of the site. Looks like the car park/offices are well and truly under way.

It's just the carpark under construction isn't it or is it the 2nd office block also?

PaulP · February 26th, 2007, 04:06 PM

Today's picture...
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SheffCity · February 26th, 2007, 04:21 PM

That hole does look like it's under both the car park and 2nd office block. It's just not close enough to the road to be the car park surely?

roneys_today · February 26th, 2007, 05:43 PM

the area in the hole marked out by the long pieces of wood looks to be the shape of the square which will rise above it. it matches the site plan diagram posted recently in the city lofts thread. the site is still quite hard to figure out but knowing the size of the square does help.

hella good · February 26th, 2007, 07:48 PM

yes. i can say with some certanty that the section in the middle is the square. and i can also clarify that the car park is under construction as i have seen them drilling the piles down along the road side of the site, and pumping them with concrete. bt the 2nd office building is definatley not under construction yet though.

skyfitsboy · February 26th, 2007, 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hella good

yes. i can say with some certanty that the section in the middle is the square. and i can also clarify that the car park is under construction as i have seen them drilling the piles down along the road side of the site, and pumping them with concrete. bt the 2nd office building is definatley not under construction yet though.

Any idea when the second office block starts?

February 22nd, 2007, 08:05 PM	#241
*dinp* Go! Limo! Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Corby Posts: 8,648 Likes (Received): 17	I suppose if landmark buildings such as the St Pauls tower were designed to be radical, there is always the risk of it dating more quickly than a tried-and-tested kind of building. Of course the opposite could be the outcome, but I think they've tried to play it safe on this project, without being too dull about it. I'm sure the promotional material for the tower says that it was designed to be 'timeless'. Providing there is the possibility of recladding the buildings in the future if required, I don't see why they shouldn't stay for the long term. __________________ CORBY, Northamptonshire The road to Downing Street apparently runs through Corby, but if you prefer public transport, its only 70 mins direct from London & Derby by rail. For more info on Corby as part of the 'North Londonshire' campaign, click here... The views posted here probably differ from those of my employer. Heck, they probably even differ from my own. Always take dinp with a pinch of salt

February 22nd, 2007, 08:37 PM	#243
tom85 The Real Robin Hood Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Sheffield/Newcastle Posts: 551 Likes (Received): 0	I suppose I'm not questioning weather they will be there for the long term I imagin they will have a lifespan of about 30 years much like the egg box did and so many other sixties buildings. they will be there until the next economic boom in the business cycle and another buliding spree starts. But while they are knock down and replaced again the one building that will remain and never look tatty will be the town hall so thats a plus! I really hope city lofts and st pauls looks good but the only feature I think is great or deserves its location is the carpark I really do think it is great. The really issue I have with city lofts is that it is cladded surely that should scream No! to everyone apart from the information commons I don't know of another good quality (quality being the key word) cladded building. Cladding is only used to cover up cheap materials and low quality labour forces isn't it? __________________ Sheffield, Englands sleeping Giant!

February 25th, 2007, 10:47 AM	#248
Unisol Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sheffield of course! Posts: 594 Likes (Received): 0	Not sure if this is common knowledge, but the BIG HOLE is to accomodate the underground casino. Sounds cool! __________________ Rent this space

February 25th, 2007, 10:14 PM	#251
hella good PUT YOUR PAWS UP Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Sheffield! Posts: 11,903 Likes (Received): 11	yes it will be on both levels, it is partly due to the incline of the land: as you can see here there is a level below millenium square: __________________ ARTPOP

February 26th, 2007, 04:02 AM	#252
lewisskinner do me bad things Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Sheffield 6 Posts: 7,293 Likes (Received): 0	Ah, that does make sense. We finally get why they appeared to be digging a 8m+ hole for a 30m carpark! __________________ SHEFFIELD: If only Orwell could see us now... Stop looking for the pot... Enjoy the Rainbow I've rather stupidly agreed to walk from Sheffield to Lille for charity. Won't you please, click here to sponsor me? All proceeds to the MS Society

February 24th, 2007, 11:33 AM	#246
paulmat ß∂NNED Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Sheffield/Leeds Posts: 11,521 Likes (Received): 1	They need to build taller building's to last really, cause of the cost of demolition. With smaller building's, they can be quite easily and cheaply demolished and replaced, but with building's 100m tall, it's a lot harder. (You saw how tedious it was demolishing sheaf house, and that wasn't particularly tall). I'm afraid I don't fully agree with you Tom. St. Pauls 1, although it's not a radical design, I think it's quite interesting, and the cladding (sandstone) is the same as on the Town Hall. With the hotel, it looks quite modern, and not overwhelming. Possibly it was a wasted chance, but what would you put there instead? The cladding (on the town hall side) is again sandstone, but i've heard reports that the quality of the actual building isn't good. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

February 25th, 2007, 11:22 AM	#249
paulmat ß∂NNED Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Sheffield/Leeds Posts: 11,521 Likes (Received): 1	I didnt think the casino was underground. I thought it was at street level onto arundel gate. But I could well be wrong.

February 25th, 2007, 12:11 PM	#250
jozblade Unregistered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Rotherham Posts: 4,056 Likes (Received): 0	Maybe there is a floor below ground as well as street level then?

February 26th, 2007, 01:44 PM	#253
SheffCity Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,640 Likes (Received): 0	Just had another wander past over dinner. Tower site is definately devoid of any activity. There is however still an awful lot of activity on the other half of the site. Looks like the car park/offices are well and truly under way.

February 26th, 2007, 02:19 PM	#254
lewisskinner do me bad things Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Sheffield 6 Posts: 7,293 Likes (Received): 0	I think office 2 is underway, don't think 3 is. The car par (casino) clearly is. __________________ SHEFFIELD: If only Orwell could see us now... Stop looking for the pot... Enjoy the Rainbow I've rather stupidly agreed to walk from Sheffield to Lille for charity. Won't you please, click here to sponsor me? All proceeds to the MS Society

February 26th, 2007, 04:06 PM	#256
PaulP Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Sheffield, UK Posts: 1,464 Likes (Received): 3	Today's picture... today.jpg

February 26th, 2007, 04:21 PM	#257
SheffCity Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,640 Likes (Received): 0	That hole does look like it's under both the car park and 2nd office block. It's just not close enough to the road to be the car park surely?

February 26th, 2007, 05:43 PM	#258
roneys_today Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: sheffield/hong kong Posts: 744 Likes (Received): 0	the area in the hole marked out by the long pieces of wood looks to be the shape of the square which will rise above it. it matches the site plan diagram posted recently in the city lofts thread. the site is still quite hard to figure out but knowing the size of the square does help.

February 26th, 2007, 07:48 PM	#259
hella good PUT YOUR PAWS UP Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Sheffield! Posts: 11,903 Likes (Received): 11	yes. i can say with some certanty that the section in the middle is the square. and i can also clarify that the car park is under construction as i have seen them drilling the piles down along the road side of the site, and pumping them with concrete. bt the 2nd office building is definatley not under construction yet though. __________________ ARTPOP

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