San Diego Development News 5

[mongozx]

. . . .and still going strong!

Earlier SD Development Threads:

SD Development Thread News I
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=233950

SD Development Thread News II
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...&page=25&pp=20

SD Development News III
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...7&page=1&pp=20

SD Development News IV
http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread...=338050&page=1

[SDfan]

Wow, that first thread was started a little over a year ago. That brings back memories...

[dtsd]

Decision delayed on Broadway site

By Dani Dodge
STAFF WRITER

July 27, 2006

Instead of moving developer Doug Manchester's Navy Broadway Complex proposal forward yesterday, the Centre City Development Corp. board put the brakes on and voted – for a new round of meetings and a delay in making a decision.

Some also expressed reservations about the development, dubbed Pacific Gateway.

“This level of density ... is unbecoming for San Diego's front porch,” said board Chairwoman Jennifer LeSar. “Many feel this should be public open space and for civic uses. I'm one of those.”

LeSar also said the city's downtown redevelopment agency should consider looking for a more suitable location for the Navy's headquarters. At least one board member differed with her on that point, but all agreed they needed more time to consider the proposal because of its importance to the image of downtown and its waterfront.

The Navy owns the 14.7-acre parcel on the waterfront bounded by Broadway, Harbor Drive and Pacific Highway, but it has given Manchester the rights to develop the land in exchange for building the Navy a new Region Southwest Command headquarters. Before Manchester can develop the site, he must get a ruling from the Centre City Development Corp. board, which acts as San Diego's downtown redevelopment arm, that the proposal meets development requirements for the site drawn up 14 years ago.

Four of the five members of the board met yesterday in their capacity as the agency's real estate committee to consider a staff recommendation for approval of the project, but with a number of conditions, including creating more attractive architecture. With member Bob McNeely absent, the board voted for more meetings and research.

“Why should we rush to judgment?” said board member Fred Maas. “This project has had more face-lifts than Joan Rivers.”

Navy Capt. Mike Allen warned board members that they have to either approve Manchester's proposal – with the Navy on site – or they could lose all control of the property. The Navy has until January to get a signed lease agreement for the property or it will revert to a Base Realignment and Closure disposal process, in which the military and federal agencies have first dibs on the land.

“You will go from a win-win,” Allen said, “to a lose-lose.”

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniont...s_1m27nbc.html

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Of course the Navy is using BRAC scare tactics when the Navy is in fact the one with the most to lose. Especially when the overwhelming majority of the time the land goes to the municipality, and most likely for free. They talk about federal agencies getting dibs to the property but conveniently do not mention that 80% of the time that doesn’t happen.

I find it interesting that even CCDC, with their great stake in the project, is expressing reservations. When this goes before the city council we can expect a much greater degree of objective criticism.

[JAB323]

You guys know there is no more post limit, right?

[bushman61988]

Hey SDFan, where did u find the info about Monaco and that Riveria project? i cant find it anywhere or at least dont know where to look on the CCDC projects map or the main website.

[SDfan]

Originally Posted by bushman61988

Hey SDFan, where did u find the info about Monaco and that Riveria project? i cant find it anywhere or at least dont know where to look on the CCDC projects map or the main website.

http://www.ccdc.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/projects.home

The map tends to be updated less then this list. The Monaco is in the Core list, and the Riveria project is in the Cortez Hill list.

[SDfan]

Oh and how you find that site:

Go to main page
Look at the upper-left hand side
Click "All Projects"

And there you go.

[SDfan]

Project List:

UNDER CONSTRUCTION:

Ivy Hotel


Smart Corner


Aperture


Park Terrace


Vantage Pointe


Nexus


Icon


Hilton Hotel


Residence Inn (?)


Hard Rock Hotel


Diegan Hotel


Breeza


Aria


Alta


Marriott Renaissance


The Mark


The Legend


Diamond View


Electra


Cosmopalitian


Pier


Sappire Tower


Market Street Village


Current (Hanover Apartments)


Courthouse Expansion



PROPOSED AND/OR APPROVED:

Triangle


Main Library


Bayside


Pacific Hwy & E


Embassy1414


Pinnacle Project


Strata


Library Tower


Mondrian


MetroLive


Front & Ash


16th & Market


16th and Island


Echelon


17th & G (Avion)


Pacific Gateway


17th & G (intercorp)


India & Beech


UNKNOWN:

Bosa Project


SDCC


Citi Point


11th & B


Two America Plaza


Ballpark Village


Pacific Pointe


Spinnaker Hotel


Laudry Lofts


OUTSIDE DOWNTOWN:

La Jolla Commons (University City)


Qualcomm Tower (Sorrento Mesa)


Park Village (National City)


Sunroad Centrum 12 Floors (U/C Now in Kearny Mesa)

[SDfan]

And I still have more to add, but I need to load them to Photobucket. I also have to tweak with that list as well, some more of those projects should be in the "Unknown" category. So its going to change later, just give suggestions.

[SDfan]

Oh and since I haven't posted enough in this thread already...

About the Post Limit, their is a prefered limit of 500 posts per thread. We could go on, but the mods prefer we stop at 500, or at least thats what history has shown.

(All the previous threads were 500+/-)

[mongozx]

Both Pier and Sapphire are under construction.

Sapphire


Pier-You can't see it in the webcam but I believe it's there. . .

[1904]

hello everyone - i'm new to this forum. i've been silently watching and reading the SD thread for a little over a yr. now. i've watched it grow and grow. i'm proud to see what this lil' community forum has become. wow - it's nice to see people w/ the same interest as myself. i've procrastinated to long to join and now i can say i'm finally here. i love san diego w/ a passion! right now i'm living in riverside county and to be honest w/ you guys you cannot truly appreciate SD until you move out. but, one day i shall return!!!

[mongozx]

welcome, 1904! were you born in 1904?

CCDC had just had their monthly board meeting here's the program.

There were a few new projects mentioned that I never heard of. Are they new proposals???

Solara Towers 23 stories mixed use in Cortez Hill

15th & Market 22 stories mixed use in East Village

Wonderbread 19 stories mixed use in East Village

India & Beech 27 stories condos in Little Italy

Plus the little known Monaco and Riviera (34 & 37 stories respectively) in Cortez and Core neighborhoods were also mentioned. It's good to see more and more mixed use proposals. Perhaps the developers had read my pro-mixed use rants in the earlier threads.

[chicbicyclist]

Are those all the proposals? It woulkd be interesting know the ratio of mixed-use to other type of stuff.

[hngcm]

I <3 metrolive.

[sd_urban]

Nice job of re-posting all of the projects, SDfan!


A couple of projects that will soon be moving into the U/C category:

-Strata - http://www.stratacondos.com/index.html

-Bayside at the Embarcadero - http://www.baysidebybosa.com/


The ones that are beyond proposal stage and have been approved:

- Pinnacle Project

- Library Tower


Here's another one to add to the projects outside of downtown:

Sunroad Centrum 12 Floors (U/C Now in Kearny Mesa)




More mystery projects with little known info from San Diego Metro Magazine:

Megablock. Simplon is considering development of the block bounded by 16th, 17th, F and G streets in Downtown San Diego. Preliminary plans, which have been submitted to Centre City Development Corp., are for a mixed-use high-rise project by Austin Veum Robbins architects. The proposed project has not been entitled.

Shapery Park Tower. 12th and A Partners has submitted plans for a 39-story building with 138 condominium units on the north east corner of Eleventh Avenue and A Street.

Wonderbread. CityMark Development is planning to build 200 condominiums on the east side of 14th Avenue between L and Imperial. Call (619) 238-3662 or visit www.citymarkdev.com .

[bushman61988]

Originally Posted by hngcm

I <3 metrolive.

I completely agree, this is probably my favorite high rise project downtown, and will be a beautiful, unique addition to the skyline if built.
I've never seen the India and Beech project, and it's still not on the CCDC website as far as I know. If it's the project some in the forum were talking about that is blocks the hideous view of the back of the Allegro Tower, i'm all for it. and that unnamed Bosa project looks very...Bosa.

So are all these projects that are waiting to be approved eventually going to be approved, cuz i thought the condo market was cooling off and some of these projects arent gonna happen. IMO, its sad if some of these projects are cancelled like Pacific Pointe, or the Pinnacle Project; but then i look at some of the other projects like Citipoint and i really hope the market will take the developers out of the downtown market.

And thanks SDfan for the updates and directing me to the info on 34-story Monaco and 37-story Riveria. but i went to the CCDC News Digest
http://www.ccdc.com/resources/resour...t_20060727.pdf
and i heard that the 34-story Monaco that the CCDC map said was suppose to be 500 feet is actually 350 feet. I hope not...

[SDfan]

Okay. I added and changed the list a bit, Sunroad was added, also. I forgot about that, thanks for the reminder sd_urban. Oh and Im looking for the redering of that Hillcrest Project...I lost it...So if anyone has it, post it and I will list it.
I also retitled the Proposed section to 'Proposed and/or Approved' just to bunch them together.

And bushman, I have a strange feeling that the 350ft is right. Although I don't know how that land is 150ft in elevation. I hope its 500ft, but I doubt it...to many false calls before.

[keg92101]

Originally Posted by dtsd

Of course the Navy is using BRAC scare tactics when the Navy is in fact the one with the most to lose. Especially when the overwhelming majority of the time the land goes to the municipality, and most likely for free. They talk about federal agencies getting dibs to the property but conveniently do not mention that 80% of the time that doesn’t happen.

I find it interesting that even CCDC, with their great stake in the project, is expressing reservations. When this goes before the city council we can expect a much greater degree of objective criticism.

Yes, but what I am sure that holds true is that 80% of the time the land is not as Prime of a location as the NBC location! You don't think that any Federal Agency would want it? Oh, and then the Indians? I'm sure a great big casino (which is tourist industry and allowed within coastal zones) would be lovely! Oh, one might ask, BRAC closed the old Naval Training Center and no agencies took that! Yeah, but there was $50 million dollars worth of demo/abatement, just in the public areas (I know because my firm did the work), not including all demo and abatement that is continuing (again, I know because we just finshed a $2 million demo/abatement contract on my project @ Liberty Station)

So, all those people who aren't getting 100% their way and suggesting that BRAC is the way to go because of this 80% statistic, don't be so sure. Remember, the 1992 Development Agreement that eveyone says is out of date calls for only, what, 1.6 acres of open space. Manchester/Genlser is saying, "Your right, it is out of date. So we are going to give 5.5 acres of open space!"

I think the real issue here, is not the amount of open space, but the overall sight design, which is very subjective. I hapen to like the way the open space works, with multiple piazas, walkways, green areas, and one large park, rather than nothing but one large park. But again, that is very subjective.

As for IF CCDC is reserved or not, we'll see. It is great that they are letting everyone weigh in one last time, but again, design is subjective, and the architect and developer are going to do what they like with in the program parrameters (Development agreement)

CHEERS

[crawf]

very impressive