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Old July 1st, 2009, 06:49 PM   #1141
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China's media is one of the few I've seen to be truly unbiased, reporting the facts and showing both sides. It's pretty obvious when they're not, unlike with the always biased Western media, with different levels of bias depending on whatever the situation is.
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Lanko Intl Mansion, 330m. By Esquire
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Old July 10th, 2009, 06:23 PM   #1143
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Sheraton IBC, 2x218m. July 5th by idq
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Old July 10th, 2009, 06:29 PM   #1144
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Pics by Childish_King. July 7th.

Changjiang International, 2x195m. They will host a Radisson Hotel.






Lanko Complex in the middle. 258m, 163m, 142m
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Century Emperor, 196m. July 7th by Childish King.
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Old July 17th, 2009, 05:47 PM   #1146
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C C Land, New World China to build hotel in Chongqing
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C C Land Holdings has teamed up with New World China Land to build a hotel project in Yubei District, Chongqing.

According to the agreement, C C Land will acquire a 20% stake in the hotel project for RMB51.6 million or RMB3,200 per square meter of potential floor area.

The project, which should be 80,661 square meter in size, will be completed in 2012 and will consist of a five-star hotel, an extended-stay hotel and 500 parking spaces. Note that there is a dearth of suitable hotels in the area. Holiday Inn North Chongqing is perhaps the only international business hotel in North Chongqing.

The hotel project is part of C C Land's mixed-use property project in Chongqing's Yubei District. The project will be made up of shopping malls, hotels, office buildings and apartments.

Alibaba.com reports that on June 29 C C Land gained approval to issue corporate bonds worth up to RMB790 million. The proceeds will be used to develop the project, to repay some loans and to replenish working capital.
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Old July 18th, 2009, 10:29 AM   #1147
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Holiday Inn North Chongqing is perhaps the only international business hotel in North Chongqing.
Bullshit. There're at least 6 luxury five-star hotels in North Chongqing alone, not to mention four-star and lower end hotels. Furthermore, Holiday Inn has three outlets in North Chongqing alone but all of them are either four-star or three-star hotels. Interesting that it was picked as the only international business hotel over there.

It's true that there's a dearth of high end hotels in the area, but it's mainly due to a big boom of business and tourism activites in North Chongqing.

Shocked by ignorance of this journalist anyway.
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Old July 18th, 2009, 11:10 PM   #1148
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This is the problem. Even though there are cases of censorship in Chinese media (and elsewhere or course), all people in China are fully aware of the fact that the media are supervised by the government, and thus read them with "a pinch of salt". In the West, most people believe that the media always tells the truth, when you generally see as much or even more bias in Western media than in Chinese media.
I fully agree. The same was true with the former centralized communist states in Eastern Europe. In those countries, people were aware that it was basically a big joke, or as some have put it more directly opposed to how the things were there; "people knew who the enemy was". In the west (to the extent that term is still applicable) it is more subtle and people have a tendency to for some reason believe both media and government. Despite things going on that are in cases not any less worse than some issues in say the former USSR, altough it is more soft in nature, the implications are the same.

Of course, the media isnt and won't be perfect. Objectivity is a beautiful ideal but it is not realistic to rely on or expect it. It is better to just realize that different sources provide different sides, and to read different perspectives and put together your own image. In the west the nuances are different in nature in the media, but they are rest assured there, private owners or state ones doesnt matter. Beside if the bias or subjectivity doesnt come from the owner, it comes from the author/producer, albeit it is more often a bigger issue that the owner or the people they put in place change articles, decide what is published etc. But as you said, people for some reason have a tendency to have a certain trust which is far from always justified. People who live in a place where this is more obvious, like China, or the former communist Eastern Europe, tend to be more aware of that.

I also feel the programming has gotten worse, but who knows, that might change.

As for the closing of the "theme park". Who cares. Businesses cannot be allowed to anything they want to. Things that are bad and good need to be able to be separated, this is a process of democracy. Altough I doubt that was how this got shut down, how many of the locals do you think would find that acceptable or good for their community? The idea itself is pretty pathetic if you ask me.


By the way, is there a law in Chongqing that all cars have to be yellow, or are just taxis popular?



As for the worlds longest arch bridge, the lighting looks horrible.

What is the financial street planned for, banking? I mean why come the name; financial street.

There is a lot left to be done and a lot going on in this city, il check back.
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Old July 19th, 2009, 02:12 AM   #1149
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This one will be far taller than expected. 260m.



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Old July 19th, 2009, 01:27 PM   #1150
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This one is still on the way. 1x200m+, 52 floors; 2x42 floors and 1x30 floors they said. Still under design.
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Old July 19th, 2009, 03:50 PM   #1151
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By the way, is there a law in Chongqing that all cars have to be yellow, or are just taxis popular?
Neither in fact. Few would choose to drive through a commericial centre where traffic jams could happen to be horrible. Taxis on the other hand has to go to commercial centre to grasp customers.

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I don't agree.

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It's planned for all the companies that have demand on office space. It's called financial street because you can see slogans of many Chinese and foreign financial institutions in every angle when you stand there. That area feels quite business-oriented. Surely, It's Chongqing's first CBD.

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Obviously. Welcome back.

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Old July 19th, 2009, 08:05 PM   #1152
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i think that the next thing that we should expect from the Chinese is to bring to the world a new way of life society and politically in order to really dominate the world to give to other country on alternative to the western style cause i live in Canada and i really don't think that china have to embrace the western waye of life instead you guy most be driving by your culture who is really powerful to shape your society in your way of life and you should always know that democracy is an evolution not a revolution is better for you to take time to bring a real democracies balance to your country then to destabilize your country by listen to western people who want you to be like them remember you guy are the older civilization that mean you know better then that
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Old July 20th, 2009, 07:16 AM   #1153
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with more and more skyscrapers and high rise going up across China, China may needed something like 4~5 dozen nuclear power station,relying on coal alone will be environmental catastropy but also inefficient.
unless each building has small wind power turbine,cutting energy consumption per building by as much 15`20%
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Old July 21st, 2009, 12:20 PM   #1154
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actually China's new coal power stations are much cleaner than normal coal power, as with all new coal powered projects they are nowhere near the emmissions of old. Its also looking into burying the carbon, which is a new technology. Britain is also starting up on 'clean' coal again, even though its one of the most successful countries in cutting carbon emmissions.

China is already the worlds largest hydroelectricity generator, and fast becoming one of the greenest power countries - its wind power will overtake US production within this year, to become the worlds largest producer, its solar power will become the second largest, equalling Japan by 2010.


btw China's carbon emmissions are still only 1/3 of EU rates per capita, and 1/5 of American levels, even despite the fact its the worlds factory, whereby a country's pollution is 'exported' to China by foreign companies commissioning and buying up the products.

China very much realises the consequences of the recent industrial revolution - there were a record 200,000 demonstrations in 2007 on environmental issues, and there are an estimated few hundred thousand grass roots eco-groups operating in the country (usually made up of disgruntled workers and local residents). Thanks to these groups, that are employed by the govt as a form of reporting and policing, the Party has now one of the fastest growing, most lucrative (and ruthless) new political lobbies. This environmental arm has some of the strictest green laws in the world, and is currently changing the face of Chinese cities across the realm. However it knows its limitations, and claims 90% of its laws are unenforcable due to corruption - it also states 5% of China's GDP is lost every year due to environmental issues, a stat that has put ecology at the top of the agenda since 2007.

However its increasingly winning support from its traditionally rival pro-development lobby - China (and the world) knows it has no economic future if it reaches US levels of waste and consumption, whereby there isn't enough resources in the world.

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Old July 21st, 2009, 03:24 PM   #1155
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actually China's new coal power stations are much cleaner than normal coal power, as with all new coal powered projects they are nowhere near the emmissions of old. Its also looking into burying the carbon, which is a new technology. Britain is also starting up on 'clean' coal again, even though its one of the most successful countries in cutting carbon emmissions.

China is already the worlds largest hydroelectricity generator, and fast becoming one of the greenest power countries - its wind power will overtake US production within this year, to become the worlds largest producer, its solar power will become the second largest, equalling Japan by 2010.


btw China's carbon emmissions are still only 1/3 of EU rates per capita, and 1/5 of American levels, even despite the fact its the worlds factory, whereby a country's pollution is 'exported' to China by foreign companies commissioning and buying up the products.

China very much realises the consequences of the recent industrial revolution - there were a record 200,000 demonstrations in 2007 on environmental issues, and there are an estimated few hundred thousand grass roots eco-groups operating in the country (usually made up of disgruntled workers and local residents). Thanks to these groups, that are employed by the govt as a form of reporting and policing, the Party has now one of the fastest growing, most lucrative (and ruthless) new political lobbies. This environmental arm has some of the strictest green laws in the world, and is currently changing the face of Chinese cities across the realm. However it knows its limitations, and claims 90% of its laws are unenforcable due to corruption - it also states 5% of China's GDP is lost every year due to environmental issues, a stat that has put ecology at the top of the agenda since 2007.

However its increasingly winning support from its traditionally rival pro-development lobby - China (and the world) knows it has no economic future if it reaches US levels of waste and consumption, whereby there isn't enough resources in the world.
so why did China uses more nuclear power with thorium in the most developed city and coal power in the least because develloppe city as Shanghai people are more money to pay for and that could redice polution for them
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Old July 22nd, 2009, 06:27 PM   #1157
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CHONGQING is not beautiful the city look like a ghost town where people live in constant darkness and the water-front is very ugly I think they are a lot of work to be done to make the city more cheerful and attractive as Shanghai where the child's cheeks and happy smile in the street very attractive and mainly cosmopolitan and modern
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Old July 23rd, 2009, 04:19 PM   #1158
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Sheraton (2x218m) and Crowne (2x210m). By 20090101






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12 preliminary proposals for the PYI International Center. Notice that the 3 residential towers on the left are 207m each. Sad to say that some proposals look shorter than 300m.

No heights provided, but I added my personal estimation.

Proposal 1. 2x250m~


Proposal 2. 350~, 280~, 200~


Proposal 3. 350-400


Proposal 4. 2x200+


Proposal 5. 300+, 250+, 200+.


Proposal 6. 400+.


Proposal 7. 2x300-340


Proposal 8. 300+, 2x200+.


Proposal 9. 280~


Proposal 10. 2x300+


Proposal 11. 250+, 200+


Proposal 12. 350+, 300+, 200+, 180+.



They want this project to be a global landmark to put Chongqing on the map of the world class cities. Imo only a couple of proposals look eye-catching enogugh to become a world class skyscraper project. Nowadays, if you want a global skyscraper landmark you need either something incredibly tall (at least 500+), incredibly expensive and over-designed (and therefore ugly for most people) or very unique twin tower project to get that.

Some of these proposals (3rd, 9th, 10th) look rather irrelevant, they wouldn't even become Chongqing's city main skyscraper landmark in comparison with those 400+ projects approved in other areas of the city.

Only the 12th proposal is good imo, but I would be happy if they chose the 6th, 2nd or maybe the 10th, 7th or 3rd ones.

I wish they built a 888m, 188 floor tower. That would be a world class project for sure. A 500m twin project would be nice too
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Finally KPF added this one to its portfolio at its website.

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468m, 105 floors.
255m, 52 floors.
174m, 47 floors.













CHONGQING SUPER TOWER
CHONGQING, PRC

CLIENT : SHUI ON LAND

As a centerpiece of the Tian Di Master Plan, the Chongqing Super High-rise Tower project will provide a synergy of uses, including office, residential, retail and entertainment to bring energy, activity and value to the site. Inspired by the sailing ships that once plied the waters of the surrounding Yangtze and Jialing Rivers, the ChongQing Super High-rise Tower’s lightness and graceful form is expressed both in the simple form of the tower and adjacent low-rise towers and retail podium, and further through the towers’ fašades.

A central public plaza at the center of the project site, situated between the main tower, retail podium and low-rise residential and office towers, acts as a place of assembly and meeting. Transformable structure gives the ability to provide shelter for events, and elevated platform edges provide a panoramic view of the Jialing River. The ceremonial drop-off and formal entry landscape at the south end of the site are integrated with the central plaza through continued use of paving to soften the edges of the project landscape and allow for emergency vehicle access.

The two smaller towers—a low service apartment block to the east and a mid-rise single use office tower to the west—have been placed on the site so as to minimize cross viewing between each other, and have been scaled to relate to the height of the buildings proposed for the adjacent sites. All three towers employ a similar, but not identical, architectural vocabulary to visually reinforce one another and provide identity to this first phase of development.

The planning and massing of the 4-story retail podium has been conceived to take advantage of the two distinct frontalities on site, again taking influence from the sail form--developed to look almost like a piece of sail cloth blowing in the breeze. The south face of the podium is developed as a continuous street wall, meant to pair with the future development across the street and to provide continuity to the scale of urban fabric. More critically, the podium has been developed with sky-lit atrium/arcades that pass from this south fašade through the retail elements to an external, elevated promenade facing the river. This public amenity, raised above the roadway that runs along the river's edge, will give spectacular views and provide space for a dynamic mix of entertainment, retail, restaurants and cafes.

The curtainwall design aims to instill a sense of movement and lightness, consisting of glass that envelops the curving form of the towers and sloping inwards as they rise adding to the organic feel of the structures. This form also helps to minimize light contamination, as the light hitting the exterior surfaces will be dispersed rather than concentrated. Constructed of repeating 9-meter modules with repetitive patterns of vertically-linked double-story units, the framing emphasizes the double-curved form of the tower and suggests the tension of sails in the wind. The glazing will be of high performance IGUs, with a mildly reflective coating (roughly 20% reflectivity) on the second surface of a lightly tinted glass.

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SIZE
8 million SF / 681,065 SM

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