chinese car thread

[matherto]

Originally Posted by raymond_tung88

the red flag reminds me of Lincoln's Town Car...

that's because it IS the Lincoln Town Car

similarly the BYD F3 IS the Toyota Corolla etc, Chinese car makers are doing this all the time

[Jiangwho]

Originally Posted by matherto

that's because it IS the Lincoln Town Car

similarly the BYD F3 IS the Toyota Corolla etc, Chinese car makers are doing this all the time

do you think your car makers can produce a new brand car with only two wheels and one door?? you knew these are cars so they must have something similar as just you are human being and somebody else. but you cannot say that you are copied from somebody or somebody is copied from you.

[zergcerebrates]

Originally Posted by comrade7

I thought the same, $10-$15k for a new 1.6/2.0 car!! for this price one can buy a lousy daewoo matiz or seicento I wonder why they don't export these cars to Europe. Maybe because there's hardly any service for them here, all parts would have to be imported from china... Or high duties imposed by EU?

Chinese car companies are still testing foreign waters to see if they're being accpeted and see how well it does. If all goes well you'll see a massive attack from the Chinese, and sooner or later duties will be imposed on Chinese cars, just like they're doing with most Chinese products.

[Sen]

if west came up with the idea of free trade they should stick with it lol^

[Cloudship]

What is the latest of Chery coming to the US? Is that still on?

[oliver999]

2007,chery will land on USA, and built up a lot of server centers in USA.

[SGoico]

Got the impression I've seen many of these chinese cars with different badges on USA, European and Japanese roads...

[oliver999]

Originally Posted by SGoico

Got the impression I've seen many of these chinese cars with different badges on USA, European and Japanese roads...

really? i only heard that chinese cars exported to russia\middle east
and south asia.

[Sen]

Originally Posted by SGoico

Got the impression I've seen many of these chinese cars with different badges on USA, European and Japanese roads...

i dont know which ones you are talking about..but some chinese cars are exact copies of their foreign counterparts, with same design, same specification, they are not allowed to wear their original badges because well..their makers wont allow them, in some cases only the technology and assembly line is transferred, but the foreign car maker wont give its chinese partner the right to use its badge, afraid it will damage its reputation.

[SGoico]

Originally Posted by Sen

exact copies of their foreign counterparts

Precisely what I meant slightly salted with irony

[Sen]

well they are essentially the same cars with different badges, like Opel and Vauxhall, Chevrolet and Pontiac etc.

[khoojyh]

haha.... some Chinese cars design are copy from others car`s design... although not 100% but is 60-90%.....

[oliver999]

Originally Posted by khoojyh

haha.... some Chinese cars design are copy from others car`s design... although not 100% but is 60-90%.....

chinese car industry is very young , give them some time to start up, ok?

[SGoico]

Originally Posted by Sen

well they are essentially the same cars with different badges, like Opel and Vauxhall, Chevrolet and Pontiac etc.

NO!

zunchi 2.0 AT, has nothing to do with Lancia
zhonghua junjie, has nothing to do with BMW, Toyota or Mazda
chery tiggo, has nothing to do with Honda

or those BYD cars with very similar badge to BMW's and some BYD models with similar design to Beemer models have nothing to do with BMW.

They are (cheap) copies!

[Sen]

Originally Posted by SGoico

NO!

zunchi 2.0 AT, has nothing to do with Lancia
zhonghua junjie, has nothing to do with BMW, Toyota or Mazda
chery tiggo, has nothing to do with Honda

or those BYD cars with very similar badge to BMW's and some BYD models with similar design to Beemer models have nothing to do with BMW.

They are (cheap) copies!

and zunchi looks nothing like Lanci, Junjie looks nothing like BMW, Toyota, Mazda, and Chery Tiggo looks nothing like Honda.

[z0rg]

Originally Posted by zergcerebrates

China has too many small car manufacturers. They need to clump together with the big ones so they can compete.

Indeed! IMO, In China this is a common problem in most sectors: Electronics, Steel, Airlines, Banks, whatever. Too many medium-sized corps and too few biggies, sometimes none. Telecommunications and Oil are notable exceptions though.

Look at this ranking of the main automobile producers worldwide. 2003, a little old, sorry.

1. General Motors (Opel and Vauxhall) 8.112.000
2. Ford (Jaguar and Volvo) 6.526.000
3. Toyota 6.241.000
4. Volkswagen Group 5.024.000
5. Daimler Chrysler (Evobus) 4.238.000
6. PSA (Peugeot-Citroën) 3.310.000
7. Nissan 2.942.000
8. Honda 2.923.000
9. Hyundai - Kia 2.697.000
10. Renault-Dacia-Samsung 2.386.000
11. Fiat Iveco 2.386.000
12. Suzuki - Maruti 1.811.000
13. Mitsubishi 1.582.000
14. Mazda 1.153.000
15. BMW 1.119.000
16. Daihatsu 897.000
17. Avtovaz 700.000
18. FAW 556.000 < CHINA
19. Subaru 545.000
20. GM ? Daewoo 521.000
21. Isuzu 492.000
22. Dongfen (without Citroën) 368.000 < CHINA
23. Tata 289.000
24. Beijing AIG (without Hyundai and Isuzu) 262.000 < CHINA
25. SAIC (without GM y VW) 223.000 < CHINA
26. Gaz 201.000
27. Harbin Hafei Automotive 200.000 < CHINA
28. Ssangyong 159.000 < CHINA (49%)
29. Volvo?Renault?Mack 154.000
30. MG Rover 134.000 < CHINA (100%)
31. Jinbei Auto Holding 124.000 < CHINA
32. Changhe Aircraft Industrie 118.000 < CHINA
33. SAIC Cherry Auto 101.000 < CHINA
34. Nanjing Auto 99.000 < CHINA
35. Mahindra & Mahindra 95.000
36. Ijmach Avto 94.000
37. Paccar- DAF 94.000
38. Anhui Jianghuai Auto 94.000 < CHINA
39. Soueast Auto Industrial 87.000
40. Hino 83.000
41. Porsche 81.000
42. UAZ 77.000
43. Navistar 66.000
44. Kamaz 64.000
45. Jiangling Motors Group 63.000 < CHINA
46. MAB-Erf-Norman 61.000
47. Scania 51.000
48. Nissan Diesel 39.000
49. Roslada 28.000
50. Hindustan 16.000
51. Others (China, India, Russia, Turkey) 1.240.000

11 of the 50 main auto makers are Chinese, but none of them ranks in the top 15. Some of them should merge to become really big I think...

[Cloudship]

Most auto manufacturers are looking to break into the Chinease market, but due to various rules it is not that easy for them to do so. In some cases tehy form a partnership with Chenease companies, in others they simply give various levels of manufacturing rights. There are also a few cases (I believe it was mitsubishi who was famous for this) they would "sell" the machinery and designs for old discontinued models to foreign companies. Proton was famous for this for a while.

[huaxia-zhonghua]

in all these joint ventures,the highest share that a foreigner company can hold is 50%,they introduce the car models of their own into china.the joint ventures need to pay money for using these models and then they also take part of the profit of the JV.but more and more JVs start to design their own cars and I belive that finally they can be totally owned by local companies.

[oliver999]

the cars i post on this tread are totally chinese design, and independant factory without foreign capital.

[SGoico]

Read, Sen.