chinese car thread

[zergcerebrates]

Originally Posted by Cloudship

What is the latest of Chery coming to the US? Is that still on?

You can go to Visionary Vehicles website to find out the details, but from what I read there will be 4 totally new models designed for the US market and will be arriving early 2008 not 2007, its delayed. Along with Chery 2 other car companies also has plans coming to US, and they're Brilliance Auto, and Geely and they are expected to arrive end of 2007 earlier than Chery. Brilliance and Geely will focus on the low end segment while Chery will focus on the mid level segment.

[prelude]

wonderful cars....but many have Mercidies/BMW touch in them one have almost copied mercidies...however every rising automobile industry copies and there is nothing wrong with it I think ......But tell me one thing ...how are these cars doing aborad ? the prices are very less ...this means they must have a good market abroad provided their quality is good

[zergcerebrates]

Originally Posted by oliver999

the cars i post on this tread are totally chinese design, and independant factory without foreign capital.

You're wrong. The Brilliance Junjie was designed by Pininfarina an Italian design house.

[oliver999]

Originally Posted by zergcerebrates

You're wrong. The Brilliance Junjie was designed by Pininfarina an Italian design house.

i know that fact. i mean, the chinese company have the copyright (自主知识产权）of that design, the italy design it, that's right, which company in the world only rely on demstic sinentists?　they paid for italy company money, but have the copyright.
in joint venters, chinese capital dont have the copyright of the design of the shape .

[oliver999]

Originally Posted by prelude

wonderful cars....but many have Mercidies/BMW touch in them one have almost copied mercidies...however every rising automobile industry copies and there is nothing wrong with it I think ......But tell me one thing ...how are these cars doing aborad ? the prices are very less ...this means they must have a good market abroad provided their quality is good

sold a car not like sold a coat. they have find a US or EU company which is willing to help sell those chinese cars. and they have to bulit a great many service shops, that costs a lot of money. so it's difficult chinese cars break into developed markets.
but i believe, after 2-3 years, some chinese cars will enter into forien markets.

[zergcerebrates]

Any more up to date information on the Chery cars that will come to US? Their website gives out limited information. I wonder how the interior looks like of the new Chery designed for the US market

[Sen]

Originally Posted by prelude

wonderful cars....but many have Mercidies/BMW touch in them one have almost copied mercidies...however every rising automobile industry copies and there is nothing wrong with it I think ......But tell me one thing ...how are these cars doing aborad ? the prices are very less ...this means they must have a good market abroad provided their quality is good

Chery QQ is selling very well in Pakistan, Egypt and some other middle eastern countries, recently it has also opened a dealership in Singapore.

[Elbrus]

Chinese car makers entered the Russian market in 2005. Mostly Cherry and Great Wall.
The sales are good and growing due to certain price-dumping. But from what I read in the russian autoforums and reviews the quality of those cars is aweful. Like with many other chinese products the main bonus is ceap price. Also, there are copyright issues.
Much of the design and technologies are simply copied or stolen by the chinese, so if they enter western markets they are going to get their asses sued a lot.
But in markts like Russia, MidEast, LatinAmerica, etc. where copiright law is not very strict they are gonna have a very bright future.

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Originally Posted by Elbrus

Chinese car makers entered the Russian market in 2005. Mostly Cherry and Great Wall.
The sales are good and growing due to certain price-dumping. But from what I read in the russian autoforums and reviews the quality of those cars is aweful. Like with many other chinese products the main bonus is ceap price. Also, there are copyright issues.
Much of the design and technologies are simply copied or stolen by the chinese, so if they enter western markets they are going to get their asses sued a lot.
But in markts like Russia, MidEast, LatinAmerica, etc. where copiright law is not very strict they are gonna have a very bright future.

Few questions about the Russian situation
Really I havent seen many Chinese cars in European Part of Russia(well I have seen some Golden Dragon buses in St petersburg) .....are you talking about Russian far east /south ?

And what do you mean by "aweful" quality ...is it awefully good or awefully bad?And good and bad compared to what ....2nd hand western models? 1st hand cheap Korean/Jap models? 1st hand older lada models or 1st hand modern Lada/Gaz models

Are these Chinese cars in Russia Cheaper than second-hand western cars?
or first hand cheap korean cars ?

You say Chinese cars are doing well in Russian market do you think they can be a major rival to western + Japanese dominated foreign car market in Russia .

[Cliff]

Originally Posted by oliver999

chery QQ
1.0L\0.8L1.2L, price: from 3500usd~6000usd.

this car is being sold at slightly more than USD 20000 [SGD 35000] here in Singapore(the cheapest car avaliable here), I didn't know it was only worth that much!

[Sen]

cars in Singapore are expensive because of the import tax, same applies to Malaysia.

[oliver999]

Originally Posted by Cliff

this car is being sold at slightly more than USD 20000 [SGD 35000] here in Singapore(the cheapest car avaliable here), I didn't know it was only worth that much!

my god, 20000 usd worth a nice 2.0L cars in china.
the hottest car "elantra"solds only 12000 usd in china.

[drunkenmunkey888]

they look nice and all but i cant help feeling like Chinese cars are just knockoffs of current japanese and american designs... one of the chery's look too much like a ford focus and the red flag looks identical to town car. i guess they need to start somewhere... same was with korean cars when they first came to US

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one question
what the approx ratio/percentage between Number of foreign car and Chinese car in China

With the price tags and the models I doubt wether any Western car can survive competetion with Chinese cars in China .......I hope to see such Cheap yet fashionable Chinese cars in India as soon as possible

[prelude]

Just one thing ....Try to accept that the models are good...generalising them as copies Western Design is something that I hate.....Western car makers even copy each other ....
To me some the cars are really wonderful ...however I dont like Cherry

[Elbrus]

Originally Posted by prelude

Few questions about the Russian situation
Really I havent seen many Chinese cars in European Part of Russia(well I have seen some Golden Dragon buses in St petersburg) .....are you talking about Russian far east /south ?

And what do you mean by "aweful" quality ...is it awefully good or awefully bad?And good and bad compared to what ....2nd hand western models? 1st hand cheap Korean/Jap models? 1st hand older lada models or 1st hand modern Lada/Gaz models

Are these Chinese cars in Russia Cheaper than second-hand western cars?
or first hand cheap korean cars ?

You say Chinese cars are doing well in Russian market do you think they can be a major rival to western + Japanese dominated foreign car market in Russia .

Aweful- as in really bad.
Mind you I'm only repeating what I've read on russian auto forums and auto reviews, I don't have any personal knowlege on this matter, in fact I've never even seen a chinese car.
Anyway, what I hear is these cars have very bad assembly quality compared to any other car sold in Russia, even GAZ and Lada. But those Cherries are cheap and look nice as well - so many ( stupid ) people are buying them.
I don't mean to offend anybody, but I wouln't buy one. Buying a car is not like getting a new kettle or a DVDplayer, it's a big investment and you've gotta think ahead.

[oliver999]

Originally Posted by Elbrus

Aweful- as in really bad.
Mind you I'm only repeating what I've read on russian auto forums and auto reviews, I don't have any personal knowlege on this matter, in fact I've never even seen a chinese car.
Anyway, what I hear is these cars have very bad assembly quality compared to any other car sold in Russia, even GAZ and Lada. But those Cherries are cheap and look nice as well - so many ( stupid ) people are buying them.
I don't mean to offend anybody, but I wouln't buy one. Buying a car is not like getting a new kettle or a DVDplayer, it's a big investment and you've gotta think ahead.

i dont think so. chinese car's quality is ok in china.

[Sen]

Originally Posted by Elbrus

Aweful- as in really bad.
Mind you I'm only repeating what I've read on russian auto forums and auto reviews, I don't have any personal knowlege on this matter, in fact I've never even seen a chinese car.
Anyway, what I hear is these cars have very bad assembly quality compared to any other car sold in Russia, even GAZ and Lada. But those Cherries are cheap and look nice as well - so many ( stupid ) people are buying them.
I don't mean to offend anybody, but I wouln't buy one. Buying a car is not like getting a new kettle or a DVDplayer, it's a big investment and you've gotta think ahead.

are you kidding me? Lada is shit.

[Cee_em_bee]

Seems like most of these cars are brought off from other car makers, It's not an unordinary thing though.


This car was being badged as a toyota 10 years ago.

[oliver999]

Originally Posted by Cee_em_bee

Seems like most of these cars are brought off from other car makers, It's not an unordinary thing though.


This car was being badged as a toyota 10 years ago.

what the fuckin you said aussie? fuck off.