chinese car thread - Page 5

prelude · August 15th, 2006, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Sen

are you kidding me? Lada is shit.

Common Lada is not Shit ....lada is a very comfortable Cheap and reliable car .......had they not been so they wont have accounted to 50% of the cars being sold in Russia in a situation when Russian car market faces one of the most fierce competition from cars all over the world.........there are korean and jap cars that have prices almost equal to Ladas

Perhaps you are talking about the old models of Lada that were once common in China ....yes those old ones looks shitty ...that's coz the Soviets considered cars to be modes of transport ...and not fashion ....but when it comes to reliablity and comfort(at cheap price)...ladas were very good ones....

Today Ladas have developed new models that have cool looks Cheap prices as well as the reliablity of Lada ....its true lada has partly lost its monopoly due to market economy ...but lada is a very reliable car

My new lada Calina has many features better than many of the western couterparts of the same segment...at the same time its lot lot cheaper than its western counterparts ...moreover its mainly an original design not a copy

Elbrus · August 16th, 2006, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Sen

are you kidding me? Lada is shit.

Not quite.
I agree, Lada models are not as advanced as Jap or Euro cars. Technologicaly they are perhaps 10-15 years behind.
But they cost only US$4,000-8,000, and provide very good value for money.
Also Ladas are quite reliable and well-assembled.
New models like Kalina and Priora look a little dated, but they are very well-made.
And the good thing is - these new models cost only $7-8K!!!
Also KAMAZ ( more famous for its trucks ) produces the cheapest car in the world - 1.0L model called OKA. It costs just $2,400!!

Sorry for off-top, back to chinese cars.
I have no doubt that in 5-10 years Chinese car-makers will become major players internationaly. Now they are just testing overseas markets.
I'm very impressed with the their progress.
Go China!

gaoanyu · August 17th, 2006, 02:28 PM

I think, Chinese cars can do better than Korean and later Japanese cars in terms of selling them in the western markets, domestic needs from China itself are huge, which would in turn help them to pile huge influx of money to operate abroad as well as faster quality-improving speed (We have already seen cases of Chinese firms buying off west firms after a relatively short peorid of development in China. e.g. Lenovo gets IBM PC div., and Nanjing auto gets MG Rover etc.).
In fact, Chinese auto industry has just taken shape in recent few years, and competitions vs. foreign makers within China are already fierce. So I am sure Chinese cars will become major players internationally in 5-10 years.
Sth off topic, I like the ladas, especially the white cute ones (not sure about is model name, only saw them when I was young). People told me that ladas, although look small, but have enormous horsepower!

shadyunltd · August 17th, 2006, 07:37 PM

Chinese firms buying off failing west firms, you should say. There was nothing good out of IBM PC division, nor MG Rover.

Sexas · August 21st, 2006, 11:23 AM

I don't see any issue the Chinese playing copycat, need to know when US start with 10000000000 difference auto brand and later they all become GM and Ford. And today we still see car copy each other... remember when Korean still new in the US? they look ugly and cheap...

vlaakko · August 23rd, 2006, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by prelude

Perhaps you are talking about the old models of Lada that were once common in China

What is the russian car market situation today in China? Are they still selling Lada and Volga? Year ago when i was in Shanghai i remember seeing few Kamaz trucks, but that was all.

matherto · August 31st, 2006, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by VVVV

do you think your car makers can produce a new brand car with only two wheels and one door?? you knew these are cars so they must have something similar as just you are human being and somebody else. but you cannot say that you are copied from somebody or somebody is copied from you.

what the heck are you talking about?

these cars, are identical to their original counterparts, but they have different badges, this is how Chinese car makers started, either copying the cars, or just rebadging the cars.

But now, they're improving day by day, its quite astounding the improvements theyve made with each new car they bring out

tiger · August 31st, 2006, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by matherto

this is how Chinese car makers started, either copying the cars, or just rebadging the cars.

Not all Chinese carmakers are like you you said.You've got to know Chery is even not one of the five largest carmakers in China.

oliver999 · September 7th, 2006, 07:52 AM

benteng
size:4705/1782/1465mm
2.3AT , price: about 22000USD.
[N·m/r/min] 204/4000
[Kw/rpm] 120/6500

pflo777 · September 7th, 2006, 11:23 AM

btw is there a special program by the chinese government to develop and distriubte a car for the low income class?This would be a good means to boost economy in the underdeveloped areas?

oliver999 · September 7th, 2006, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pflo777

btw is there a special program by the chinese government to develop and distriubte a car for the low income class?This would be a good means to boost economy in the underdeveloped areas?

yes, chinese goverment has such policy. including lower tax for smaller cars.but the goverment puch this policy is not for more family can offord a car, but reduct petro consumer.

trentthomson · September 7th, 2006, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by oliver999

what the fuckin you said aussie? fuck off.

Huh?

But anyway, cee_em_bee is right. It's the old 4Runner.

They're nearly identical. Even the wheels look the same.

hmmwv · September 7th, 2006, 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pflo777

btw is there a special program by the chinese government to develop and distriubte a car for the low income class?This would be a good means to boost economy in the underdeveloped areas?

I don't think that's a good idea, China is way too crowded so public transportation is the way to go. Cheap cars for lower income families will dramatically increase the number of cars on the road, creat more green house gas emission and parking problems in the cities.

oliver999 · September 8th, 2006, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by trentthomson

Huh?

But anyway, cee_em_bee is right. It's the old 4Runner.

They're nearly identical. Even the wheels look the same.

SUV looks all this shape,no surprise.

FREKI · September 10th, 2006, 04:43 AM

One thing is to be inspired by great design, another thing is to rip it off completely like the Chinese motor industri does...

It reminds me of the "Russian" Space Shuttle

It's really a shame, becase the Chinese are great at designing a lot of stuff - why not try to make unique cars?

duskdawn · September 10th, 2006, 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr_Denmark

It's really a shame, becase the Chinese are great at designing a lot of stuff - why not try to make unique cars?

There's a common sense in Chinese, imitation leads to innovation.
If you couldn't even imitate well, forget about innovation.
So we are in no worries. We just started out in auto industry.

Sen · September 10th, 2006, 05:39 AM

Guys i said this AGAIN and AGAIN some cars look exactly the same because they ARE the same cars, they have the license from foreign carmakers to produce these cars, why do they carry Chinese badges then? because some of them have shitty quality (or used), so their foreign partners wont allow them to carry their badges fearing they would damage their reputation. but they still want to make money so they gave the blueprint and assemly line to chinese but not the right to use their brand, the only example of shameless copying is this:
Shuanghuan Auto(a copy of CR-V)

(no one buys this anyways).

the other copies you see are all done under mutual agreements. so stop accusing already.

oliver999 · September 10th, 2006, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Denmark

One thing is to be inspired by great design, another thing is to rip it off completely like the Chinese motor industri does...

It reminds me of the "Russian" Space Shuttle

It's really a shame, becase the Chinese are great at designing a lot of stuff - why not try to make unique cars?

dont worry, after this stage, we will full of unique cars.

shadyunltd · September 10th, 2006, 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oliver999

SUV looks all this shape,no surprise.

Huh? Do you know what you are talking about, dude?

oliver999 · September 10th, 2006, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by shadyunltd

Huh? Do you know what you are talking about, dude?

why toyoto not asks for compensation, and claim greatwall cant produce this shape of cars? it's legal, dude.

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August 17th, 2006, 02:28 PM	#83
gaoanyu Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 709 Likes (Received): 0	I think, Chinese cars can do better than Korean and later Japanese cars in terms of selling them in the western markets, domestic needs from China itself are huge, which would in turn help them to pile huge influx of money to operate abroad as well as faster quality-improving speed (We have already seen cases of Chinese firms buying off west firms after a relatively short peorid of development in China. e.g. Lenovo gets IBM PC div., and Nanjing auto gets MG Rover etc.). In fact, Chinese auto industry has just taken shape in recent few years, and competitions vs. foreign makers within China are already fierce. So I am sure Chinese cars will become major players internationally in 5-10 years. Sth off topic, I like the ladas, especially the white cute ones (not sure about is model name, only saw them when I was young). People told me that ladas, although look small, but have enormous horsepower!

August 17th, 2006, 07:37 PM	#84
shadyunltd Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Quebec Posts: 152 Likes (Received): 0	Chinese firms buying off failing west firms, you should say. There was nothing good out of IBM PC division, nor MG Rover.

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pflo777 BANNED Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,508 Likes (Received): 11	btw is there a special program by the chinese government to develop and distriubte a car for the low income class?This would be a good means to boost economy in the underdeveloped areas?

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Sen Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,711 Likes (Received): 1	Guys i said this AGAIN and AGAIN some cars look exactly the same because they ARE the same cars, they have the license from foreign carmakers to produce these cars, why do they carry Chinese badges then? because some of them have shitty quality (or used), so their foreign partners wont allow them to carry their badges fearing they would damage their reputation. but they still want to make money so they gave the blueprint and assemly line to chinese but not the right to use their brand, the only example of shameless copying is this: Shuanghuan Auto(a copy of CR-V) (no one buys this anyways). the other copies you see are all done under mutual agreements. so stop accusing already.