chinese car thread

[oriental_horizon]

thanx to all that really exhibit some really cool Chinese manufacturered cars.

I see there have been alot of interesting discussion going on. But I like to contribute that Chinese car manufacturers will get better in terms of reliability, features, design, environmental quality...etc. Right now, many foreign auto companies are joint venturing with Chinese counterparts because it is mandated by China's foreign policy and industrial policy. This will create local jobs, foreign companies can make money with less than 50% ownership. Good thing is, technology transfer will spillover to the Chinese auto industries. This mean the local companies will gain expertisie in design and manufacturing with the quality similar to Japanese manufacturers.

China will become the biggest motor market in the world, hence one day the local Chinese auto manufacturers will dominate this market and foreign companies will have a small share depending on how the government wants competition to be level playing field or give more time to domestic auto producers to become stronger.

One has to remember, Japan and South Korea did not become global auto manufacturing powerhouses overnight. Japan spent years just rolling out cars that were just ready to drive to now leading the world in terms of design, fuel efficiency, manufacturing process. example - toyota.

South Korea had to start from scratch and do alot of copying, now with the help of foreign ownership like GM Daewoo and Daimler Chrylster shareholdings in Hyundai, they have really cornered the low end segment of the car market.

[Amit]

Originally Posted by pflo777

btw is there a special program by the chinese government to develop and distriubte a car for the low income class?This would be a good means to boost economy in the underdeveloped areas?

I donot intend to divert from the thread topic, nevertheless it is relevant to this question.

India's biggest automobile company Tata Motors will roll out a $2,200 car in 2008. It will target the lower middle class, that is so often neglected by western companies. I bet this car will be a huge hit in India and can be exported to other countries in Asia, Africa and Latin America as well. The comforts of technology should be accessible to the masses, and not just the elite and the middle class.

[oliver999]

Originally Posted by Amit

I donot intend to divert from the thread topic, nevertheless it is relevant to this question.

India's biggest automobile company Tata Motors will roll out a $2,200 car in 2008. It will target the lower middle class, that is so often neglected by western companies. I bet this car will be a huge hit in India and can be exported to other countries in Asia, Africa and Latin America as well. The comforts of technology should be accessible to the masses, and not just the elite and the middle class.

2200USD A CAR! awesome, that's a motorcycle price. every family can offord it. do you have any pics of this india car?

[Amit]

Originally Posted by oliver999

2200USD A CAR! awesome, that's a motorcycle price. every family can offord it. do you have any pics of this india car?

The design of this car is held strictly confidential by Tata Motors, hence no pictures are available.

When the project was announced a few years back, other compact car makers in India, Suzuki and Hyundai, said it was not possible to build a car so cheap. The cheapest car available in India is $4,500, and this proposed car is $2,200, half that price. But the Tata group chairman, Ratan Tata, is determined to prove that it is technologically possible to build this car and to realize a project that is truly pioneering in the automobile industry worldwide. Tata Motors has already spend quite a bit on R&D for this project; they have already selected a site in eastern India for manufacturing facility of this car to go onstream by 2008.

The track record of Tata Motors as an innovative company lends confidence that they can pull off this project. In 1999, they launched Tata Indica with an investment of $500 million in R&D, the first car completly designed and developed by an Indian automobile company.

[WolfHound]

Nice when do these cars come tom America?

[Amit]

Originally Posted by WolfHound

Nice when do these cars come tom America?

In case you are refering to the $2,200 Tata (India) car, I am not sure. People in US seem to fancy big SUVs, mid size cars. The compact car may not be in great demand there. This car will have a market in cost conscious markets of Asia, Africa, Latin America and probably environmentally conscious market of Europe as well.

[WolfHound]

Originally Posted by Amit

In case you are refering to the $2,200 Tata (India) car, I am not sure. People in US seem to fancy big SUVs, mid size cars. The compact car may not be in great demand there. This car will have a market in cost conscious markets of Asia, Africa, Latin America and probably environmentally conscious market of Europe as well.

I meant the chinese cars. Are they good on gas and are they better then american cars?

[oliver999]

Originally Posted by WolfHound

I meant the chinese cars. Are they good on gas and are they better then american cars?

chinese cars are as solid as chinese color TVs. chinese cars have a disadvantage of design and enginee. have a advantage of good equipment: good CD player, good inner decoration, etc. but the largest advantage is the price. lol
but when i heard india will produce 2200 usd cars, i got shocked.

[Promiscuous Boy]

Originally Posted by oliver999

Originally Posted by oliver999

the cars i post on this tread are totally chinese design, and independant factory without foreign capital.

Are you kidding me?????????????????????????

[Sen]

it's a JV between BJC and Damiler Chrysler.

FFS read my post. (In this case, it even carries the Jeep badge).

[Promiscuous Boy]

if it's a joint venture then oliver here should not post ridiculous information saying there's no foreign capital in the models he has shown so far...

[WolfHound]

Originally Posted by oliver999

chinese cars are as solid as chinese color TVs. chinese cars have a disadvantage of design and enginee. have a advantage of good equipment: good CD player, good inner decoration, etc. but the largest advantage is the price. lol
but when i heard india will produce 2200 usd cars, i got shocked.

Im sure the indian car will suck. The design will be horrible and the quality is probably going to be terrible. But for 2200 USD they will sell a lot. But I wouldn't get one. Its a shame American car companies don't deisgn goodlooking cars for a good price.

[Amit]

Originally Posted by WolfHound

Im sure the indian car will suck. The design will be horrible and the quality is probably going to be terrible. But for 2200 USD they will sell a lot. But I wouldn't get one. Its a shame American car companies don't deisgn goodlooking cars for a good price.

The $2,200 Tata car will be a no-frills car aimed at the lower middle class. It will probably have a modest engine and design. Neverthless, it is challenging to make a structurally sound car for such a low price. Considering that a motorcycle sells for $1,000 in India, many people who cannot afford expensive cars are likely to upgrade to this one. The idea is to extend the benefits of technology to a wider group of people and still make money.

Currently, Tata Motors sells a compact car (Indica) for base price of $7,500, mid-size car (Indigo) for $9,500 and SUV (Safari) for $16,500. Another auto maker Mahindra & Mahindra sells SUV (Scorpio) for $15,500. All these vehicles have been designed and developed in India with substantial R&D investments.

[Cancun]

I will buy China shoes but I will NOT buy China cars.They sell every cheap products in Cancun so people buy their products but no other merit.

[googleabcd]

Sorry, but where is Cancun, a country or a city?

And you shouldn't buy computer, laptop, mouse/keyboard, speakers, LCD, TV, cellphone as well because most of them are also made in China, at least most parts inside them are made in China.

Originally Posted by Cancun

I will buy China shoes but I will NOT buy China cars.They sell every cheap products in Cancun so people buy their products but no other merit.

[Promiscuous Boy]

Originally Posted by googleabcd

Sorry, but where is Cancun, a country or a city?

And you shouldn't buy computer, laptop, mouse/keyboard, speakers, LCD, TV, cellphone as well because most of them are also made in China, at least most parts inside them are made in China.

Dude, are you retarded?? you can only be kidding me...

[googleabcd]

Junjie is the best Chinese car so far I have seen.
and is called "Chinese small BMW" in China mainland.
Actually, IMO, the exterior of junjie can be competed with the original BMW model.

Current model carries with a 1.6 Mitsubishi engine, but later on it will be replaced with a 1.8T engine which is indepentdly designed by Chinese car manufacturer.






With the price $12,000USD, what do you expect more?

Originally Posted by oliver999

junjie(another zhonghua brand)
1.6L\1.8L\2.0L, price:from 10000usd~15000usd
长/宽/高(mm) 4648/1800/1450 发动机型式 4G63S4M
变速器型式 四档自动 排量(毫升) 1997
最大功率(KW) 95/6000 最大扭矩(N.m) 173/4500
油耗(L/100km) ≤8.5(90km/h) 轴距(mm) 2790

[duskdawn]

Originally Posted by googleabcd

Sorry, but where is Cancun, a country or a city?

I just googled it is in Mexico I believe.
So Cancun, there's nothing wrong with Chinese cheap goods, as long as they are of good quality they will still be popular right? And you will start to regret that there will be no more cheap Chinese products in the coming future, which is already happening.

[googleabcd]

Originally Posted by Promiscuous Boy

Dude, are you retarded?? you can only be kidding me...

After google it, eventually I found out Cancun is a small city in Mexico

A small city with only 380 thousand population, why must I know it?

[duskdawn]

Originally Posted by Promiscuous Boy

Dude, are you retarded?? you can only be kidding me...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp4iI59BfpQ