chinese car thread

[Promiscuous Boy]

Cuz it's one of the largest vacation spots in the WORLD...hello??????

[Promiscuous Boy]

Originally Posted by duskdawn

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp4iI59BfpQ

I'm not an average american, I know geography very well for your information, unlike you, who didn't know what cancun was, oh my god...

[googleabcd]

Originally Posted by Promiscuous Boy

Cuz it's one of the largest vacation spots in the WORLD...hello??????

No, never heard of it. I only know Cuba and Jamaica are good vacation spots in the middle america. Maybe Cancun is famous to U.S people because it is closed to the U.S.

I just read a tourism article written by a Chinese who has been to Cancun and he said the SanYa city in China is even better than Cancun. IMO, SanYa is just ok so I am not interested in Cancun anymore.

三亚城沿海铺展，东西不过里许，南北则绵延数十里。城区人口仅有十几万，
主要从事旅游服务业，为我国第一旅游城市（以旅游业所占比重而言）。从
天涯到三亚，公路沿海滩蜿蜒一路前行：右边是碧蓝的海水、雪白的沙滩，
左边是掩在椰影婆裟中的楼堂馆舍，如同溶入一幅浓彩淡墨的热带风情画。
仅这条沿海公路的旅游资源，便不输世界著名的墨西哥加勒比海滨旅游度假
区“ＲＩＶＩＥＲＡ　ＭＡＹＡ”。只是这片美丽的海滩仍是“养在深闺人
未识”，有待开发罢了。

笔者最近去过墨西哥的旅游胜地ＣＡＮＣＵＮ。相比之下海南、特别是三亚
一带的热带旅游资源只怕更多、更好。ＣＡＮＣＵＮ地区以热带海滨和玛雅
文化古迹取胜。海南则不仅有海，而且有山；不仅有文化古迹，而且有爱情
传说。说到海滨，三亚的大东海、亚龙湾热带海滨，万泉河海口的博奥水城
可与ＣＡＮＣＵＮ旅馆区，“ＲＩＶＩＥＲＡ　ＭＡＹＡ”海滩媲美。更有
三亚南山文化旅游区和小洞天山海一体的特色。加之中路的五指山景区和东
路的热带森林景观，都是ＹＵＣＡＮＴＡＮ半岛地区丘陵和丛林所无法相比
的。而且海南的主干交通设施：机场和高速路，也远远胜过ＣＡＮＣＵＮ。
更不要说海口、三亚清洁美丽的市容了。海南发展的关键在吸引更多的资金
和游客，这正是ＣＡＮＣＵＮ唯一强过海南的地方。所以海南的发展有赖于
整个国家的发展。关于这一点，笔者打算在《三国行》里更详细地谈一谈。

[duskdawn]

Originally Posted by Promiscuous Boy

I'm not an average american, I know geography very well for your information, unlike you, who didn't know what cancun was, oh my god...

Don't get me wrong I just posted for fun.
The city is not really well known in China seriously.

[Promiscuous Boy]

Last time I went to Cancun there were a lot of chinese people...

[duskdawn]

Originally Posted by googleabcd

I just read a tourism article written by a Chinese who has been to Cancun and he said the SanYa city in China is even better than Cancun. IMO, SanYa is just ok so I am not interested in Cancun anymore.

People might be wondering where sanya is.

[googleabcd]

Originally Posted by duskdawn

People might be wondering where sanya is.

Yeah....Maybe Sanya is only famous in China but I don't care...
Because there are lots of good vacation spots in China, like this one: JiuZhaiGou

[Promiscuous Boy]

Now, that's really beautiful!!!! Is taht a lake or a river?

[googleabcd]

It is a lake, or I should say some lakes

Originally Posted by Promiscuous Boy

Now, that's really beautiful!!!! Is taht a lake or a river?

[gaoanyu]

This is a car thread, guys...

[FREKI]

Originally Posted by googleabcd

After google it, eventually I found out Cancun is a small city in Mexico

A small city with only 380 thousand population, why must I know it?

It's one of the greatest holiday spots in the world - known for their liberal Spring Break vibe and incredible nightlife...

So yes, if you are young and like parties you should at the very least have heard of it

[GNU]

Originally Posted by googleabcd

I think this is actually the Koenigssee in Bavaria

[KB]

Originally Posted by Amit

The design of this car is held strictly confidential by Tata Motors, hence no pictures are available.

When the project was announced a few years back, other compact car makers in India, Suzuki and Hyundai, said it was not possible to build a car so cheap. The cheapest car available in India is $4,500, and this proposed car is $2,200, half that price. But the Tata group chairman, Ratan Tata, is determined to prove that it is technologically possible to build this car and to realize a project that is truly pioneering in the automobile industry worldwide. Tata Motors has already spend quite a bit on R&D for this project; they have already selected a site in eastern India for manufacturing facility of this car to go onstream by 2008..

Well.. we'll have to see what comes up!! while $2200 is quite cheap, lets hope it is not a crossover between an autorichshaw and a mini.

The track record of Tata Motors as an innovative company lends confidence that they can pull off this project. In 1999, they launched Tata Indica with an investment of $500 million in R&D, the first car completly designed and developed by an Indian automobile company.

Much of that $500 million went to italy, who designed the car( i mean the complex parts of the car like the chasis and the transmission). But for a $2,200 they will have to do it themselves or the cost will shoot up.

i am not saying they cant, but dont compare it with the indica design. we'll just have to wait and see what comes up.


OMG!! if these chinese cars get free access to US and european markets, the local industry will be out of business... i mean very good looking and sooo cheap. Incredible!!!

[Amit]

Originally Posted by kbboy

Much of that $500 million went to italy, who designed the car( i mean the complex parts of the car like the chasis and the transmission). But for a $2,200 they will have to do it themselves or the cost will shoot up.

It is certainly not true that most of the design for Tata Indica was done in Italy. The outerbody (chasis) shape design was procured from an Italian company. However, car design and development is much more than just the outerbody shape, and all that was done in India. It is well known and appreciated in India that it was an indigenous engineering effort. The substantial R&D investment of $500 million is a proof of that.

i am not saying they cant, but dont compare it with the indica design. we'll just have to wait and see what comes up.

I am also curious to see what the $2,200 car will look like. It will be a miracle if looks as good as Indica.

[oliver999]

shanghai brand car.


zhonghua sports car

[Amit]

I am sorry but I mistakenly gave the wrong data. The TOTAL cost of Tata Indica compact car project was $550 million; this includes design & development (R&D) and setting up of the manufacturing facility. A similar project (starting from scratch) in US/Europe/Japan is estimated to cost $2 billion.

Afterall, it is just a car and not an airplane that would require half a billion dollars just in R&D

This is a chinese car thread, so I will leave this topic at that.

[AlexS2000]

Originally Posted by Amit

I am sorry but I mistakenly gave the wrong data. The TOTAL cost of Tata Indica compact car project was $550 million; this includes design & development (R&D) and setting up of the manufacturing facility. A similar project (starting from scratch) in US/Europe/Japan is estimated to cost $2 billion.

Afterall, it is just a car and not an airplane that would require half a billion dollars just in R&D

This is a chinese car thread, so I will leave this topic at that.

How about you start an India car thread on this forum.
I believe many people would like hear and see what it is being developed in India.
Please share.

[oliver999]

Originally Posted by Amit

I am sorry but I mistakenly gave the wrong data. The TOTAL cost of Tata Indica compact car project was $550 million; this includes design & development (R&D) and setting up of the manufacturing facility. A similar project (starting from scratch) in US/Europe/Japan is estimated to cost $2 billion.

Afterall, it is just a car and not an airplane that would require half a billion dollars just in R&D

This is a chinese car thread, so I will leave this topic at that.

never mind, post india cars here please

[Amit]

Oliver and Alex, thanks for the encouragement. An Indian car thread already exists in the Infrastructure & mobility forum:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=248609

It has pictures of cars/SUVs made by Indian companies Tata Motors, Mahindra & Mahindra & Reva as well as multinational companies manufacturing in India.

Tata Motors is clearly the most innovative and ambitious among the Indian automobile manufacturers. Besides the domestic Indian market, they are expanding their presence in Asia through aquisition of Daewoo commercial vehicles (South Korea), in Europe through an alliance with Fiat (Italy), and Africa by entering the South African market. Their revenues for 2005 was $5.5 bn; an investment of $2 bn is planned to expand manufacturing in India.

Tata Motors is part of the $22 bn Tata group; whose group company Tata Steel (2005 revenues of $4.5 bn) has been in the news recently for planning an ambitious $9 bn aquisition bid for British-Dutch steel maker Corus (2nd largest steel company in Europe and 9th worldwide). Another group company Tata Consultancy Services (TCS) is India's biggest IT services company with 2005 revenues of $3 bn.

Besides the Indian companies, multinational automobile companies have recently announced major investment plans in India with the goal of exports as well as catering to the domestic market. This includes Suzuki ($2 bn), Hyundai ($1.4 bn), Volkswagen ($550 mn), Honda ($350 mn), GM ($300 mn), Toyota ($90 mn).

[Hidden Dragon]

Greatwall in Paris Auto Show