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Old August 11th, 2006, 10:24 PM   #121
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could you specify what WNY is. id like to check it out.
It's one of the greatest and largest development/highrise forum (and also website with a lot of information and photo's) about New York.

Just check www.wirednewyork.com
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Old August 11th, 2006, 10:25 PM   #122
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You're right.

Burj Dubai complex is another story. one 1000+ footer, and that's it.
WTC complex, 1 complete, 4 towers of 1000+ and 1 supertall.

plus a memorial, a museum, and a new PATH transit hub.


do they not realize the footprint for the WHOLE WTC SITE is larger than footprint of the Burj Dubai? My whole ******* argument. The construction volume/activity within the next year or two will outdo that of the Burj Dubai. There will be a number of projects u/c on the WTC site that they still fail to comprehend.
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does anyone know that the land the World Financial Center sits on is actually man-made?
It's man-made. Just take a look at this picture, made when the Twins were finished. At that time there was no WFC at all, also the ground beneath it wasn't there.

It was also so, that the WTC was build just next to the river, and because it's deep foundations and parking garage, they build the 'Bathtube'.

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old WTC pics..







take notice of the area around the towers, not just the construction of the two towers.
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Old August 11th, 2006, 10:37 PM   #125
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its gonna take awhile to fish through the year old articles on WNY but stay tuned ch1le. it was an article all about the revitalization of not only the WTC, but all of downtown and its projects.

heres an article worth reading.

NY Daily News

Mike, gov tout 10B WTC plan

BY DAVID SALTONSTALL
DAILY NEWS CITY HALL BUREAU CHIEF


Gov. Pataki (l.) and Mayor Bloomberg announce plans during Ground Zero tour yesterday.

With the fourth anniversary of the 9/11 attacks nearing, Gov. Pataki and Mayor Bloomberg ventured to Ground Zero yesterday to tout future projects at the site that still remains a dusty pit.
Bloomberg and Pataki said $10 billion in public and private investment was planned for the disaster area, with many of the projects to begin within the next six months.

That includes the refortified Freedom Tower, a PATH hub designed by Spanish architect Santiago Calatrava, a Fulton St. transit center connecting 11 subway lines, the World Trade Center Memorial and eight surrounding office buildings.

But construction has not begun on any of those projects, giving yesterday's event - officially staged to announce construction of an underground concourse to connect the future transit hubs - a sense of far-away promise.

The Dey St. tunnel, for instance, isn't likely to be finished until 2007, while the Fulton St. transit center isn't scheduled to be done until 2008.

Both Bloomberg and Pataki have been criticized for the pace of rebuilding at Ground Zero, a 16-acre parcel that is owned by the Port Authority and largely controlled by the state.

But Bloomberg and Pataki clearly hoped to put the best face on upcoming projects before next month's anniversary ceremonies at Ground Zero, and the upcoming mayoral election.

Another ceremony, to break ground on the new PATH hub, is planned for next week.

"Taken together," Bloomberg said, "these projects are dramatic proof that lower Manhattan is re-asserting its rightful role in the life of New York, and as the financial center of the world."

Originally published on August 31, 2005

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i can post shit like this all day.

Ground zero traffic cop
Command center will oversee worker transport, other logistics as construction starts at WTC site


By Anne Michaud
Published on September 26, 2005

The rebuilding of Ground Zero is about to begin. Over the next five years, the $10 billion effort will require as many as 15,000 workers and more than 200,000 trucks of concrete. Some 45 different public agencies, developers, contractors and utilities will participate in what will be the busiest construction site in the world.

It's up to Charles Maikish to make sure that all the pieces come together and that lower Manhattan isn't paralyzed in the process. He concedes that the logistical challenges are keeping him up at night.

"We know what the problems are, and that's the first step," says Mr. Maikish. "Now, we have to engineer answers."

Mr. Maikish is executive director of the Lower Manhattan Construction Command Center, a little-known agency authorized by Gov. George Pataki and Mayor Michael Bloomberg to oversee the rebuilding of parts of downtown south of Canal Street that were devastated on Sept. 11, 2001. Some people are already predicting that the command center could become yet another ineffective layer of bureaucracy in the politically charged and emotional resurrection of downtown.

The numerous public and private projects getting under way represent the biggest concentration of construction activity ever attempted in three city blocks.

Workers are clearing ground now for the Santiago Calatrava-designed PATH station. By next March, 20 projects--including the World Trade Center Memorial, the Freedom Tower and demolition of the Deutsche Bank building--will be in progress.

Mr. Maikish, an engineer and lawyer by training who worked on the original World Trade Center construction, is already shaping a solution to one of the biggest hurdles: how to move massive numbers of workers in and out of such a tiny spot every day. The answer might be to create staging areas for workers in New Jersey or on Staten Island and carry them in by bus or ferry. Another traffic snarl could be created by cement trucks. His solution is to build micro-batching plants to mix concrete to order on site, rather than trucking it in.


Frustrated residents


Even before the major construction has begun, preliminary work has left residents and businesses weary. Even small, daily headaches interfere with people's routines and lives. Delivery trucks, copier repair services and cable installers avoid the neighborhood, where Rector Street has been excavated three times and Maiden Lane twice.

"A great deal of frustration has arisen over the fact that we often don't know from day to day whether the street in front of the building is going to be dug up again, or for how many more weeks those trucks will be idling outside our windows," says Joni Yoswein, a lobbyist whose firm is located one block from Ground Zero.

Not only must Mr. Maikish keep streets passable, he must also monitor the air for construction dust, manage noise levels and halt heavy work at a decent hour. He has already pulled two work permits over such issues.

At the same time, city and state officials are desperately marketing the new buildings. Developer Larry Silverstein is scrambling for tenants for his 7 World Trade Center, just outside Ground Zero, despite a package of government-subsidized incentives that make the rent as much as $40 per-square-foot lower than midtown rents.

Insiders worry that Mr. Maikish's job does not carry enough direct authority to mediate among the various parties. He answers not only to Mr. Bloomberg, who is poised to win re-election, but also to a lame-duck governor who leaves office at the end of next year.

"Sure, he might be able to get cooperation, but it's not the same as being able to say, `Get it done or you're fired,' " says one insider.
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lots of arrows depicting the area the PATH train is going.

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A lot of interesting info in this article ...

As Ground Zero Plans Shift, Focus Turns to Retail Space

By DAVID W. DUNLAP
September 30, 2005

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/30/ny...30rebuild.html


A day after evicting the International Freedom Center museum from the memorial area at ground zero for being too controversial, officials described a plan yesterday for a half-million square feet of retail space elsewhere on the World Trade Center site.

And they said the cultural building designed by the Norwegian firm Snohetta, which was once intended for both the Freedom Center and the Drawing Center, will effectively become an extension of the underground memorial museum devoted solely to 9/11.

"The Snohetta building, as it's been called, the cultural building, will tell the story of Sept. 11," said John P. Cahill, Gov. George E. Pataki's chief of staff and the top-ranking downtown development official. Below and above ground, he said, there will "be a complementary picture, a comprehensive story, to be told at the cultural site."

The cultural building, as conceived until recently, had roughly 175,000 square feet of space, which would be a sizable addition to the 110,000-square-foot memorial museum.

On Wednesday, after learning that Mr. Pataki had ordered the Freedom Center off the memorial quadrant because it faced "too much opposition," its executives canceled their project. The Drawing Center, currently in SoHo, is looking for alternative space downtown.

It was clear yesterday that the Pataki administration is eager to change the subject.

Speaking at a breakfast sponsored by Crain's New York Business, Mr. Cahill said: "I have met with many business and community leaders, and they have told me firsthand about the need to expeditiously restore retail at the World Trade Center site. I could not agree more."

A table full of Wal-Mart executives also seemed to agree. "It would be a wonderful opportunity for any retailer to have that access to all those potential customers," said Mia Masten, Wal-Mart's director of corporate affairs, after listening to Mr. Cahill's speech.

But Ms. Masten said that she and her colleagues were at the breakfast simply to meet other executives and demonstrate their commitment to building in New York City, where Wal-Mart has faced a great deal of opposition.

Anthony R. Coscia, the chairman of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which owns the trade center site, cautioned in a later telephone interview against reading too much into their presence. "It's premature, to be frank, but if you think we're planning a big Wal-Mart, the answer is no," he said.

Mr. Coscia said the authority was considering some kind of rent surcharge on stores at the trade center - about 10 percent, he said, by way of example - to provide "an annuity for the next 30 years" that would go toward maintenance of the memorial.

Kenneth J. Ringler Jr., the executive director of the authority, said that none of the retail space would be within the memorial quadrant, which is the site of the twin tower footprints and is seen as untouchable for uses other than those related to 9/11.

"Port Authority folks are very sensitive to that site," he said. "Eighty-four of our own colleagues were lost."

Yet there is a chance that retail space around the quadrant could come in for some of the same criticism that felled the Freedom Center: that it would detract from the solemnity of the memorial.

"Are they going to have Victoria's Secret selling underwear?" asked Charles Wolf, a leader in the fight against the Freedom Center, whose wife, Katherine Wolf, worked in the north tower and was killed on Sept. 11. "Who knows?

"The fact of the matter is that families have a right to deal with the memorial quadrant and its environs. How hypocritical will it be for us to have a totally 9/11-related memorial quadrant and directly across Greenwich Street you have shops facing it which, overtly by their signage, are inappropriate?"

That objection could be overcome, Mr. Wolf added, if the stores and signs were discreet, tasteful and oriented to Church Street.

Mr. Coscia said the authority would be respectful of the site. "You don't have to tell anyone that the selectivity of tenants is important," he said, "because everyone knows it."

The agency plans 450,000 to 550,000 square feet of retail space - more than the floor area in the former trade center mall - at the PATH terminal and along Church Street, where the Tower 3 and Tower 4 office buildings are to rise.

"It's a very viable and important part of the rebuilding process to bring a substantial amount of retail back to the site," Mr. Coscia said, "because it will bring people back."

The stores could begin opening in 2009, he said.

There will be two levels of retail space below ground and three above, said James T. Connors, director of World Trade Center redevelopment. The authority may build temporary retail buildings on Church Street or permanent ones that would later be two- or three-story pedestals for the office towers.

Cortlandt Street may not be reopened between the Tower 3 and Tower 4 sites, although this had been a goal of the Bloomberg administration.

Westfield America held the trade center retail lease until 2003, when it was bought out by the authority for $140 million, and it still has the right to make the first offer on a new lease. For now, the authority is planning to develop the retail space itself, working with the real estate firms Jones Lang LaSalle and Tishman Speyer.

"Whatever happens there will encourage vibrant street life," Deputy Mayor Daniel L. Doctoroff said, "which has been our No. 1 priority."


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Downtown Is Bracing for the Chaos Of Construction at Ground Zero

BY DAVID LOMBINO - Staff Reporter of the Sun
April 28, 2006
URL: http://www.nysun.com/article/31809



Bostonians complained about the Big Dig for years. New Yorkers may soon understand why.

Like a long-awaited arrival of the cavalry, cranes and trucks finally showed up at ground zero yesterday. Soon, Lower Manhattan from the Battery up to Canal Street will be overflowing with hard hats, bright orange traffic cones, trucks, and noise. When the dust settles and about 15,000 construction workers head home - in roughly five or six years - the financial district will be entirely different.

Private developers and government agencies are preparing to pour more than $20 billion into new office and apartment buildings. But amid widespread enthusiasm that rebuilding is finally on track, nearly five years after the September 11, 2001, attacks, there is growing concern among those who live and work downtown about what the world's largest construction site process will mean for them.

"If you do everything too fast, you could potentially make Lower Manhattan virtually impossible to work in and live in," the district manager of down town's Community Board 1, Paul Goldstein, said.

Mayor Bloomberg and Governor Pataki in 2004 created the Lower Manhattan Construction Command Center to coordinate rebuilding among various public and private developers.

A command center director, Dan Mc-Cormick, acknowledged that his two dozen employees will have a tough task. He pointed out that Boston's Big Dig, a $14.6 billion highway project, took about 15 years to complete.

"The Big Dig was a huge project, but it was a much bigger space," he said. "In the consolidated space we are talking about, and in the third-largest business district in the country, this is a huge task."

Mr. McCormick said the peak of construction will not arrive for about two more years, in 2008.

Rep. Jerrold Nadler, a Democrat who represents Lower Manhattan, said he wants construction done in a way that would minimize potential negative health effects to residents.

"There is a lot of contamination left over from 9/11. Demolition and construction could put a lot of that in the air," Mr. Nadler said.

"A nuisance is a nuisance, that's bad enough. But environmental carelessness can kill people," he continued.

Mr. Nadler said that initial environmental planning, including the 2,000-page environmental report prepared by the city and state in 2004, was not adequate. But he said environmental controls are "moving in the right direction."

The amount of planned construction is staggering. This week, a framework agreement was reached between the Port Authority and developer Larry Silverstein that will allow construction to begin on the commercial development at ground zero.

Within a two-block radius of the former World Trade Center site, $9.9 billion of construction and infrastructure projects will take place. That includes the Freedom Tower, the memorial, the Calatrava PATH station, three giant commercial towers along Church Street, a retail center, a residential building on the site of the badly damaged Deutsche Bank building, and the Fulton Street transit hub.


Nearby, Goldman Sachs will build its $2 billion headquarters. Big residential towers, mostly slated to be luxury apartments, are planned north and south of ground zero and to the west in Battery Park City. To the east, Forest City Ratner will build a 75-story residential tower that contains a school.


The city's Department of Transportation is planning on improving both Chambers Street and lower Broadway, and Route 9A/West Street will be rebuilt from the Battery north to Chambers Street. All over the area, workers will be carrying out the bland but important work of relocating utilities.

Planners are comparing the Lower Manhattan projects to the planned $15 billion expansion of Chicago's O'Hare Airport and the rebuilding of New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina.


The president of the Alliance for Downtown New York, Eric Deutsch, said his organization is seeking to coordinate communication between the public and private sectors to keep car and pedestrian traffic moving, and to make sure the construction site looks clean and neat.

When the work is done, he said, "We are going to see a Lower Manhattan that will rival any dynamic central business district anywhere."

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Even the Burj Dubai's site will not be as active. Period.

thank you everyone, i am now going to shower, and then head to work. bye bye
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Even the Burj Dubai's site will not be as active. Period.

thank you everyone, i am now going to shower, and then head to work. bye bye
Hehe.. allright, thank you for all the interesting posts!
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Old August 11th, 2006, 11:22 PM   #133
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What's this bull of comparing Dubai to NYC? A place that has basically been a hick pudunk until yesterday gets some stuff going and now it thinks it's NYC. Absurd.
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DOWNTOWN'S CONSTRUCTION BLITZ READY TO MOVE ONWARD - AND UPWARD

By TOM TOPOUSIS
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May 8, 2006 -- As downtown braces for an onslaught of construction, The Post got a first look at the battle plan being drawn up to keep the massive building projects rolling.
Within two years, lower Manhattan's skyline will become a maze of tower cranes and steel girders, while workers closer to the ground tear up streets, knock down damaged buildings and rebuild the below-ground transit system.

"This is one of the single largest urban programs ever undertaken in America," said Charles Maikish, who has to coordinate the dozens of massive projects as executive director of the Lower Manhattan Construction Command Center.

"The challenge here is to do it and preserve the vitality of lower Manhattan," Maikish said.



Maikish and his team of engineers and planners are now putting the finishing touches on a plan to coordinate the enormous amount of construction work while at the same time keeping the nation's third-largest business district open.

The plan will coordinate the arrival of 3,000 concrete trucks a month, delivery of enough steel to build the Empire State Building six times over and the arrival of 7,000 construction workers every day.

"Lower Manhattan's resurgence is being forged in concrete and steel," said Gov. Pataki, adding that the projects will "ensure that downtown is positioned as the premier 21st-century central business district."

Altogether, $20 billion of construction will take place downtown over the next six years. The World Trade Center, PATH station and the 9/11 Memorial and Museum alone will account for half of that construction budget.

"It's unprecedented," said City Councilman Alan Gerson, a Democrat representing lower Manhattan whose primary concern is having an independent monitor to watch for potential environmental problems from all the work. Gerson said he's considering action by the City Council to get such an independent monitor.

Much has been made about the 10 million square feet of office space that will be built, but developers are busy with a residential boom that will boost downtown's population by 40 percent over the next four years during the height of construction.

Planned residential towers will add at least 8,000 apartments and condos by 2010, including five buildings slated for Battery Park City and two more across West Street at Chambers and Warren streets.

The project will tax the limits of the city's bridges, tunnels, highways and streets - not to mention the patience of 240,000 people who commute to work in lower Manhattan every day and the 36,000 who call it home.

To keep traffic rolling, the command center will create a satellite office of the city's Long Island City traffic center in lower Manhattan, where they can make immediate adjustments to traffic patterns as problems arise.

Maikish said his group is working with builders to set up staging areas for construction workers so that they won't all try to drive into lower Manhattan.

Lower Manhattan's voracious appetite for concrete will kick in about six months from now, and at its peak, the downtown projects will consume 3,000 truckloads of concrete a month from plants in Brooklyn and Queens.

Maikish said the command center will have to coordinate with the Department of Transportation and the Police Department to make sure those trucks can reach their destinations within 30 to 45 minutes. Any longer and the concrete is ruined.

The trucks will roll in over the Manhattan Bridge or through the Brooklyn-Battery Tunnel, unless Maikish and his engineers can come up with a plan to build a temporary mixing plant downtown to speed the flow of concrete.

Engineers are studying an alternative plan to mix concrete at a temporary plant in lower Manhattan to speed delivery, but that would likely have to delay construction of parts of the Hudson River Park, the only site that is potentially suitable.

Maikish said his agency has been working with contractors to line up heavy equipment, competing with projects in the Gulf Coast.

Thirty-four massive tower cranes will be needed - four alone at the Freedom Tower - to feed materials to the skyscrapers.

While much of the work will be heading skyward, one of the largest construction projects is digging a massive, 80-foot-deep foundation for three office towers slated for the World Trade Center's Church Street Corridor, beginning by summer.

That project will involve 2,000 trucks a day to haul off the rubble.

Moving pedestrians through the work sites is another challenge, with plans to reroute commuters over bridges and skyways where needed.

Maikish said the command center's main mission is to make sure that each project, public or private, is coordinated through a central agency.

"We've got to get materials in, the labor force in and heavy equipment in. It's an enormous job," Maikish said.

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ch1le........for your own good, i hope you have time, and a pair of reading glasses.
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remember now, while this thread is only the focus of one tower, its only encompassing about 1/8th of the entire site.
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your so full of it, and blind and ignorant. Please....
Like hell, 90% of the world didnt even know the WTC existed prior to 9/11, world economies didnt crash after they came down, the world didnt end!
A dime a dozen supertall?
haha, you have said enough.

dime a dozen supertall? how many times has the worlds tallest title been passed over in the past 10 years? the Burj Dubai's title is already being 'threatened' by another supertall, the Al Burj. New towers are planned every ****** day, so dont act as if the Burj Dubai is anything new, except for its height. There have been proposed 2,000 foot tall buildings already in Chicago and NYC, and quite a few i might add.

Why did so many tourists from all over the world eat at our restaurants atop the WTC, and take in views from the 77th floor observatory, and rooftop observatory? nobody knew about them? people came from all over the world to see these things. its not brain surgery.

are you ****** stupid?

aww boo hoo, the 'typical American' knows what hes talking about, and backed it up. where are you?
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Great posts. I asume that construction at the site will slow and come to a small stop shortly because of the fifth anniversary, then it will become that massive construction area that we have all been waiting for.
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I think the other buildings would be better with flat roofs.
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