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Old March 30th, 2010, 12:53 AM   #4281
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Life will be boring without media and marketing ...just remember the principle of Caveat Emptor...and let us wish media and marketing play a constructive role...
Caveat Emptor doesn't mean that one should idly watch and the government and the law and order machinery fiddle their thumbs when a swindler is allowed to make hay by unscrupulous and unethical means.

One single company telling all dark people are fit for nothing and their fairness cream will solve their problem laughing all the way to the bank with the easy money. They should be hauled to the court and the people running the business put behind the bars.

For one thing: telling dark skinned people can't get good husbands/wives or be successful in their profession which tantamounts to racism.

In India, such racistic policies have been going on for centuries and the populace take it for granted and doesn't even see it as an evil practice just like casteism, dowry, etc.

For antoher, can one show anybody who has 'benefitted' by turning 'fair'?

This is an utter lie and should be really taken to court. If it was US, they would be probably in jail by now and all their assets frozen.
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Caveat Emptor doesn't mean that one should idly watch and the government and the law and order machinery fiddle their thumbs when a swindler is allowed to make hay by unscrupulous and unethical means.

One single company telling all dark people are fit for nothing and their fairness cream will solve their problem laughing all the way to the bank with the easy money. They should be hauled to the court and the people running the business put behind the bars.

For one thing: telling dark skinned people can't get good husbands/wives or be successful in their profession which tantamounts to racism.

In India, such racistic policies have been going on for centuries and the populace take it for granted and doesn't even see it as an evil practice just like casteism, dowry, etc.

For antoher, can one show anybody who has 'benefitted' by turning 'fair'?

This is an utter lie and should be really taken to court. If it was US, they would be probably in jail by now and all their assets frozen.


This is a good moral argument, but would not hold water in a court of law. We can teach our family the values to not fall for this crass commercialism but imposing it on the larger population can even tantamount to infringing on freedom of speech.

Moreover, this is not to be confused with racism. How do you, then, categorize the following :-

Shorter people trying to get Taller
Fatter folks trying to get Thinner

The list goes on. Better to stay away from the bottomless abyss... Some arguments are better not made . If the perception of the folks is that they might change their own life quality or competence by turning to fairer skin -- well, they have the right to find out. Its not illegal to be stupid.
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Old March 30th, 2010, 03:43 AM   #4283
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Ramvaradan, there is a misunderstanding here, I believe. It may be due to the reason that had not made myself clear.

When a company sells a product promising to the consumers fairness and fails to deliver on their promise then it is a straight forward case of cheating on a large scale. I have not seen a single person who has turned fair on application of this fairness cream.

This wholesale cheating has been going due to the ignorance of the people, clever advertising and marketing and the government looking away.

How can you compare some body trying to become thinner or taller to the act of a big company making huge amount of money by fooling people and making false promises. I don't see any difference between charlatans promising heaven, quacks providing recovery from incurable diseases and these business magnates making people fair.

What is even more unfair in the fairness cream business is its double edged attack on the gullible - firstly, make them feel inferior for being dark by showing films how badly they are treated when dark, and then cheat them off their money by offering them some product which doesn't really do what they promise it would do. This would tantamount to unfair trade practice.

Here I am not blaming the person who is trying to become fairer but putting the blame on the businesses offering the fairness cream which doesn't really work. Therefore, your analogy of person trying to become thin or tall cannot be correct.

Freedom of speech doesn't entail making false claims, endorsing and/or encouraging discriminatory or deleterious practices.
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Old March 30th, 2010, 06:04 AM   #4284
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Ramvaradan, there is a misunderstanding here, I believe. It may be due to the reason that had not made myself clear.

When a company sells a product promising to the consumers fairness and fails to deliver on their promise then it is a straight forward case of cheating on a large scale. I have not seen a single person who has turned fair on application of this fairness cream.

This wholesale cheating has been going due to the ignorance of the people, clever advertising and marketing and the government looking away.

How can you compare some body trying to become thinner or taller to the act of a big company making huge amount of money by fooling people and making false promises. I don't see any difference between charlatans promising heaven, quacks providing recovery from incurable diseases and these business magnates making people fair.

What is even more unfair in the fairness cream business is its double edged attack on the gullible - firstly, make them feel inferior for being dark by showing films how badly they are treated when dark, and then cheat them off their money by offering them some product which doesn't really do what they promise it would do. This would tantamount to unfair trade practice.

Here I am not blaming the person who is trying to become fairer but putting the blame on the businesses offering the fairness cream which doesn't really work. Therefore, your analogy of person trying to become thin or tall cannot be correct.

Freedom of speech doesn't entail making false claims, endorsing and/or encouraging discriminatory or deleterious practices.

I am not sure if the ads are depicting discrimination between dark skin and fair skin. None of the ads show a comparison between two such persons. It only shows how a gal gets transformed in xx many days if she uses their product. It is the question of that particular gal in the ad whose thinks that her confidence is down coz of her complexion. Finally, its the individual's preferences. I am not sure if these products do really make a person fairer or people just get cheated. And always there is that fine print in the ad / product which has to be read before charging that the companies are cheating. The points raised by Ram are valid - see the latest complan ad, it says that complan drinking children grow twice as much as kids drinking other products - and also shows a boy being mocked at by other kids coz he is short - does it tantamount to discrimination??

I think finally its left to the consumer..whether he is going to get carried away by the ad or go by the merits...Ceveat Emptor..
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Old March 30th, 2010, 04:55 PM   #4285
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I am not sure if the ads are depicting discrimination between dark skin and fair skin. None of the ads show a comparison between two such persons. It only shows how a gal gets transformed in xx many days if she uses their product. It is the question of that particular gal in the ad whose thinks that her confidence is down coz of her complexion. Finally, its the individual's preferences. I am not sure if these products do really make a person fairer or people just get cheated. And always there is that fine print in the ad / product which has to be read before charging that the companies are cheating. The points raised by Ram are valid - see the latest complan ad, it says that complan drinking children grow twice as much as kids drinking other products - and also shows a boy being mocked at by other kids coz he is short - does it tantamount to discrimination??

I think finally its left to the consumer..whether he is going to get carried away by the ad or go by the merits...Ceveat Emptor..

If I remember correct, I have seen ads in which a dark girl finds it difficult to get a groom because of her skin colour and after she starts using the cream she turns fair and voila she gets a handsome husband. This is indeed blatant discrimination. It gives a message to the entire country that dark people are not preferred. That too in a country where 75 percent of the population is dark.

We don't see this as discrimination because we are so used to treat others like this and be treated by others. It comes naturally in India. Nobody will even question the unfairness of it all. Haven't we treated sections of our population like this or even worse for centuries?

Because other companies are involved in a similar swindling business doesn't make the fairness cream business ethical. It is like a thief submitting before the judge that he be freed on the grounds that there are so many others indulging in such activities.

If any of the claims made by such companies time and again either through ads or by another means cannot be proven empirically, they need to withdraw such claims and cannot continue to do business on those claims. They should also be willing to compensate those consumers (victims?) who were taken in by their clever ad campaigns.

How about me starting a business in India claiming cure for all types of cancers and offer a vitamin pill and have some fine print inserted that may something to the effect that it may work only in one in a 1000 th case (which may be by nature)?

I am allowed to do this because I have the fine print?
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Old March 30th, 2010, 05:10 PM   #4286
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Both the statements are true. Fair Heroines are made to be darker and even plumper. Manisha Koirala was fattened up for Bombay.
But overall you can see the trend, tamil audiences have no qualms for accepting darker out of shape heroes, but heroines has to be svelte, glamourous and fair.
I hope that this double standards end and they give major role to traditional Tamil girls. My preference is for Sandhya(Kaadhal) to be a super heroine whom I simply adore or perhaps more than that. )
ya iam not saying we are not fair skin lovers when it comes to heroines ..

but the statement by that friend was more provoking ..as though hindi cinema is out of these ideologies ... and they are trend setter is everything ... we already have many darker heroines even in older days .. radhika .. saritha ....
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ya iam not saying we are not fair skin lovers when it comes to heroines ..

but the statement by that friend was more provoking ..as though hindi cinema is out of these ideologies ... and they are trend setter is everything ... we already have many darker heroines even in older days .. radhika .. saritha ....
Yesterday I wrote a post with these two heroines name and then some network problem, I couldn't reproduce that post again.

Nandita das should be in that list.Bipasha is there in bollywood too. Orkut TCC is very famous about discussing this.
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Old March 30th, 2010, 05:26 PM   #4288
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Yesterday I wrote a post with these two heroines name and then some network problem, I couldn't reproduce that post again.

Nandita das should be in that list.Bipasha is there in bollywood too. Orkut TCC is very famous about discussing this.
ya ...

arul are u in tcc too ?? iam a active member there
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Old March 30th, 2010, 05:33 PM   #4289
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arul are u in tcc too ?? iam a active member there
hey guys me too...but inactive...
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Old March 30th, 2010, 05:41 PM   #4290
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arul are u in tcc too ?? iam a active member there
Yes, but not that active now. You can see me in IC active.

TCC Once very good community, serious discussion about Tamil cinema in depth, It was listed in top 10 communities from India by a private news in-spite of having just 12 or 13K members, but nowadays looked to be turned into fight community among fans.
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Old March 30th, 2010, 05:45 PM   #4291
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i was fighting with the mods today morning pitching the same thing what you said ... they immediatly block me saying either my standards or iq is low kindoff.. or it is not possible .. slowly it is building its repute thro fights thats it
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Old March 30th, 2010, 07:03 PM   #4292
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ya iam not saying we are not fair skin lovers when it comes to heroines ..

but the statement by that friend was more provoking ..as though hindi cinema is out of these ideologies ... and they are trend setter is everything ... we already have many darker heroines even in older days .. radhika .. saritha ....
don't get me wrong -there are very good movies in Tamil but thats an exception
may be 5 in 100 where they depict characters close to real world, In Hindi most movies are metro-nri centric not really depicting avg joe but there few good ones among those also.

Coming to fashion, generally fashion comes to India through Bollywood/Mumbai and people (all classes ) think Bollywood divas and studs are good looking all over India regardless of states most urban and try to copy. Dusky was in when Bipasha Basu became popular infact lot of really fair heroines tried to tone down a bit with copper tone skin in movies . All it takes a couple of dark skinned divas to change the perception that dark is beautiful too. Its easy if it happens from Hindi
Kajol, Asin, Bipasha Basu are examples of dark skinned ones in Bollywood

People like dark skinned girls if they have sharp features karupa irunthalum kalaiya irukkanu they will comment but still put this "Karupaa irunthalum"
Take this Devayani, she looks ugly but still a popular heroine only because of her fair skin I think, Don't get me wrong Saritha was known for acting not for looks. Radhika/Roja Bhanupriya/Radha were popular but in most movies they had 2 inch make up on and really did'nt know they were dark skinned unless you seem them in person or without make up.
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don't get me wrong -there are very good movies in Tamil but thats an exception
may be 5 in 100 where they depict characters close to real world, In Hindi most movies are metro-nri centric not really depicting avg joe but there few good ones among those also.

Coming to fashion, generally fashion comes to India through Bollywood/Mumbai and people (all classes ) think Bollywood divas and studs are good looking all over India regardless of states most urban and try to copy. Dusky was in when Bipasha Basu became popular infact lot of really fair heroines tried to tone down a bit with copper tone skin in movies . All it takes a couple of dark skinned divas to change the perception that dark is beautiful too. Its easy if it happens from Hindi
Kajol, Asin, Bipasha Basu are examples of dark skinned ones in Bollywood

People like dark skinned girls if they have sharp features karupa irunthalum kalaiya irukkanu they will comment but still put this "Karupaa irunthalum"
Take this Devayani, she looks ugly but still a popular heroine only because of her fair skin I think, Don't get me wrong Saritha was known for acting not for looks. Radhika/Roja Bhanupriya/Radha were popular but in most movies they had 2 inch make up on and really did'nt know they were dark skinned unless you seem them in person or without make up.

what i meant is there are equal shares of pros and cons when it comes to cinema .. whether bollywood or kollywood .. am in no way justifying kollywood's ridicules brother ...

iam an aspiring actor and am dark skinned too .. i know what it likes to be one ...u wont get immediate recogonization even if ur an actor [dark] in terms of look too...
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what i meant is there are equal shares of pros and cons when it comes to cinema .. whether bollywood or kollywood .. am in no way justifying kollywood's ridicules brother ...

iam an aspiring actor and am dark skinned too .. i know what it likes to be one ...u wont get immediate recogonization even if ur an actor [dark] in terms of look too...
being dark skinned is actually an advantage in Tamil Cinema for a male actor
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Thumbs down Chennai’s walls defaced by amateur artwork

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/chenn...ur-artwork-366

March 30: The Corporation of Chennai’s attempt to win back Chief minister Karunanidhi’s favour by capitalizing on the latter’s love for literature is threatening to backfire.
The corporation, as a part of the city beautification plan, had decided to save the city walls from cinema and political posters by painting the walls with cultural sceneries last year. Sadly, the paintings were washed away during the rains, forcing them to repaint.
The new batch of art work, unfortunately, is not up to the mark and amateurish in places.

Apparently the civic body had awarded the painting contract to more than one party this time and Mayor M. Subramanian had intervened and advised the painters to represent Sangam Tamil literature.
Predictably, an episode of Silapathigaram was painted on the walls near Adayar Poonga on the arterial Greenways Road - the DMK supremo penned the celluloid version of the masterpiece of Elangovadigal under the name Poompuhar.
A sequence depicting Kannagi’s heated argument in the court of the Pandya King is drawn there.
Similarly, Tamil cultural symbols like Jallikattu, pallankuzhi were painted on city walls elsewhere. Unfortunately, the artists were not up to the mark and the paintings on the wall of a building in the same neighbourhood as the DMK youth wing office Anbagam near Teynampet signal are quite amateurish.
When asked, Mr Subramanian admitted to shortfalls and assured to rectify them shortly. About three lakh sq ft of city walls will be painted at a rate of nearly Rs 32 per sq. ft., the mayor told this newspaper.
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You see the wall paintings in Bangalore in one of the their threads. They look awesome including one with a super 3D effect when viewed from a distance!

Why can't they hire pros do this instead of some amateurs?
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March 30: The Corporation of Chennai’s attempt to win back Chief minister Karunanidhi’s favour by capitalizing on the latter’s love for literature is threatening to backfire.
The corporation, as a part of the city beautification plan, had decided to save the city walls from cinema and political posters by painting the walls with cultural sceneries last year. Sadly, the paintings were washed away during the rains, forcing them to repaint.
The new batch of art work, unfortunately, is not up to the mark and amateurish in places.

Apparently the civic body had awarded the painting contract to more than one party this time and Mayor M. Subramanian had intervened and advised the painters to represent Sangam Tamil literature.
Predictably, an episode of Silapathigaram was painted on the walls near Adayar Poonga on the arterial Greenways Road - the DMK supremo penned the celluloid version of the masterpiece of Elangovadigal under the name Poompuhar.
A sequence depicting Kannagi’s heated argument in the court of the Pandya King is drawn there.
Similarly, Tamil cultural symbols like Jallikattu, pallankuzhi were painted on city walls elsewhere. Unfortunately, the artists were not up to the mark and the paintings on the wall of a building in the same neighbourhood as the DMK youth wing office Anbagam near Teynampet signal are quite amateurish.
When asked, Mr Subramanian admitted to shortfalls and assured to rectify them shortly. About three lakh sq ft of city walls will be painted at a rate of nearly Rs 32 per sq. ft., the mayor told this newspaper.
WTF.Dont they know there are some kind of water proof paints? Are they so stupid? I loved especially those on mount road.
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From today, education becomes a fundamental right

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NEW DELHI: On Thursday — April 1 — India will join a group of few countries in the world, with a historic law making education a fundamental right of every child coming into force.

Making elementary education an entitlement for children in the 6-14 age group, the Right of Children to Free and Compulsory Education Act, 2009 will directly benefit close to one crore children who do not go to school at present.

In an unprecedented move, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on Thursday will address the nation, announcing the operationalisation of the Act.

“Tomorrow [Thursday] is a historic day as the Right to Education Act comes into effect. For the first time, education will become a constitutional right. It is a tryst with destiny in the area of education,” Union Human Resource Development Minister Kapil Sibal told reporters. He said it was the responsibility of all stakeholders to enforce it.........
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WTF.Dont they know there are some kind of water proof paints? Are they so stupid? I loved especially those on mount road.

These stuffs are to be treated like road project.
Every year they relay our roads after monsoon, so some pockets can be filled, same procedure for these paints also.
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These stuffs are to be treated like road project.
Every year they relay our roads after monsoon, so some pockets can be filled, same procedure for these paints also.
And the painters get constant employment and so do the fake paint manufacturers.
Hope they paint new pictures every year, which may atleast give a fresh face every year.
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