Chennai discussions II

[ChennaiIndian]

For those who are interested - discussions on the McKinsey report are going on at http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1115571

[satishanu]

TN politicos need to learn a thing or two from Yeddi as he recently visited Chennai to woo investors from TN to invest in their state. He also wooed investors from AP as well.
This will encourage some investors to invest in Karnataka which would be loss to host state.

Our politicos seems to be content with the current investments. They have to market aggressively.

[Anniyan]

Originally Posted by satishanu

TN politicos need to learn a thing or two from Yeddi as he recently visited Chennai to woo investors from TN to invest in their state. He also wooed investors from AP as well.
This will encourage some investors to invest in Karnataka which would be loss to host state.

Our politicos seems to be content with the current investments. They have to market aggressively.

Our guys are thanmana singangal! yaaridamum enthi sella mattargal!

Vanthaal virunthombal seivargal! Kuduthaal vangi kolvaaragal!

[Arasu]

unmai. indha thanmaana suyamariyaadhai singangal aduthavaridam kaiyendhamaataar. Anaal adhuthavar ivar kaalil vandhu vizhavendum enru edhirpaarpaar.


aanaalum nilamai evvalavo maariyulladhu ippodhellam.

[cofee]

Originally Posted by satishanu

TN politicos need to learn a thing or two from Yeddi as he recently visited Chennai to woo investors from TN to invest in their state. He also wooed investors from AP as well.
This will encourage some investors to invest in Karnataka which would be loss to host state.

Our politicos seems to be content with the current investments. They have to market aggressively.

Which Party/leader is good for Chennai's development

Guys I am not political.

I have an interesting question.

Is ADMK (Jaya) or DMK (MK &MKS) better for the growth of chennai's (and TN's) Infrastructure and industrial growth?

I thought for a while and following things came up to my mind:


• Though Guyndy & Amathur Industrial estate was commenced during Congress (Bakthavacham) DMK (Anna) developed and completed it.

• Marina Beautification in the 70’s and Coovam cleaning in the 70’s (which was a failure and ended up with a boat ramp and restaurant run by TTDC)

• I see many roads, bridges and flyovers (Including Gemini Flyover).

• Koyambedu Bus terimus and Market was concived and built by M.K but Inagurated by Jaya as government changed when nearing completion.

• T.R Balu commenced many road & Flyover projects (Kathipara, Padi, Koyambedu etc) and he had to literally fight Mumbai, WB & Kerala to get the IMU to Chennai.

• Stalin Keen on many projects such as Financial City,Metro etc.

• The new state assembly.

Can any one tell me what major projects Jaylaitha in her 10 year term did for Chennai.

I think Jaya built the SAF sports village (Now government officer’s quarters)


which party (or person) is good for the development of Chennai & TN?


Where would Chennai be if Jaya was in power for the past 5 years.

your views are welcomed.

[jayak914]

No Jayalalitha also did something for the basement of IT in Chennai

She only brought Mahindra World City during her Regime.

She only Brings Infosys Largest Development Center in MWC.

She only Started 1000 acre Siruseri IT Park ,lending lands to IT Companies to start their campuses in chennai.(TCS,CTS,Syntel,Patni,Hexaware,Polaris)

She only promoted Shollinganallur IT SEZ by lending Lands of about 377 acres to Wipro,
Satyam, HCL.

But only thing I need to say is that she looks for money and so she distributed lands to corporates to cheaper rates.

These news won't come in newspaper, because everything kept secret.

she got captured, while giving land to Singapore Ascendas Group of about 100 acres.

Anyshow she did some goog thing by making falsely.

[jayak914]

I am not ADMK to describe this, I am a common man

[vs007]

Originally Posted by jayak914

She only Brings Infosys Largest Development Center in MWC.

It was advertised at that time with 120 acres, Infy then started concentrating on other cities with even bigger and new one in blore will be 300-400 acres, whereas the 120 acres in MWC is still to grow to even top 2-3 of INFY offices.

Originally Posted by jayak914

she got captured, while giving land to Singapore Ascendas Group of about 100 acres.

It was Singapore realty residential project with their office in Kasi Arcade, which was canned by DMK when they came to power in 2006.

Despite the entire list, she never actively pursued industries or any projects like Stalin does. Her worst crime was announcing tidel park in CBE in 2001 and slept on it and the land prices skyrocketed to roof making that city unable to compete and Pune zoomed past CBE in the last 9 years and the Tidel Park is getting finished only now!!! She destroyed the IT prospects of that city by her mouth and subsequent inaction.

Between Stalin and Jaya, I would support and hope for Stalin to be CM. If its Azhagiri, then god save TN and god does not exist atleast as per DMK and rationalists.

[Arul Murugan]

Originally Posted by vs007

Despite the entire list, she never actively pursued industries or any projects like Stalin does. Her worst crime was announcing tidel park in CBE in 2001 and slept on it and the land prices skyrocketed to roof making that city unable to compete and Pune zoomed past CBE in the last 9 years and the Tidel Park is getting finished only now!!! She destroyed the IT prospects of that city by her mouth and subsequent inaction.

Between Stalin and Jaya, I would support and hope for Stalin to be CM. If its Azhagiri, then god save TN and god does not exist atleast as per DMK and rationalists.

So does even this government did the same thing. 4years rolled off, still an office building in the name of IT park in not yet completed in CBE. And it now sky rocketing price around IT parks in other 5 cities where this gvt announced the IT parks in 2006 which is in paper. Final outcome, both the parties "kurunilla manargal" got jackpot in real estate business.

[vs007]

Originally Posted by Arul Murugan

So does even this government did the same thing. 4years rolled off, still an office building in the name of IT park in not yet completed in CBE. And it now sky rocketing price around IT parks in other 5 cities where this gvt announced the IT parks in 2006 which is in paper. Final outcome, both the parties "kurunilla manargal" got jackpot in real estate business.

There is a subtle difference though, this govt pushed construction of tidel park in cbe and atleast you can see Stalin of dreaming big like financial city, sateliite city(canned due to PMK), river cleanup, new assembly and you could some fruits of the drive. Unfortunately AIADMK has one and only voice Jaya who is not present in such vision. Her other blunder was to ease out Vivek Hariniarian: Probably the best IT secretary of TN is not of all the states who coined “silent performer” and got the iT Industries.

Regarding IT parks in other towns, the demand is low, not that DMK is not trying. Whether we like it or not TN has an image problem, and the only two cities acceptable would be Chennai and CBE.

[Arul Murugan]

Originally Posted by vs007

Regarding IT parks in other towns, the demand is low, not that DMK is not trying. Whether we like it or not TN has an image problem, and the only two cities acceptable would be Chennai and CBE.

Mangaluru, Mysuru, Hubali, Calicut, Cochin, Trivandrum and Vizag too have put their foot mark on IT business. It is not demand is low, TN gvt could not market like other tier II cities in South India. I fully agree on your points like river clean up, financial city etc., but these are on papers not in reality. Flyovers and replacement of green dabba Pallavans are the real show up for Chennai in past 10years in the infrastructure which happened in last 5 years of gvt. Metro, Airport, ORR eggs are to be hatched in next 3-5 years.

Yes they pushed the construction after results of last parliamentary election in western TN, otherwise it would have been like a railway project.

[R2IChennai]

Originally Posted by Arul Murugan

Mangaluru, Mysuru, Hubali, Calicut, Cochin, Trivandrum and Vizag too have put their foot mark on IT business. It is not demand is low, TN gvt could not market like other tier II cities in South India. I fully agree on your points like river clean up, financial city etc., but these are on papers not in reality. Flyovers and replacement of green dabba Pallavans are the real show up for Chennai in past 10years in the infrastructure which happened in last 5 years of gvt. Metro, Airport, ORR eggs are to be hatched in next 3-5 years.

Yes they pushed the construction after results of last parliamentary election in western TN, otherwise it would have been like a railway project.

Mangalore is getting investments mainly because of Infosys/Mphasis because executives belonging to those region, Mysore has few due to proximity, i dont think many other company invested there, Vizag /Cochin probably is on the same range like coimbatore, calicut and IT and I am not sure about it, only TRV is better of than Coimbatore because of kerala govt effort to establish atleast one center to attract malayalee talent.

Besides top 6 metros+Pune, i think Bhubaneshwar, Chandigarh and TRV are the only tier II IT centers of reasonable size.

We need Vivek Harinarain kind of officers, TN has to start working on global summits and acquire huge land banks

[shekar]

CM plans library in old assembly hall
Move To Counter Jaya’s Plan To Shift Power Citadel Back To Fort St George

CHANGE OF PLAN: Dropping his earlier plan to preserve the assembly hall in Fort St George as a museum for posterity, the DMK patriarch has now decided to convert it into a library for the Central Institute of Classical Tamil (CICT)

Chennai: Politics is a game of chess, if one has to use the cliché, but only a few politicians may be able to match the ingenuity of Tamil Nadu chief minister M Karunanidhi and AIADMK chief J Jayalalithaa when it comes to making moves and counter moves on the political board.
While Jayalalithaa, who has denounced the newly-built Rs 500-crore assembly complex as ‘distasteful,’ vowed to shift the state’s citadel of power back to the historical Fort St George when her party comes to power, Karunanidhi was swift in making counter plans. Dropping his earlier plan to preserve the assembly hall in Fort St George as a museum, the DMK patriarch has now decided to convert it into a library for the Central Institute of Classical Tamil (CICT).
The chief minister had already announced that the CICT, now functioning in the ‘Palar Illam’ on Kamarajar road facing the beach, would be shifted to the 17th century building once the construction of the new assembly complex is fully completed and the offices of the chief minister and ministers move in to the new premises. But his plans to convert the stately assembly hall, wall panelled with rose wood and lit by a king-size chandelier, into a library have come as a surprise to many.
“He initially wanted to keep the assembly hall undisturbed and maintain it as a museum considering its historical significance. And, that is the reason why the replicas of Speaker’s chair, donated by Lord Willingdon, and portraits of the state’s prominent leaders that adorned the wall were replicated and used in the new House,” sources said. If the Hall is converted into a library, all the furniture will be removed and put to use for various assembly committees and the Speaker’s chair will be used in the legislative council to be revived shortly.
While the construction of a massive state-of-the-art assembly building, which was inaugurated by prime minister Manmohan Singh in the presence of Congress president Sonia Gandhi on March 13, is seen by his supporters as the crowning glory in the nearly seven-decade-long political career of the octogenarian leader, his bete noire, Jayalalithaa, has ridiculed it, saying the architectural design of the building is “repulsive and has no aesthetic sense.” Reportedly commenting at her party’s executive council meeting that the building resembled the hat of policemen in Puducherry, she has said that she will move the assembly back to Fort St George when the AIADMK comes to power.
CICT sources said the institute had acquired 17 acres of land at Perumbakkam and the construction of a building would begin in a few months. As the ‘Palar Illam’ was not sufficient enough, the HRD ministry had already approved a facility at Guindy industrial estate. “Since the chief minister has come out with such a proposal, we are unable to take further action. So far, there is no official communication with regard to shifting to Fort St George. But if Karunanidhi, who is the chairman of the institute, says so, then we have to shift,” the sources added.
The CICT’s library at present has a collection of 20,000 rare books, but due to lack of space it couldn’t be equipped with readers’ section and journals’ section, they said.

www.timesofindia.com

[MyNation]

Originally Posted by cofee

Which Party/leader is good for Chennai's development

Guys I am not political ( I cant even vote in India)

I have an interesting question.

Is ADMK (Jaya) or DMK (MK &MKS) better for the growth of chennai's (and TN's) Infrastructure and industrial growth?

I thought for a while and following things came up to my mind:

To name a few DMK did the following:

• Created Annanagar, Ashok Nagar, KK Nagar, Beasant Nagar, Madurai Anna Nagar & KK Nagar using TNHB.

• Though Guyndy & Amathur Industrial estate was commenced during Congress (Bakthavacham) DMK (Anna) developed and completed it.

• Marina Beautification in the 70’s and Coovam cleaning in the 70’s (which was a failure and ended up with a boat ramp and restaurant run by TTDC)

• I see many roads, bridges and flyovers (Including Gemini Flyover).

• Koyambedu Bus terimus and Market was concived and built by M.K but Inagurated by Jaya as government changed when nearing completion.

• T.R Balu commenced many road & Flyover projects (Kathipara, Padi, Koyambedu etc) and he had to literally fight Mumbai, WB & Kerala to get the IMU to Chennai.

Can any one tell me what major projects Jaylaitha in her 10 year term did for Chennai.

I must say Jaya was far better.
Jaya was instrumental in projects like Rain water Harvesting and bringing Veeranam to chennai.
Rain water Harvesting was tried in AP after jaya implemented it, but it failed. Jaya succeeded because she is an iron lady who can take bold steps.
because of RWH and Veeranam, ppl of chennai running behind lorries for water is a rare sight now.
U need to appreciate ppl who have long term vision and not like stalin or karuna who built so many 600 metres flyovers.
I must say that most of the flyovers dont serve the purpose. for example, cenatoph road flyover which was opened recently has been made one-way during peak hours. Thats terrible. Anna univ flyover was another ill-planned flyover. We saw many forumers blasting at the govt after the south usman road flyover was opened.
Coming to the point abt TR baalu, u guys have to understand the fact that kathipara, padi,koyambedu and airport flyovers were part of GQ project proposed and designed during NDA regime where TR baalu was not the minister of surface transport.TR baalu jus had to implement and any minsiter would have done it. The first phase of chennai byepass was opened long back in 2005 , but the second phase is still not open, Baalu's 5 yr team was horrible. NDA regime constructed roads at 11km/day but under Baalu, the NHAI constructed roads at just 2kms/ day which cost his post in UPA-2.

Originally Posted by cofee

• Stalin Keen on many projects such as Financial City,Metro etc..

Financial city? its too small when u compare to the proposed one at gujart. Its not of much use.
Metro- They got the approval quickly because DMK is an important ally, but i wonder when karuna can go to delhi to lobby for cabinet ministries for his family members why cant he lobby for a railway line to sriperumbudur when industries deseparetely need it. If karuna is so much interested in development, then he wouldnt have sacked Maran.

•

Originally Posted by cofee

• The new state assembly...

Its an yuck structure. they could have invested this money for the various under construction ROBs at south chennai and finished it sooner. or they could have taken up the proposed thruvanmiyur flyover.
the state's debt is now 89000cr according to CAG. The source for the same is : http://findarticles.com/p/news-artic.../ai_n53631660/

My question is when the state is under so much debt, y do u go for free tv sets when u dont even have money to construct a flyover at a crucial intersection.



I think Jaya built the SAF sports village (Now government officer’s quarters)

Originally Posted by cofee

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I know both are corrupt and unethical political parties, but which party (or person) is good for the development of Chennai & TN?


Where would Chennai be if Jaya was in power for the past 5 years.

your views are welcomed.

as someone said, had jaya ruled the past 5 yrs, chennai would have seen more pubs.
IT would have been given more preference as she was instrumental for siruseri Sipcot,MWC, DLF IT park, and so many IT parks that u now see in IT corridor. This govt failed big time in bringing IT investments.

chennai would have got some long term solution for traffic problem unlike this govt which is building flyovers with no ramps and atlast they make it one-way.

[vs007]

Originally Posted by MyNation

Jaya was instrumental in projects like Rain water Harvesting and bringing Veeranam to chennai.

Yup that was a good move and she did that and full marks to her for that!
Plus the firing of 100000 striking lazy govt workers, showed her mettle. But too bad she had to take them back due to election plus kept on the temp workers too adding to the exchequer.

Originally Posted by MyNation

Anna univ flyover was another ill-planned flyover. TR baalu jus had to implement and any minsiter would have done it. Financial city? its too small.Metro- They got the approval quickly because DMK is an important ally. State Assembly: Its an yuck structure.

Lets credit where credit is due.

Maran was instrumental in getting the elect hardware industries. The chip manufacturing park would have come to Chennai too with Maran’s push had amma decided to move on it and allocate land, but we lost it to hyd because she was scared the credit will go to maran. Yes, she did bring industries to chennai, but Stalin + Maran have done yeoman’s job for chennai.

Actually Jaya would have been better without Karuna and vice versa. These two people just bring out the worse in each other and TN would have been better off without these two.

[MyNation]

Originally Posted by vs007

Lets credit where credit is due.

Maran was instrumental in getting the elect hardware industries. The chip manufacturing park would have come to Chennai too with Maran’s push had amma decided to move on it and allocate land, but we lost it to hyd because she was scared the credit will go to maran. Yes, she did bring industries to chennai, but Stalin + Maran have done yeoman’s job for chennai. .

i appreciate Maran. if u had seen my previous post, u could have noticed that i had said that if dmk is so much interested in development, then they wouldnt have sacked Maran.
stalin shows he is pro-development but he is not an able administrator as jaya. Very good examples are the flyovers at chennai.

Originally Posted by vs007

Actually Jaya would have been better without Karuna and vice versa. These two people just bring out the worse in each other and TN would have been better off without these two.

i must say that jaya was better than karuna. DMK which was once started as a revolutionary party is now a family affair because of Karuna. Stalin and Maran are pro-development. Jaya is also pro-development, but i would give an extra mark to jaya , because she is an able administrator who managed the state's finances in an efficient manner after the treasury was emptied in 2001.

[ranga]

Originally Posted by jayak914

No Jayalalitha also did something for the basement of IT in Chennai

She only brought Mahindra World City during her Regime.

She only Brings Infosys Largest Development Center in MWC.

She only Started 1000 acre Siruseri IT Park ,lending lands to IT Companies to start their campuses in chennai.(TCS,CTS,Syntel,Patni,Hexaware,Polaris)

She only promoted Shollinganallur IT SEZ by lending Lands of about 377 acres to Wipro,
Satyam, HCL.

But only thing I need to say is that she looks for money and so she distributed lands to corporates to cheaper rates.

These news won't come in newspaper, because everything kept secret.

she got captured, while giving land to Singapore Ascendas Group of about 100 acres.

Anyshow she did some goog thing by making falsely.

"She got captured.while giving land to singapore Ascendas group of about 100 acres" What exactly u mean. unable to comprehend. THELIVA CHOLLU PA.

[ranga]

Originally Posted by jayak914

I am not ADMK to describe this, I am a common man

Are there no common man (Aam Admi) in ADMK party.All are crorepati there?

[ranga]

Originally Posted by MyNation

i appreciate Maran. if u had seen my previous post, u could have noticed that i had said that if dmk is so much interested in development, then they wouldnt have sacked Maran.
stalin shows he is pro-development but he is not an able administrator as jaya. Very good examples are the flyovers at chennai.



i must say that jaya was better than karuna. DMK which was once started as a revolutionary party is now a family affair because of Karuna. Stalin and Maran are pro-development. Jaya is also pro-development, but i would give an extra mark to jaya , because she is an able administrator who managed the state's finances in an efficient manner after the treasury was emptied in 2001.

Jaya is no good administrator as she is egoist and whimsical.Pro-Development is to big a word used on her.

[MyNation]

Originally Posted by ranga

Jaya is no good administrator as she is egoist and whimsical.Pro-Development is to big a word used on her.

What would you call a person who managed the state's finances in an efficeint manner after the treasury was emptied. She was at the helm of affairs from 01-06 and by 2006, the state recovered so well that the current dmk govt is now able to give free tv sets and gas connections and took the state back to huge debt levels. Dont u think that managing the state's finances is the most important task of the govt ? she did manage it very well and dont u think thats an achievement ranga?
She is egoistic because people made her so. Being a lady , and fighting against her political opponents(goons?) in TN single-handedly for the past 25 years is not an easy task.
If giving lands to IT companies at siruseri,MWC and porur , and bringing veeranam to chennai and RWH are not called pro-development, then what do you mean by pro-development?

Ranga, I am not with the admk but please go by administration and not by free tv sets and one-way flyovers with no ramps.