Chennai discussions II

[ceeznic pirate]

Originally Posted by RajBang

people like kvs are in minority.

how did u arrive into that?

[ranga]

Originally Posted by R2IChennai

The biggest problem with Jaya is she can't handle anyone getting power in center so even if Cong allies with jaya she won't give important cabinet posts to her party men but rather some dummy post (or may beshe learn from karuna that Central ministry is big ATM and appoints sasi's family men there)
In anycase we need same party at center and state, DMK has done some good things, TR baalu converted lot of state highways to NH, TN has 3nd largest NH in the country considering we are 8th largest state.UPA-2 has been disaster this alagiri moron is useless so is Raja and Maran is underplaying.

My dear young chennaites UPA 2 is a disaster for the whole country not just for Tamil Nadu.The way P.M answered the questions in the press meet(Press meet conducted after 48 months) in delhi is a clear indication UPA2 loosing steam 12 months after the commencement of their second innings.

[ranga]

Originally Posted by RajBang

DMK should stop wasting money like sethu samudram, cooumm and concentrate seriously on Tamil Nadus growth.

1. invest money in Building infrastructure(not mini flyovers). ( electricity, roads , water supply, ports, drainage system , metro, railway line to sriperumbudur, share the cost with railways).

not waste the money in tamil meet, cooumm etc.

2. appoint eminent lawyers to represent TN in supreme court for periyar, palar, cauvery. not suppi-kuppi lawyers.

3. stop illegal sand quarrying in Palar and cauvery which is going to AP, kerala , KA.

if they dont take corrective measures people will.

Sethusamudram is a good project that will acclerate growth in southern TN.
Cooum is a open drainage flowing through the heart of the city and therefore urgent steps are required to cleanse it to make chennai atleast presentable.No other metros in India has such ugly open drainage with unbearable stentch as cooum in chennai.

[ranga]

Satellite towns progress well around chennai

Welcome to the ‘New Chennai'



Spurred by rapid industrial growth, effective public-private partnership and good rail and road connectivity, Maraimalai Nagar has finally come into its own as a self-contained satellite town, reports Prince Frederick







Coming of age: The Estancia towers (left), Vidya Mandir, the SRM group of institutions (right), and the Vallanchery lake in the backdrop.

A spurt in industrial activity and a raft of housing projects have made Maraimalai Nagar a hot realty space beyond the Chennai suburbs. The town and its surrounding areas are today hailed as ‘New Chennai'.

However, Maraimalai Nagar's transformation has come later than expected. Ever since the late 1970s, Maraimalai Nagar has been touted as a satellite town; but the lack of any significant development made a mockery of this description. “The town was ahead of its times. It was being promoted as a satellite town when the need for such townships was not pressing. Land was readily available within Madras and the prospect of living 45 km away was not inviting,” says P. Suresh, managing director, L&T Arun Excello Realty. “The idea of moving to Maramalai Nagar generated about the same enthusiasm that moving to Marakanam would now.”

To make good CMDA's promise in the First Master Plan, the various arms of the Government worked hard to make Maraimalai Nagar a model town.

Residential clusters for varied income groups were a sign of this resolve. Despite all the acquisitions and planned development, the progress was not up to the expectations. Reason: the area lacked potent drivers of development.

It took a private-public partnership to speed up growth. The Mahindra World City, an integrated business city developed by Mahindra Group and TIDCO, put Maraimalai Nagar well on the map. When Infosys moved into the area in the early part of this decade, interest in the business city grew by leaps and bounds.

“The Infosys move swung the pendulum considerably in favour of Maraimalai Nagar. That's when the Mahindra World City became an engine powering development in the area,” says Suresh. “There have been other drivers such as the Ford company, SRM [group of institutions] and the MEPZ. Despite its location in Tambaram, MEPZ was a factor in the development of areas lying beyond,” says Suresh.

Realty experts with their ears to the ground say Maraimalai Nagar can't be viewed in isolation. “As much as they have benefitted from Maraimalai Nagar, areas close to the township have contributed to its growth,” says M. Arun Kumar, managing director, Casa Grande.

It is a two-way process, where the satellite township and the surrounding area feed on each other. Commuter towns (residential areas out of which people commute daily for work) on NH45 are growing bigger due to Maramalai Nagar. An increased demand for housing in these areas is a clear marker of this trend.

The process of symbiotic growth has led to urban agglomeration. “Urban development is continuous from Chennai up to Maraimalai Nagar; this stretch has the makings of an urban agglomerate,” says Suresh.

Effective transport infrastructure rank high among the factors driving urban agglomeration. “The South line of the Chennai Suburban Railway is without comparison. It has mitigated the problem of distance effectively,” says Arun. “A quasi-satellite town, Sriperumbudur is clearly disadvantaged by the lack of rail connectivity.”

“People are not crippled by distance, but vehicular traffic that is disproportionate to road space,” says Suresh. “A freer road and option of taking the train makes travelling to Maraimalai Nagar less time-consuming than reaching many points within the city.” Rail and road connectivity, coupled with Government planning, have made Maraimalai Nagar a balanced township. “The 100-feet road that separates residential areas from the industrial area graphically illustrates prudent planning,” says Anand Jain, managing director, Hallmark Infrastructure.

It is this balance that puts other areas along the NH45 in the shade. “Chromepet and Pallavaram are also townships. But Maraimalai Nagar is more self-contained. It generates jobs the way none of these commuter towns can,” says Arun.

Suresh cites social infrastructure for Maramalai Nagar's added attraction. It gives the town an edge over other areas that are also experiencing phenomenal industrial growth (such as Oragadam).

On a slightly critical note, Arun points out that Maraimalai Nagar is yet to reach full potential. “At present, massive development is found only within a five to six kilometre radius. It can extend to at least a radius of 15 kilometres. Maraimalai Nagar is an unfinished masterpiece.”

Developers seem to have worked out a uniform format for Maraimalai Nagar and surrounding areas. Their projects do not feature small-sized flats and houses.

Akshaya Homes' Metropolis offers living spaces that are not less than 1,900 sq.ft. In Hallmark Infrastructure's Golden County, the smallest apartment is 1,680 sq.ft.; and in L&T Arun Excello's Estancia, it is 1,500 sq.ft. Lancor Holdings' Abode Valley's minimum space is 1,125 sq.ft.

“We are looking at buyers from Channai. Most people moving out of the city look for a bigger living space. Houses in the 800 sq.ft. range don't interest them,” is how Chitty Babu, chairman and managing director, Akshaya Homes, explains it. Other features shared by these projects are their more-than-usual focus on investment buyers. In an effort to woo them, Hallmark Infrastructure offers to make a three-year rental arrangement for the flats sold to its customers. The buyer is paid Rs. 5.76 lakh, the money his flat would earn for the next three years. “There are three groups that are of interest. One, end users.

Two, NRIs with plans to wind up work abroad and settle down in India. Third, investment buyers,” says P. Suresh, managing director, L&T Arun Excello Realty. “Chennai is an end user driven market. Our experience in Potheri is different. We find a well-proportioned mix of end user and investor buyers,” says Mallika Ravi, CEO, Lancor Holdings.


Big is beautiful


Developers seem to have worked out a uniform format for Maraimalai Nagar and surrounding areas. Their projects do not feature small-sized flats and houses.


Akshaya Homes' Metropolis offers living spaces that are not less than 1,900 sq.ft. In Hallmark Infrastructure's Golden County, the smallest apartment is 1,680 sq.ft.; and in L&T Arun Excello's Estancia, it is 1,500 sq.ft. Lancor Holdings' Abode Valley's minimum space is 1,125 sq.ft.


"We are looking at buyers from Channai. Most people moving out of the city look for a bigger living space. Houses in the 800 sq.ft. range don't interest them," is how Chitty Babu, chairman and managing director, Akshaya Homes, explains it. Other features shared by these projects are their more-than-usual focus on investment buyers. In an effort to woo them, Hallmark Infrastructure offers to make a three-year rental arrangement for the flats sold to its customers. The buyer is paid Rs. 5.76 lakh, the money his flat would earn for the next three years. "There are three groups that are of interest. One, end users.


Two, NRIs with plans to wind up work abroad and settle down in India. Third, investment buyers," says P. Suresh, managing director, L&T Arun Excello Realty. "Chennai is an end user driven market. Our experience in Potheri is different. We find a well-proportioned mix of end user and investor buyers," says Mallika Ravi, CEO, Lancor Holdings.

[kvijayasundaram]

Originally Posted by MyNation

We need funds for living first. Debt is 89,000 cr. What are you saying ?
Why didnt stalin do it when he was the mayor of the city ? he is a poor administrator.

Every govt says the same about previous govt. DMK said the Coffers were empty when Jaya left office. The Debt keeps mounting with successive govts.
and every progressive state faces that.

Then jaya can talk abt water to chennai.

Talk what?

you seem to be the only person finding those flyovers very helpful. even experts have raised concerns about these flyovers and we have seen so many articles in hindu and express regarding this. answer my question about cenatoph flyover. it was conceived to be a 2-way flyover , but atlast they made it one-way during peak hours. This has only resulted in lesenning the raod width. whats ur answer for this ? So is the case with s.usman road flyover which is totally useless

.

Sorry for my french. But how the f**k did you come to that conclusion that the flyovers are useless. I am seeing thousands riding on all these flyovers everyday. I have seen1000s od people relieved to great extent after the opening of Perambur flyover, which was stalled by Jaya for years, due to her ego and arrogance. The traffic arrangements in Usman rd and cenotaph rd flyovers are decided by the traffic planners based on traffic patterns.
If you dont like Usman rd and cenotaph rd flyovers then dont use it, but there will be millions using it. The point however is Jaya is anti-development who did nothing to ease traffic.

CG has to support for water desalination plants. look at this article and u ll know if jaya wanted desalination plant or not .

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/200...adu_desal.html


The total area is 1500-1800 acres. each country will get around 300 acres. I appreciate the govt in bringing the investment to sriperumbudur.

They havent campainged to the IT companies to invest in chennai itself. How would they do it for other cities. ? This govt failed big time in IT investments



boss end result ??????? this govt has not done anything for IT. she did a marvellous job.

There was an attempt made. to draw investments, only time can tell about the end results. But such things were unheard of in Jaya
s time and she did nothing to market the state.
Yes your are correct! Jaya did a marvellous Job in driving away investments from state.

CG has to do this, not the state govt. If karuna's ministers are part of CG then they ll do everything possible to block the funding as they did for the proposed chennai monorail and desalination plants. With no help from the CG, jaya roped in so many IT companies and succesfully completed the veeranama project. But karuna gets time only to lobby for cabinet ministries for his family and doesnt spend time to lobby for a railway line to sriperumbudur. Is this called pro-development ????????

If DMK was blocking the funding why wansnt she going to court? On what grounds did DMK block the funding? can you elaborate?
It is baseless accusation. There is a adage in Tamil which goes, "The Incompetent dancer complained about the dance floor being not smooth".
your defence for Jaya is exactly the same.
Dont just vomit anything you read in Dinamalar or Vikatan
Jaya opened so many IT companies?? I never knew she was owning any private IT company!!

Stalin has no long term vision. Thats why he is constructing so many mini-flyovers and such a small fin city.

Mini Flyovers are for small junctions and based on traffic patterns and land availability. Bigger flyovers like Perambur and the ones proposed in Mint and Vyasarpadi are for
heavier traffic. Small financal city is still in planning stage, Nobody know how it will turnout.

MIND YOUR WORDS!!!!Dont use the "foot" word in a public forum . Dont use unparliamentary words. Dont comment on my mind. U have no rights. Have some decorum when u talk in a public forum.
Answer the questions on stalin's administration on mini flyovers and one long term vision that he had and implemented when he was the mayor.

Sorry for being rude. But what do you expect when somebody is talking like and amnesia patient forgetting how jaya wasted her time in felicitations and yagams,
elephant poojais and stuff, while commenting MK on wasting time in film functions and tamil meet.

Better relations with center will be there only when u have the numbers. remember how lalu was thrown out when he didnt have the numbers in 2009 ? if dmk has good relations why r u not answering my questions on rail line to sriperumbudur and sharing the cost for pondicherry - perungudi line? Did u find jaya giving away free tv sets and wasting the tax payer's money ?
DMK govt is making announcements like 10k crore for education ? only when the next govt comes to power we can know if they allocated money or not . To implement a mass rail transport system, u need the support of CG. Why is it that karuna is not ready to share the cost for perungudi-pondicherry rail line which willl benefit the IT corridor ? He is more interested in giving free tv sets and attending film functions. I am sure if jaya comes to power, she will be ready to share the cost as she is always interested in IT development.

CG has already sanctioned 40crs for Pondicherry perungudi line without TN support in this budget, So the need for TN govt sharing does not arise
Without TR balu sitting in Parliamentary Railway committee, I dont think this could have happend. This is what I am talking about when I said DMK can get benefits for the state
which Jaya can not or will not.

Jaya did precious little for IT corridor development in her three years after the IT corridor was planned in her govt. The road was unmotorable cess pool even on her last day on the CM seat.
If she was really earnest in developemnt she could have completed it before leaving. I Dont think it takes 3 years to complete a road project of 20 odd kms

and Oh Yes I have found Jaya wasting public money in distributing free bicycles, dhothies, sarees etc.

Tell me the projects which the center had asked her to share ? When the center didnt even support desalination plants because it was initiated by her, u mean that dmk ministers would allow the center to support her ?

Center asked Jaya to share the cost of BG conversion projects and she did not.

FOBs with lift are serving no purpose. Check the facts first. IT corridor stinks.
Only development i see in chennai in the past 4 yrs is volvos and other buses. but there is no long term planning. Already the treasury is emptied. Situation
ll be worse if they come back to power in 2011. CAG has sent a warning already. What is stalin doing ???

Check the what facts? People who want to use the FOBS are using them, thats the fact!!
IT corridor stink because it run through rural and semi rural areas where pottikadais still rule the roost. The govt cannot really do much on that aspect when people
using the road have no civic sense and let loose the cattle on road and litter on the road. Best the govt can do is move the people out of the corridor, but I think it is highly unlikely.

DMK coming back to power with better numbers will be better as they are done with freebies anyway and can concentrate on growth. Most of the
projects under implementation will continue without any hinderance. I cant even imagine jaya coming back and stalling projects. again. No way!!!

CAG warning states is not new, because that their job, to keep things in control and most states do.

Stalin is a poor administrator, though he may be pro-development. Has stalin in his previous tenure as mayor completed any project with a long-term vision ?

Stalin is a poor administrator? where are you pulling it from?

Stalin as a mayor has done a lot more than any other mayor has done to chennai,
City beautification and flyovers gained full momentum is his period. Privatization of garbage clearing is also to his credit. However, I thinnk
the current DMK mayor is even better

I can say jaya completed RWH and veeranam.
Has the DMK ever conducted an investors meet like what Guj and Karn CM's are doing? I can see karuna only in film functions and marriage functions. It is this govt which is taking TN to dark ages by wasting the money for TV sets and free gas scheme.

you have been mentioning about veeram in all you posts like a broken record and I keep saying that its a short sighted, scam job which is "Robbing Peter to Pay Paul".
Chennai's water needs are far more and veeranam can meet only a fraction of it if and when the lake gets water in summer and that too from an already water starved area.
When will you ever understand that.

Did DMK ever conduct investors meet? No, but there is a similar event conducted with CII every year where investors and govt officials get together
and disccuss the infra issues. DO a google search and you will find it.
Now answer me. Did Jaya ever have an Investors mee like KAR or GUJ?

U r evasive in answering abt FOBs, IT corridor, mini-flyovers and investors meet .
Veeranam was a big success because of jaya, It was a scam by karuna.
RWH was initiated by the govt and not by the people. It required an iron hand and jaya did it . AP tried to emulate the same but failed in it.

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RWH is a sucess because of the peoples support, All the govt had to do is to pass an order and sit on it. Its the people who took it seriously after feeling the need for water and impemented it for their own benefits.
Without peoples involvement it would have ended as a AP story as well.
RWH- is a people's movement Period.

I am evasive, WTF? whats the point in answering you when you dont even want to understand. How many times have I replied and you raise the same questions
I think you are trying to be evasive and pretending as if you dont understand my points.

[georgenadar]

Ranga...plz provide link and images

[MyNation]

Originally Posted by kvijayasundaram

Every govt says the same about previous govt. DMK said the Coffers were empty when Jaya left office. The Debt keeps mounting with successive govts.
and every progressive state faces that.

First of all, Mods please ban this guy for using derogatory and unparliamentary words again and again on other forumers like me.
DMK never said when they came to power in 2006 that the state had no money. that was the truth and thats y they started the process of giving free tv sets.

Originally Posted by kvijayasundaram

Talk what?

talk abt bringing water to chennai

.

Originally Posted by kvijayasundaram

Sorry for my french. But how the f**k did you come to that conclusion that the flyovers are useless. I am seeing thousands riding on all these flyovers everyday. I have seen1000s od people relieved to great extent after the opening of Perambur flyover, which was stalled by Jaya for years, due to her ego and arrogance. The traffic arrangements in Usman rd and cenotaph rd flyovers are decided by the traffic planners based on traffic patterns.
If you dont like Usman rd and cenotaph rd flyovers then dont use it, but there will be millions using it. The point however is Jaya is anti-development who did nothing to ease traffic.

permabur flyover was the only useful flyover planned by stalin when he was the mayor. all others were crap. They have been blasted even in the skyscraper forum. Experts have raised questions on the mini-flyovers. look at these links.. sheer waste of public money

http://www.hindu.com/2007/06/05/stor...0515030300.htm

http://beta.thehindu.com/news/cities...ticle38770.ece

Originally Posted by kvijayasundaram

There was an attempt made. to draw investments, only time can tell about the end results. But such things were unheard of in Jaya
s time and she did nothing to market the state.
Yes your are correct! Jaya did a marvellous Job in driving away investments from state.

How many times should i show u the link where Tatas and Infy had talks with jaya govt and clinched deals at siruseri and MWC? Despite those companies, we also saw DLF , Ascendas and so many IT companies coming up during her regime. You will never accept it . no use in arguing with a person like you who only knows to use unparliamentary and derogatory words.

Originally Posted by kvijayasundaram

If DMK was blocking the funding why wansnt she going to court? On what grounds did DMK block the funding? can you elaborate?
It is baseless accusation. There is a adage in Tamil which goes, "The Incompetent dancer complained about the dance floor being not smooth".
your defence for Jaya is exactly the same.
Dont just vomit anything you read in Dinamalar or Vikatan
Jaya opened so many IT companies?? I never knew she was owning any private IT company!!

Going to court ah ? dont make fun. i already showed u a link where it was alleged that the dmk ministers were blocking the funds for desalination plant. It was out in the media. "Roped in" it companies means , she was able to attract. Man!!!

Originally Posted by kvijayasundaram

Mini Flyovers are for small junctions and based on traffic patterns and land availability. Bigger flyovers like Perambur and the ones proposed in Mint and Vyasarpadi are for
heavier traffic. Small financal city is still in planning stage, Nobody know how it will turnout.

He is too short sighted and thats why such flyovers and financial city are planned.

Originally Posted by kvijayasundaram

Sorry for being rude. But what do you expect when somebody is talking like and amnesia patient forgetting how jaya wasted her time in felicitations and yagams,
elephant poojais and stuff, while commenting MK on wasting time in film functions and tamil meet.

shouldnt a person pray the lord ?

Originally Posted by kvijayasundaram

CG has already sanctioned 40crs for Pondicherry perungudi line without TN support in this budget, So the need for TN govt sharing does not arise
Without TR balu sitting in Parliamentary Railway committee, I dont think this could have happend. This is what I am talking about when I said DMK can get benefits for the state
which Jaya can not or will not.

u r happy with 40 crores ? OMG!!! U keep on supporting this govt on infrastructure which they dont take care, but instead take care of free tv sets and gas connections.
TR baalu is there and still u got just 40 crores. This is of no use . Instead they could have given 101 ruppees as token amt.

Originally Posted by kvijayasundaram

Jaya did precious little for IT corridor development in her three years after the IT corridor was planned in her govt. The road was unmotorable cess pool even on her last day on the CM seat.
If she was really earnest in developemnt she could have completed it before leaving. I Dont think it takes 3 years to complete a road project of 20 odd kms

and Oh Yes I have found Jaya wasting public money in distributing free bicycles, dhothies, sarees etc.

When the then govt didnt have funds , how couldt it be done expeditiously?Did stalin do it when he had funds ??????????????? service lanes laid ???
Free bicycles was for school students not like this govt wasting money on TVs.

Originally Posted by kvijayasundaram

Center asked Jaya to share the cost of BG conversion projects and she did not.

link to support ur statement ???

Originally Posted by kvijayasundaram

Check the what facts? People who want to use the FOBS are using them, thats the fact!!
IT corridor stink because it run through rural and semi rural areas where pottikadais still rule the roost. The govt cannot really do much on that aspect when people
using the road have no civic sense and let loose the cattle on road and litter on the road. Best the govt can do is move the people out of the corridor, but I think it is highly unlikely.

Banagalore is also constructing many FOBs, but they dont have lifts instead they have escalators. This is what is required. Stalin is short-sighted . Let them lay the service road and have FOBs with escalators in IT corridor. Then u cna think of people there.

Originally Posted by kvijayasundaram

DMK coming back to power with better numbers will be better as they are done with freebies anyway and can concentrate on growth. Most of the
projects under implementation will continue without any hinderance. I cant even imagine jaya coming back and stalling projects. again. No way!!!

Habba!! u accepted the fact that dmk didnt concentrate on growth !!! Enough .

Originally Posted by kvijayasundaram

CAG warning states is not new, because that their job, to keep things in control and most states do.

CAG didnt warn other states because they dont misuse the funds like free TV and free gas connection.

Originally Posted by kvijayasundaram

Stalin is a poor administrator? where are you pulling it from?

Stalin as a mayor has done a lot more than any other mayor has done to chennai,
City beautification and flyovers gained full momentum is his period. Privatization of garbage clearing is also to his credit. However, I thinnk
the current DMK mayor is even better

What other facts do u require when the planned flyovers serve no purpose. He is short-sighted. Did he try to bring wate to chennai by any means ?

Originally Posted by kvijayasundaram

you have been mentioning about veeram in all you posts like a broken record and I keep saying that its a short sighted, scam job which is "Robbing Peter to Pay Paul".
Chennai's water needs are far more and veeranam can meet only a fraction of it if and when the lake gets water in summer and that too from an already water starved area.
When will you ever understand that.

I dont see people running behind lorries in chennai after the veeranam water project was completed. This is what is called long-term planning. Not like a spate of mini-flyovers planned by stalin which are short-sighted.

Originally Posted by kvijayasundaram

Did DMK ever conduct investors meet? No, but there is a similar event conducted with CII every year where investors and govt officials get together
and disccuss the infra issues. DO a google search and you will find it.
Now answer me. Did Jaya ever have an Investors mee like KAR or GUJ?

CII meet is something the industry conducts and everytime they choose a location and so chennai got its turn. You dont have to teache me how to search.

Investors meet is something that is started by Modi only recently. So it is his brainchild. I am sure if jaya comes back to power, she ll host one at chennai unlike this govt where arcot veeraswamy
asked investors in CII meet not to invest in IT in TN. And the minister is not thrown out yet.

Originally Posted by kvijayasundaram

RWH is a sucess because of the peoples support, All the govt had to do is to pass an order and sit on it. Its the people who took it seriously after feeling the need for water and impemented it for their own benefits.
Without peoples involvement it would have ended as a AP story as well.
RWH- is a people's movement Period.

There is a law enacted for RWH in TN making it mandatory and only the iron lady had guts to enact such a law.

Originally Posted by kvijayasundaram

I am evasive, WTF? whats the point in answering you when you dont even want to understand. How many times have I replied and you raise the same questions
I think you are trying to be evasive and pretending as if you dont understand my points.

how many times to tell u not to use unparliamentary words.
This is a public forum. Mind it
Tell me one long term vision that stalin had proposed when he was the mayor

[ranga]

Originally Posted by MyNation

First of all, Mods please ban this guy for using derogatory and unparliamentary words again and again on other forumers like me.
DMK never said when they came to power in 2006 that the state had no money. that was the truth and thats y they started the process of giving free tv sets.






talk abt bringing water to chennai

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permabur flyover was the only useful flyover planned by stalin when he was the mayor. all others were crap. They have been blasted even in the skyscraper forum. Experts have raised questions on the mini-flyovers. look at these links.. sheer waste of public money

http://www.hindu.com/2007/06/05/stor...0515030300.htm

http://beta.thehindu.com/news/cities...ticle38770.ece




How many times should i show u the link where Tatas and Infy had talks with jaya govt and clinched deals at siruseri and MWC? Despite those companies, we also saw DLF , Ascendas and so many IT companies coming up during her regime. You will never accept it . no use in arguing with a person like you who only knows to use unparliamentary and derogatory words.



Going to court ah ? dont make fun. i already showed u a link where it was alleged that the dmk ministers were blocking the funds for desalination plant. It was out in the media. "Roped in" it companies means , she was able to attract. Man!!!



He is too short sighted and thats why such flyovers and financial city are planned.


shouldnt a person pray the lord ?




u r happy with 40 crores ? OMG!!! U keep on supporting this govt on infrastructure which they dont take care, but instead take care of free tv sets and gas connections.
TR baalu is there and still u got just 40 crores. This is of no use . Instead they could have given 101 ruppees as token amt.



When the then govt didnt have funds , how couldt it be done expeditiously?Did stalin do it when he had funds ??????????????? service lanes laid ???
Free bicycles was for school students not like this govt wasting money on TVs.




link to support ur statement ???



Banagalore is also constructing many FOBs, but they dont have lifts instead they have escalators. This is what is required. Stalin is short-sighted . Let them lay the service road and have FOBs with escalators in IT corridor. Then u cna think of people there.


Habba!! u accepted the fact that dmk didnt concentrate on growth !!! Enough .


CAG didnt warn other states because they dont misuse the funds like free TV and free gas connection.




What other facts do u require when the planned flyovers serve no purpose. He is short-sighted. Did he try to bring wate to chennai by any means ?



I dont see people running behind lorries in chennai after the veeranam water project was completed. This is what is called long-term planning. Not like a spate of mini-flyovers planned by stalin which are short-sighted.



CII meet is something the industry conducts and everytime they choose a location and so chennai got its turn. You dont have to teache me how to search.

Investors meet is something that is started by Modi only recently. So it is his brainchild. I am sure if jaya comes back to power, she ll host one at chennai unlike this govt where arcot veeraswamy
asked investors in CII meet not to invest in IT in TN. And the minister is not thrown out yet.


There is a law enacted for RWH in TN making it mandatory and only the iron lady had guts to enact such a law.



how many times to tell u not to use unparliamentary words.
This is a public forum. Mind it
Tell me one long term vision that stalin had proposed when he was the mayor

If jaya comes to power it will be beneficial to the neighbouring states of A.P & Karnataka as investments flowing in to TN now will be diverted to other states on account of unapproachability of the c.M as she will be busyafter the previous regime acts of omisiions and comissions.Once in while she will be giving darshan to her cadres and admirers from her poes garden balcony.She is called BALCONY PAPA.

[georgenadar]

I hope Stalin should be next CM... because he is really concerned about developing and cleaning of the Chennai city in various aspects...what you guys think...???

[ranga]

Originally Posted by georgenadar

Ranga...plz provide link and images

See "THE HINDU" property plus of 29/5/10

[RajBang]

SOURCE: THE ECONOMIC TIMES

NEW DELHI: After the Central Vigilance Commission (CVC), the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI), the Comptroller and Auditor General of India, the Parliamentary Public Accounts Committee (PAC) may now probe telecom minister A Raja’s move to allot licences to new entrants in 2008 at rates fixed in 2001.

Mr Raja did not heed calls from several quarters, including the finance ministry, to auction these licences, which came bundled with start-up 2G airwaves. Opposition parties have repeatedly pointed out that Mr Raja’s move to give licences at rates fixed in 2001 has caused loss amounting to Rs 60,000 crore to the exchequer.

“2G (spectrum) is on our agenda and we are going to send notice to telecom ministry. It will take some time,” senior BJP leader and chairman of the Public Account Committee Murli Mahohar Joshi, told reporters in Delhi on Friday.

The PAC will look into the issue after the submission of the CAG report on the 2G spectrum allocation to new entrants. The CAG report is expected in the Monsoon session. A final decision on whether PAC should look into 2G-spectrum allocation controversy will be taken up on its June 29 meeting. The possibility of a PAC probe comes even as telecom regulator Trai’s recent suggestion that 2G airwaves are worth up to 1.5 times 3G airwaves has put Mr Raja’s actions under the scanner again.

Trai’s recommendations has for the first time offered a yardstick for Mr Raja’s critics to compute the loss to the exchequer on account of the government giving away telecom licences in 2008 at a price fixed in 2001. ET’s calculations reveal that if the Trai formula were to be applied, Mr Raja’s move to award new licences in 2008 cost the country well over Rs 70,000 crore.

The cut-off date for awarding the 2G licences was controversially advanced, which resulted in several companies losing their eligibility for the licence. This benefited about eight companies, which got licences in January 2008. Many of these companies then sold stake to foreign companies for huge valuations.

[vijay_t]

Originally Posted by georgenadar

I hope Stalin should be next CM... because he is really concerned about developing and cleaning of the Chennai city in various aspects...what you guys think...???

Yes....DMK is the only choice left for TN.... Jaya should be blacklisted....I saw here some guys supporting JAYA.....it's really shocking for me to see even some educated people can't understand how rubbish she is......of course DMK also doing some corruption..... but they are far far better than Jaya...

My father is a govt official..i saw clearly what happened in both DMK and ADMK period.......when DMK said they are spending 100 c to build a road they will steal 15c from that....but in Jaya period the govt officials even won't see what road it is, but they just write in paper and steal all 100 c and must send to Jaya...this one is not a story ...i saw these things myself many times....... thats why you can't see even any simple development in jaya govt... but in DMK u can see a lot but not first class....who is better then ?

more over in India no party can run with out corruption... they have to pay millions of their supporters to run the party..... So if a political party do some tolerable corruption and concentrate on creating jobs and development then they are good........

Please don't ever think about Jaya, ramados, vaiko, communist ....just ban them.......at now u can choose either stalin or vijayakant ...

[karthikarthik]

Let's finish this discussion on Jaya Vs Stalin. Lets move on to some other discussion. This thread is becoming like a propaganda for parties.

[Zailsingh]

Excatly. This is like debating who is a better Bandit. It all depends on one's point of view and prejudices.

[vs007]

Originally Posted by vijay_t

My father is a govt official..i saw clearly what happened in both DMK and ADMK period.......when DMK said they are spending 100 c to build a road they will steal 15c from that....but in Jaya period the govt officials even won't see what road it is, but they just write in paper and steal all 100 c and must send to Jaya...this one is not a story

Originally Posted by Zailsingh

This is like debating who is a better Bandit. It all depends on one's point of view and prejudices.

Yup, both are bandits and as I said before both DMK, AIADMK, and in fact all *MK* like PMK have been detrimental for TN.

Having said that these are the two practical choices:
1. DMK with Stalin as CM with the threat of Azhagiri
2. Jaya

Jaya in the past has shown obsession on only thing: Getting the old man by hook and crook. In the last 5 years some how the old man is proving to be wiser to be going after his legacy(new assembly, library, marina) and some boo boos like sacking maran. Jaya on the other hand is known for her mercurial temperament, ego and making men prostrate in front of her. All said and done, Stalin has shown interest in Chennai’s development and TN to some extent and follows up on projects. This guy looks promising, its time for new leadership.

Hope people of TN vote for progress and not on emotional basis like they did in 2000 and set the clock back.

[ranga]

Originally Posted by RajBang

SOURCE: THE ECONOMIC TIMES

NEW DELHI: After the Central Vigilance Commission (CVC), the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI), the Comptroller and Auditor General of India, the Parliamentary Public Accounts Committee (PAC) may now probe telecom minister A Raja’s move to allot licences to new entrants in 2008 at rates fixed in 2001.

Mr Raja did not heed calls from several quarters, including the finance ministry, to auction these licences, which came bundled with start-up 2G airwaves. Opposition parties have repeatedly pointed out that Mr Raja’s move to give licences at rates fixed in 2001 has caused loss amounting to Rs 60,000 crore to the exchequer.

“2G (spectrum) is on our agenda and we are going to send notice to telecom ministry. It will take some time,” senior BJP leader and chairman of the Public Account Committee Murli Mahohar Joshi, told reporters in Delhi on Friday.

The PAC will look into the issue after the submission of the CAG report on the 2G spectrum allocation to new entrants. The CAG report is expected in the Monsoon session. A final decision on whether PAC should look into 2G-spectrum allocation controversy will be taken up on its June 29 meeting. The possibility of a PAC probe comes even as telecom regulator Trai’s recent suggestion that 2G airwaves are worth up to 1.5 times 3G airwaves has put Mr Raja’s actions under the scanner again.

Trai’s recommendations has for the first time offered a yardstick for Mr Raja’s critics to compute the loss to the exchequer on account of the government giving away telecom licences in 2008 at a price fixed in 2001. ET’s calculations reveal that if the Trai formula were to be applied, Mr Raja’s move to award new licences in 2008 cost the country well over Rs 70,000 crore.

The cut-off date for awarding the 2G licences was controversially advanced, which resulted in several companies losing their eligibility for the licence. This benefited about eight companies, which got licences in January 2008. Many of these companies then sold stake to foreign companies for huge valuations.

With this sort of huge consideration how much kick back the DMK leaders would have been benifitted by the eight companies to whom the 2 G spectrum waves were sold at throw away fixed price prevailing in 2001 in the year 2008?.Is Raja the sole beneficiary or it includes the entire Karuna clan.It is possible the entire UPA coalition would have shared the booty with the largest slice going to DMK followed by congress.When people taking small bribes are loosing jobs and landing in jails as it is happenning in A.P the politicians and top officials in A.P indulging in huge corruption particularly in the mining and irrigation projects are leading happy and honourable life.What is the situation inthis aspect in TAMIL NADU?

[Zailsingh]

Here is another one of the article about corruption in India. The outside world has also been watching this.

No wonder Aesop said. “We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to high office.”

In a popular prime-time television discussion in Germany, the panellist, a member of the German Parliament quoting a blog said: “If all the scams of the last five years are added up, they are likely to rival and exceed the British colonial loot of India of about a trillion dollars.”

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/...3150300900.htm

[shekar]

Originally Posted by ranga

With this sort of huge consideration how much kick back the DMK leaders would have been benifitted by the eight companies to whom the 2 G spectrum waves were sold at throw away fixed price prevailing in 2001 in the year 2008?.Is Raja the sole beneficiary or it includes the entire Karuna clan.It is possible the entire UPA coalition would have shared the booty with the largest slice going to DMK followed by congress.When people taking small bribes are loosing jobs and landing in jails as it is happenning in A.P the politicians and top officials in A.P indulging in huge corruption particularly in the mining and irrigation projects are leading happy and honourable life.What is the situation inthis aspect in TAMIL NADU?

s.Gurumurthy
Express News ServiceFirst Published : 26 May 2010 11:04:00 PM ISTLast Updated : 26 May 2010 12:32:05 AM IST
Raja had informed me that he was only implementing the policies that were in place and approved by the TRAI’. This is how the Prime Minister Manmohan Singh defended A Raja, his telecom minister, the prime suspect in the CBI probe into the 2G cell phone licence case. If this were the prime minister’s defence of Raja on May 24, see how offensive was Raja was to the prime minister on October 28, 2009, when the CBI had raided the Department of Telecommunications that was in his ministry leading to demands for his resignation. Asking ‘why should I resign”, Raja said, ‘besides following my predecessors and the solicitor general’s advice, I did it in consultation with the prime minister’. Far from not denying it then or later, on May 24, the prime minister virtually confirms what Raja had said then. Is there any difference between Raja saying he ‘consulted the prime minister’ and the prime minister saying he had ‘discussed the issue with Raja’? So long as Raja had discussed the matter with the prime minister prior to the act it is — and cannot be anything less than — consultation. Raja is right. But is the prime minister right?
The issue in question is whether the price that the government asked and got for the spectrum for 2G cell phone licences issued in the year 2007 is of correct value. Much of the discourse on 2G spectrum fraud is taking place without most of the public knowing what is ‘spectrum’ and what is ‘2G’. So a break here to know what is Spectrum and what is 2G? Take 2G first. 2G is the short form for ‘Second Generation’. All cell phones, now used by vegetable vendors to company executives, are based on 2G technology. There was no 1G (First Generation) technology as such earlier. When the new technology — the cell phone technology that we use now — came in and superseded the existing one, the new one became known as 2G, and so the existing one, as 1G. What is the difference between the two? A simple analogy is: 1G cell phone is similar to Paramount Airways, flying locally and with small capacity planes. The 1G cell phone cannot carry massive calls, nor have roaming to connect to far off places. 2G cell phone is like Air India operating jumbo jets. It can carry a large traffic of calls and directly connect to anywhere in the world. But like all aircraft fly in the air, in both 1G and 2G, all cell phone calls travel through airwaves, that is spectrum. Spectrum is like airwave highway. Even though this highway exists in space, it is attached to the earth. And like the land, which is in short supply, spectrum is also in short supply. So the issue is about its pricing.
2G cell phone technology entered India in 1995, beginning with the metros. Every cell phone licensee, other than those for metros, had paid huge fees by bids to enter the business. In 2001, having missed the bus first, the Reliance group made a backdoor burst into the cell phone business feigning as if it was using cordless phones in the streets, not cell phones! It did so without paying any fee. The NDA government was caught without a rule to stop this anarchy and was forced to negotiate with all to make a fixed licence fee policy, with a revenue sharing model. Then, the total cell phone user population in India was some 36 million. In three years the number topped 75 million. Today, it is over 594 million, with March 2010 alone adding over 20 million.
Now, to the issue of eleven 2G-cell phone licences in 2007. The first point to note is that in 2007, the Indian cell phone business was the fastest growing in the world. It was drawing huge investments into the country. It was at that time that Raja was proposing to issue 11 new licences, including spectrum, for a measly sum of Rs 1,650 crore per licence. This was on the basis of the spectrum value in 2001 when the cell phone user population was about a sixth of the size in 2007. The Telecom Regulatory Authority of India headed by an honest civil servant, Nripendra Misra, had openly come out and said that spectrum value in 2007 would not be less than Rs 6,000-8,000 crore, that is at least four to five times the value at which Raja had proposed to sell. Yet, the minister said the new licences (at 1/5 its value) would be given on ‘first-come-first-served basis’ and the cut off date would be October 1, 2007. Suddenly he turned around and said that the cut off date would end six days earlier, on September 25. The crowd that had gathered at the minister’s office on that day with each one jogging to be the first to get the licences was like the crowd of poor women that normally gathers in our middle level towns to collect the limited number of saris distributed free of cost. But, unlike the free sari crowd, the cell phone licence seeking crowd that included the richest in India, and like the former it went physical, many gate crashed, some in full suits got crushed between gates closing at 5 pm on September 25 with one foot in and one out. The only consolation was that there was no death in the stampede as happens in the free sari events. All this happened to the view of the world. The prime minister, Raja says, was consulted on this model!
Every streetlight in Delhi knew that the difference of Rs 5,000-6,000 crore per licence or Rs 60,000-70,000 crore was shared among different players. Raja did not dole out each licence valued at Rs 8,000 crore for Rs 1,650 crore secretly. He did it in the view of all, including the prime minister. Yes, it was daylight corruption. But Raja was too small to do it all for himself or all by himself. Nevertheless when the CBI was set upon Raja, as it often happens in politics, he was left to defend himself. So he went on the offensive and brought in the prime minister. And see how the prime minister without whose knowledge the CBI could not have got into the act is now defending Raja with tail between his legs. And he flips in 2007, flops in 2009 and flips in 2010 — that is, he okays Raja first, puts the CBI on to Raja next and backs Raja later! He now says what Raja said in 2007, namely that he had acted on TRAI advice. But the TRAI chairman had openly said then that the value of each 2G licence was Rs 6,000-8,000 crore. The prime minister further says that it would have been unfair to ask the new entrants to pay that much more. Does the prime minister know that spectrum to three old players too was doled out at the same discounted rate as the new entrants? Why does the prime minister, who put the CBI after Raja, now back Raja blindly? This prime minister is not, and will never be, a suspect here. And Raja is too small to be the sole beneficiary.
QED: There must be a principal beneficiary more powerful whom the prime minister is duty bound to defend. He must know who that is.

http://expressbuzz.com/biography/Who...PM/176343.html

[shekar]

http://expressbuzz.com/cities/chenna...or/177643.html

CHENNAI: Mayor M Subramanian said that the Chennai Corporation had destroyed more than 35 lakh water sachets to prevent plastic from adding to the burden of landfills. The Mayor stated this while delivering a speech on first Work Congress on Cities and Adaptation to Climate Change at Bonn in Germany on Saturday, a press release here said.
Earlier, in its drive to abolish the use of plastic, the Corporation had banned the use of plastics on the Marina beach, which attracted on an average one lakh visitors daily, he added.
Stating that the Corporation had launched the segregation of plastic and recyclable waste of households, he said that the residents were being paid Rs. 5 per kg with regard to recyclable waste. According to him, lakhs of households were being provided with bins and bags in different colours, in an attempt to encourage source segregation of garbage among residents. “Conservancy staff of the civic body collect the segregated recyclable and non-recyclable waste on a regular basis,” he pointed out.
Speaking on the green initiatives being implemented by the Corporation, he said that the urban body had launched a novel scheme under which saplings would be planted for every child born in the city. Subramanian said, “In a year, one lakh saplings will be planted and the tree guards will bear the names of the child and the parent. The responsibility of nurturing the trees will be entrusted with the parents and a certificate that the plant has been named after their child will also be given.”
The Corporation would be laying bicycle tracks in residential areas, he said. He also mentioned that upcoming government buildings would have provisions for solar powered equipment

[shekar]

SEA OF HUMANITY: A huge crowd throng the Marina on Sunday, the last day of Katri, which is the hottest period of summer. It was also the last Sunday before school reopening.
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