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Old November 17th, 2010, 09:51 PM   #561
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Lincoln Park NIMBYs

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^ Spyguy, any idea how the NIMBY's have received this revised proposal?
You know NIMBYs!!!

In the interest of full disclosure, I am part of the development team responsible for the Webster Square redevelopment of Lincoln Park Hospital.

The aforementioned neighbors been extremely loud and organized. True to fashion, there has been a great deal of mis-information being spread about the plans for the site. We have tried hard to get our story heard and to present the factual information in various ways. That said, we have gotten a tremendous positive response from people when they are presented with the real facts of the project.

It just makes sense from an planning perspective. Am I wrong?

Please post any questions, comments or critical feedback on our proposal. Thanks!

For project info go to: http://webstersq.com

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Old November 17th, 2010, 11:22 PM   #562
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You know NIMBYs!!!

In the interest of full disclosure, I am part of the development team responsible for the Webster Square redevelopment of Lincoln Park Hospital.

The aforementioned neighbors been extremely loud and organized. True to fashion, there has been a great deal of mis-information being spread about the plans for the site. We have tried hard to get our story heard and to present the factual information in various ways. That said, we have gotten a tremendous positive response from people when they are presented with the real facts of the project.

It just makes sense from an planning perspective. Am I wrong?

Please post any questions, comments or critical feedback on our proposal. Thanks!

For project info go to: http://webstersq.com
^ Builder, thanks for posting here and welcome to the forums.

You will find that most of the people here are very supportive of what you are doing. Most of us are also very happy that you are preserving some aspects of the old hospital as well as the density of the site, instead of caving to the NIMBY"s and tearing it down for more ho-hum 4 story townhomes.

I have a question: when will the project come to vote for a zoning change,
and when do you anticipate construction will begin?
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Old November 18th, 2010, 05:52 PM   #563
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I feel, for ya, Builder.

Stupid NIMBY's..


Residents opposed to plans for Lincoln Park Hospital speak out at developer-sponsored meeting
11/17/2010 10:00 PM

By IAN FULLERTON
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In new renderings for the reuse of the Lincoln Park Hospital campus include 162 residential units and nearly 100,000 square feet of office and retail space across 3-acres.
Neighbors who oppose designs for a mixed-use redevelopment of the shuttered Lincoln Park Hospital are bearing down hard on the latest iteration of the plan.

Owners Michael Supera and Richard Zisook recently unveiled their revised proposal to build 162 residential units and nearly 100,000 square feet of office and retail space across the 3-acre medical campus.

The project, dubbed “Webster Square,” would reuse the hospital’s 12-story main building, located at 550 W. Webster, and develop a 12,000 square foot “boutique” grocery store at the site of an existing parking garage across the street. Designs also include six floors of medical office space, a fitness center for residents and a green roof on the parking structure.

Though garnering some local support, the plan has again received substantial disapproval from a band of neighbors who hold that the development will upset the character of the neighborhood by increasing traffic flow and pressing retail space into this historically residential pocket of Lincoln Park.

Lincoln Park resident Gary Raju said that the scaled-back plans did little to lessen his distaste for the project. Raju was one of about eighty community stakeholders who came to hash out the reworked plans at a presentation given by the development team last Wednesday.

“Both proposals are not consistent with the character of community,” said Raju, who lives just north of the main hospital building. “They’re just moving the same puzzle pieces around.”

The meeting, held in the basement of the Francis W. Parker School, was led by Marilyn Katz, a consultant hired by the developers to shop out the plan to residents.

Supera and Zisook seek a zoning change for the property, which now can only operate as a medical facility. The hospital closed in 2008.

Initial designs for the project, introduced in early 2010, imagined over 200 condo and townhouse-style residences and 30,000 square feet of retail built on the property. The proposal also hinted at leasing the retail space for a Walgreens and included senior housing in the residential piece.

This vision was met by scorn from many residents, as told by signs that read “No High-Rise, No Retail” in the windows of homes bordering the site.

Ald. Vi Daley (43rd) told residents at a town hall meeting in January that she would block the project’s advancement pending full buy-in from the neighborhood, which would likely require the deletion of retail from the plan and a markdown in residential unit density.

But if current sentiments prevail, that endorsement, regardless of the latest revision, could still be a long way off.

The continued presence of retail space in the plan remained a deal-breaker for residents who were concerned that a grocery store would increase traffic in the area and bring added risks to pedestrian safety. The project might encourage other developers to solicit similar retail components into the area, Raju said.

“Then it stops becoming a traditional working community, and it loses its charm,” he said. :rolleyes:

During the nearly two-hour presentation, neighbors launched a volley of questions at Katz, regarding—among other things—parking arrangements, use of green space, and protocol for loading delivery trucks coming in and out of the site. Some voiced fears that the proposed grocery store would encroach on Carnival Foods, a local grocer located a block southeast of the site, while others construed that the expected visitor traffic to the development was being wrongly weighed against previous traffic levels at the hospital, which rarely came close to meeting its 450-bed capacity in the years before it closed.

Central to the message of the audience, who at times shouted over each other to speak their disdain for the plans, was the feeling that the developers had not come back with a plan different from the one they had rejected nearly a year ago.

This, coupled with fears that Daley would try to move the proposal through city approval before she leaves office in May, left neighbors ruffled.

“There’s a concern that the tide may be shifting,” stated former Ald. Marty Oberman, who had previously come out in opposition to the development. “We’re not sure when the decision is going to be made.”

About six people in the audience raised their hands when asked to identify themselves as supporters of the Webster Square plan.

After the meeting, Katz said that the developers knew they couldn’t please everyone.

“There are certain people who will not be moved, and they’ve tried to delay the process as much as they can,” she said.

The new plan, she said, contained a number of changes sensitive to the residents’ concerns. This included the removal of all retail north of Webster, no use of public alleys and no increase in building height, said Katz. “There was a lot of responsiveness,” she said.

Katz also stated that the reactions expressed at presentation, which was intended to be a private meeting, she said, were not representative of the entire neighborhood. She said that the developers had received over 150 letters of support for the new plans from residents in recent weeks.

Daley’s chief of staff Chuck Eastwood said that—despite the show of resistance at the Parker meeting—resident views on the development, as he saw it, were still “very divided,” noting the alderman’s office had also received e-mails and letters written in support of the project. Eastwood said that important thing was not to rush the process, but to identify how to move forward.

“Whether it’s this project, or a reiteration of it, or whether it’s something completely different,” he said. “You can’t just let it sit there.”

Eastwood said that a community meeting on the proposal will be held at the end of November.

Zisook and Supera won the deed to the hospital property after settling a $31 million foreclosure suit with previous owner Mark Hunt in October 2009.

The partners have completed a number of residential condo developments on the North Side over the last few decades, including, most recently, projects at 600 and 530 N. Lake Shore Drive and the Whitney at 1301 N. Dearborn.
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Old November 18th, 2010, 10:52 PM   #564
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^ Builder, thanks for posting here and welcome to the forums.
Thanks! Happy to be here. I never knew about this forum until last week when some posts made it to my google alert. If only...

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^ You will find that most of the people here are very supportive of what you are doing.
We could use all the support we can get. This is proving to be an unusually political process. Our local NIMBY's have been extremely vocal and organized, though our information says they are a minority. In general, people are more apt to complain about an issue, versus stand up and be counted in support.

People need to express support to Alderman Vi Daley in order to show her that this proposal is the right thing for the neighborhood. It is a challenge.

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^ Most of us are also very happy that you are preserving some aspects of the old hospital as well as the density of the site, instead of caving to the NIMBY"s and tearing it down for more ho-hum 4 story townhomes.
This is what we do. We have done several adaptive re-use projects in recent years. We live and work in the shadow of this site and intend to develop responsibly as usual. We think our track record speaks for itself.

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^ I have a question: when will the project come to vote for a zoning change,
and when do you anticipate construction will begin?
Alderman Vi Daley has scheduled an community meeting (open to the public...) for Tuesday, November 30th at 7:00 PM in the Lincoln Park High School auditorium where we will present the most recent version of our proposal. After that, we need the Alderman to support us and get on the agenda of the Plan Commission, hopefully in December. Best case scenario, the zoning ordinance would be voted on in City Council in January. If that happens, we will be ready to file for building permits immediately. [/QUOTE]

Thanks for the interest. PLEASE support us and get the word out to like minded folks.

For more info visit: www.webstersq.com
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Old November 27th, 2010, 11:23 PM   #565
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Trader Joe's on Diversey

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Old December 9th, 2010, 08:01 PM   #566
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Walmart will open its first neighborhood grocery store in Chicago in the former PetSmart space at 2840 N Broadway. Crain's story.

NB: This is not a big-box dry-goods Walmart. This is probably an ordinary middle-market grocery store that uses the grocery distribution chain Walmart built originally for its Supercenters that sell food, but Walmart is also experimenting in the Phoenix market with smaller "Marketside" stores that do a lot of fresh/local and organic/prepared meals for an upscale market. Walmart Neighborhood Markets are now the dominant grocery chain in a number of Sunbelt markets. Choosing an extremely urban site in the middle of such a liberal area, though, is like a poke in the eye of union activists. I have to wonder if Walmart is deliberately spoiling for a fight.
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Old December 9th, 2010, 10:34 PM   #567
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This is not a good news, Walmart will ruin the area, kill the other small businesses and decrease the walkability, but at least it's a small-box store, I hope they change their type from a huge car-dependent stores to a small sustainable stores .
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Old December 10th, 2010, 12:00 AM   #568
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How does a new small grocery store in an existing building "ruin the area" or "decrease the walkability?"
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Old December 10th, 2010, 12:35 AM   #569
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How does a new small grocery store in an existing building "ruin the area" or "decrease the walkability?"
WALMART BAD! WALMART RUIN EVERYTHING!

On a more serious note, if Walmart can manage to make a store in that area with store frontage and in a dense wealthy area and be profitable; it would certainly be interesting for thier future business. They are starting out small, but if they can make a design for a bigger one like the design they had in Washington DC, I'd welcome it.
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Old December 10th, 2010, 07:26 PM   #570
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http://www.chicagorealestatedaily.co...#axzz17dKVf3z1

City backs developers on Lincoln Park Hospital plan
By: Andrew Schroedter December 09, 2010


The Daley administration is supporting a controversial proposal to redevelop the shuttered Lincoln Park Hospital, breaking a longstanding policy of giving alderman control over zoning matters in their wards.
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Children's Memorial explores TIF for Lincoln Park site
By: Alby Gallun December 09, 2010


Children’s Memorial Hospital is exploring whether the city could create a tax-increment financing district that would include its Lincoln Park campus, a move that would spur redevelopment of the property when the hospital moves to a downtown location in 2012.
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Old December 14th, 2010, 07:27 PM   #571
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Enter DePaul??

It is still unclear why DePaul has not entered the picture on the Children’s Memorial site; especially when they are proposing a housing/retail/classroom complex on the corner of Fullerton and Sheffield and have a huge unmet demand for student housing. It seems that DePaul’s needs and community desires are fairly lock step. Moreover, need for profit is not a determining factor, while existing (historic) buildings could more easily fit dorm space than condos. As it stands now, any private development could result in demolition of the historic parts.

What is keeping this marriage from happening? I assume funds available are a large factor. However DePaul has partnered with private development firms before to get projects done. For example; I believe their West Residential Village (Clifton Fullerton Dorm) was financed/built by Trammel Crowe, while the Fullerton Residence is by the Scion Group.
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Old December 16th, 2010, 09:43 PM   #572
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YoChicago has a post up (with video) mentioning that Belgravia is submitting a proposal for redeveloping Children's Memorial (today is the deadline). No specifics are given but in the video the representative from Belgravia kept stressing density and open space. He also mentions that there may be a sizable amount of retail in the project and they're looking to possibly preserve the buildings on Orchard. They've created a new website to gather input from the community.
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Old December 16th, 2010, 10:13 PM   #573
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They better save the historic buildings on Orchard. It'll break my heart to see those torn down.
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YoChicago has a post up (with video) mentioning that Belgravia is submitting a proposal for redeveloping Children's Memorial (today is the deadline). No specifics are given but in the video the representative from Belgravia kept stressing density and open space. He also mentions that there may be a sizable amount of retail in the project and they're looking to possibly preserve the buildings on Orchard. They've created a new website to gather input from the community.
Watch the NIMBY's trample all over this.

Seriously, with all the NIMBYism up there I wonder why developers even bother buying large sites in that neighborhood.
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Old December 22nd, 2010, 06:48 PM   #575
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Children's Memorial site attracts blue-chip bidders
By: Alby Gallun December 22, 2010


Nine development groups, including Chicago-based firms John Buck Co., Golub & Co., and McCaffery Interests Inc., are vying to redevelop the Children's Memorial Hospital site in Lincoln Park, a project that could bring hundreds of new homes and a slew of stores to the well-heeled North Side neighborhood.
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  1. John Buck Co.
  2. Golub & Co.
  3. McCaffery Interests Inc.
  4. Related Midwest
  5. Fifield Cos. + CRM Properties Group LTD
  6. Magellan Development Group LLC + Hines Interest
  7. Belgravia Group
  8. Toll Brothers
  9. Klutznick Enterprises LLC + Mesa Development LLC

Obviously a lot of interest from many big name developers. I'm kind of interested in seeing the Hines proposal; they usually bring in good architects. They're currently doing a similar type of project in Washington called CityCenter DC, designed by Foster.
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Retail update

A Mitchell Gold + Bob Williams showroom is going to open across from Apple in the building that houses Borders, etc.

The first Vapiano restaurant in Chicago will open at Clark and Wrightwood.
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Old January 25th, 2011, 11:06 PM   #577
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Halsted Street

All, some great information.

With the DePaul redevelopment planned for Halsted west (the new music hall) and CMH planned for Halsted east - does anyone know:
  1. What is slated for the Rainbow House property on Halsted & Belden?
  2. Do plans call for the CMH garage to be demolished?
  3. How will developers manage the two projects on either side of Halsted and what is planned for the 2300 block? there are 10 small properties.
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Trader Joe's on Diversey

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I getting concerned. Shouldn't this store be open by now? And The Tade Joe's website mentions the South Loop store is coming soon, but no mention of this store. I heard news about this store way before the South Loop store.

I was really looking forward to this. Anyone heard anything?
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Old February 17th, 2011, 01:31 AM   #579
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^No need to worry, it was mentioned somewhat recently that the store would open in April.
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^ Thank you. Glad to hear.
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