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Old September 7th, 2006, 03:20 PM   #201
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the one England played in last night in Skopje Macedonia looked pretty big! but maybe that was just in contrast to the three smaller stands
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Old September 7th, 2006, 04:23 PM   #202
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I think it has about 50 rows of seating. Not bad, but not huge either. It is the steepness of the stand that makes it look so big:



The other three stands only have about 10 rows of seating.
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Old October 7th, 2006, 06:15 PM   #203
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Seamless tiers

Can anyone think of any stadia which have different number of tiers at different sides which flow seamlessly into one another.
eg
3 tiers into 2
2 tiers into 1.

An example of how not to do this is at Stamford Bridge, where



Are there any stadia which take stands of different heights and flawlessly integrate them?
I'm talking with particular reference to tiers of different hights and/or gradients.

Any help would be much appreciated
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Old October 7th, 2006, 09:19 PM   #204
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the Nou Camp?

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Old October 8th, 2006, 02:16 AM   #205
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How about Estadio Olympico de la Cartuja in Seville?



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Old October 10th, 2006, 01:57 AM   #206
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three years back i sat in the 95th row of michigan stadium and there were still a couple rows behind where i was was.
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Old October 14th, 2006, 01:22 AM   #207
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Old October 14th, 2006, 05:17 AM   #208
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Some might consider it cheating, and I suppose it is, but;

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Murrayfield isn't a bad example of a well done change in pitch / height of tiers.

Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh, Scotland




And stadia like the K.C. Stadium in Hull also do a pretty good job of having an extra tier on one side that blends in well. It could be done to be unnoticable, but not so in Hull's case, as they've chosen to keep about 8 rows at the ends of the second tier.

K.C. Stadium, Hull, England.





Other stadia do a very similiar thing, and at times better, and at times, not so well;

Hampden Park, Glasgow, Scotland



City of Manchester Stadium, Manchester, England



Telstra Stadium, Sydney, Australia



Reekbok Stadium, Bolton, England



While none are really perfect, they all show the general idea.
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Old October 14th, 2006, 01:09 PM   #209
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Murrayfield isn't a bad example of a well done change in pitch / height of tiers.


Are you mad? Murrayfield has about the most awkward-looking joins between old and new stands that I've ever seen!
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Old October 14th, 2006, 04:57 PM   #210
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No Old Trafford is worse!
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Old October 16th, 2006, 12:04 AM   #211
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Are you mad? Murrayfield has about the most awkward-looking joins between old and new stands that I've ever seen!
I disagree. Thats actually the best example of what I was talking about. The two stands are joined as seamlessly as possible I think. Many other examples have got an extra tier here and there, but Murrayfield has 2 stands with 2 tiers of differing heights, but manages to join them. Doesnt look great, but it is as seamless as could be imo.

Cheers for that Neil F, I hadn't thought of Murrayfield.
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Old October 16th, 2006, 08:10 AM   #212
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Are you mad? Murrayfield has about the most awkward-looking joins between old and new stands that I've ever seen!
I think you're the mad one. Compare the joins at Murrayfield with the joins in other stadia where two stands of different sizes join;

Riverside Stadium, Middlesborough, England;



Westfalenstadion, Dortmund, Germany;



Millenium Stadium, Cardiff, Wales;



Old Trafford, Manchester, England;



The Valley, Charlton, England;



In actual fact, while not perfect, given that there is a pretty large size difference in the bottom tier at Murrayfield, the lower bowl is pretty much seemless, and the upper tier is only noticable because of the step, which, to be fair, is only there to maximise capacity. In fact, given the relative complexities of Murrayfield, including a different slope angle on the upper West Stand to the rest of the upper tier, I think it is a rather impressive job. They've managed it with a step, as opposed to the walls that are so familiar elsewhere.

It's also important to remember the evolution of Murrayfield in general. If you look at the picture below, you can see that what is currently the smaller stand was originally built without corners (you can see working being done on the corners in this picture). As such, it would easily have been possible to step the corners around into the smaller stand at the bottom of the upper tier, as it does the top of the upper tier. This would have lost out on about 1000+ seats, however. Honestly, I think Murrayfield does a fantastic job and, in like a lot of other stadia, has the excuse that it's evolved and wasn't built for purpose, like the Millenium Stadium, for example.


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Old October 16th, 2006, 02:32 PM   #213
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Moenchengladbach

The Glazers could do that at Old Trafford and triple box capacity.
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Old October 16th, 2006, 04:25 PM   #214
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The Valley, Charlton, England;

err mate, a slight hitch in that otherwise highly informative post, that's not the valley, that's carrow road, home of norwich city
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The "real" Valley, Charlton, England

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Old October 17th, 2006, 10:24 AM   #216
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err mate, a slight hitch in that otherwise highly informative post, that's not the valley, that's carrow road, home of norwich city
Haha, so it is. That shows me for being in a rush and trusting what google said. I just knew it was the corners in The Valley I was looking for, googled it and that pic came up. D'oh.

The Valley actually looks distinctly better than I remembered it doing.
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Old October 17th, 2006, 11:09 AM   #217
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Estadio Ruiz de Lopera (Sevilla):




Estadio Mestalla (Valencia). http://fussballtempel.net/uefa/ESP/Mestalla.html Mestalla is a madness, it seems as my little brother design it:




Bernabéu (Madrid): http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...=275592&page=4:



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Old October 17th, 2006, 02:21 PM   #218
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I take it all back - when I said "awkward-looking" I really meant "ugly". Yes, I agree that they have joined the East Stand to the two ends without any abrupt transitions, but I really can't stand the way the roof curves round and the sudden drop at the front of the upper tier.

In the ideal world in my head, the SRU should remove the sprint track, move the pitch west, and then replace the East Stand with a copy of the West, giving a uniform upper tier all the way round and a capacity of 75-80,000...
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Old October 17th, 2006, 03:17 PM   #219
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Lol, Estadio Mestalla is crazy.
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Old October 17th, 2006, 04:18 PM   #220
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In the ideal world in my head, the SRU should remove the sprint track, move the pitch west, and then replace the East Stand with a copy of the West, giving a uniform upper tier all the way round and a capacity of 75-80,000...
See, I actually get the feeling that this was what the original plan was, which is why the spring track is there in the first place, but also because of where the pitch access roads have been built into the stadium at the corner. More than that, it is the larger of the two stands (honestly, I forget which) that has most of the corporate entertainment etc. in it. I think the long-term goal was to build a uniform stadium

At the same time, even with the relative success of Scottish rugby over the past season or so, Murrayfield is just about the right size just now, and an increase of 10 - 15,000 is very likely to be wasted much of the time, except maybe in England games. Rebuilding not only one stand, but also the corners, the roof a lot of readjustment work on the North and South stands in those corners is a lot of time and money to spend and a significant drop in capacity while the work is completed, for a relatively small gain in capacity that wouldn't often be used.

I actually really like the way Murrayfield looks, even with the drop in the corners to the smaller stand. "Character" is a much overused word on this forum, especially since Murrayfield was mostly a newbuild that opened in 1994, but at the same time, as I've said, I feel the way it's been done at Murrayfield is some of the best work around (and of a design that could easily have been replicated at Old Trafford by dropping the ends of the third tier of the North Stand) and, especially since I am past the stadium on a regular basis and in it a few times a year. There's something about that lack of uniformity that I like.

The only real beef I have with it is that the floodlights mounted on the roof of the smaller stand shine right into the middle of the larger stand and it's impossible to watch the game without getting a bloody headache.
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