daily menu » rate the banner | guess the city | one on oneforums map | privacy policy | DMCA | news magazine | posting guidelines

Go Back   SkyscraperCity > World Forums > Stadiums and Sport Arenas

Stadiums and Sport Arenas » Completed | Under Construction | Proposed | Demolished



Global Announcement

As a general reminder, please respect others and respect copyrights. Go here to familiarize yourself with our posting policy.


Reply

 
Thread Tools
Old February 23rd, 2010, 05:17 PM   #341
westsidebomber
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 211
Likes (Received): 39

Here is one of Yankee Stadium from 1923. Not sure if the picture is actually from 1923, but that's how it looked until they expanded the stadium around the foul poles. The capacity for this picture would've been 58,000!

westsidebomber no está en línea   Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links
Old March 7th, 2010, 09:30 PM   #342
limerickguy
Registered User
 
limerickguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 803
Likes (Received): 107

Steepest tier in the world

sorry if this is already done before, anyone know what the steepest tiers are? also is there a limit stands cant go past??

some iv found

the bernabau
image hosted on flickr



mastella

image hosted on flickr


image hosted on flickr
limerickguy no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 7th, 2010, 09:46 PM   #343
RobH
Registered User
 
RobH's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: London-ish
Posts: 12,769
Likes (Received): 10325

I'm fairly certain those stands would be illegal in the UK. So as far as limits go, it would vary from country to country.
RobH está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote
Old March 7th, 2010, 09:59 PM   #344
CharlieP
Tax avoider
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Nottingham
Posts: 23,753
Likes (Received): 1974

Quote:
Originally Posted by limerickguy View Post
is there a limit stands cant go past??
Legally, physically or practically?
__________________
This signature is socialist and un-American.
CharlieP no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 7th, 2010, 10:07 PM   #345
Patrick
✪ DWF ✪ Alaaf! ✪
 
Patrick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Grafschaft Wied
Posts: 2,626
Likes (Received): 888

SUch steep stand makes a stadium looking much bigger than it actually is.

Another example: Toyota Stadium in Toyota. Hard to believe it only hosts around 45,000 fans.

Patrick no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 7th, 2010, 11:12 PM   #346
www.sercan.de
Galatasaray SK
 
www.sercan.de's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Istanbul
Posts: 27,950
Likes (Received): 2718

Steepest angle for stadiums is 45°
Bernabeu and Boca's 3rd has got 45°
I think Mestalla's 3rd one also
__________________
International titles of Galatasaray SK
UEFA Europa League (1): 2000
UEFA Super Cup (1): 2000

ULEB Eurocup (1): 2016

FIBA EuroLeague Women (1): 2014
FIBA EuroCup Women (1): 2009

IWBF Champions Cup (5): 2008, 2009, 2011, 2013, 2014
IWBF André Vergauwen Cup (1): 2017
IWBF Intercontinental Cup (4): 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012

EJU Golden League (1): 2014
www.sercan.de no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 8th, 2010, 05:58 PM   #347
Huskies
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 331
Likes (Received): 50

hang on a minute now sercan... are you saying that the steepest allowed angle is 45 ° ? i know that the mestalla and probably some other stadium has 45 degree tiers , but isnt the steepest angle ALLOWED something around 36 degrees ?
Huskies no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 8th, 2010, 06:21 PM   #348
www.sercan.de
Galatasaray SK
 
www.sercan.de's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Istanbul
Posts: 27,950
Likes (Received): 2718

At modern stadia max. is is 36,9° (as far as i remember).
So 80cm row depth and 60cm row height.

At Bernabeu etc the row depth is under 80cm.

I think 45° is not allowed in England (36°?), germany and Italy (41°).
But i am not sure if there is a limit in Spain etc
__________________
International titles of Galatasaray SK
UEFA Europa League (1): 2000
UEFA Super Cup (1): 2000

ULEB Eurocup (1): 2016

FIBA EuroLeague Women (1): 2014
FIBA EuroCup Women (1): 2009

IWBF Champions Cup (5): 2008, 2009, 2011, 2013, 2014
IWBF André Vergauwen Cup (1): 2017
IWBF Intercontinental Cup (4): 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012

EJU Golden League (1): 2014
www.sercan.de no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 9th, 2010, 08:00 PM   #349
skaP187
Registered User
 
skaP187's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Alicante
Posts: 2,207
Likes (Received): 503

Quote:
Originally Posted by www.sercan.de View Post
Steepest angle for stadiums is 45°
Bernabeu and Boca's 3rd has got 45°
I think Mestalla's 3rd one also
Third tier Mestella is not 45 degrees. I´ve been there and sat there against Villarreal. Also to experiance a tier that steep.
I more or less messured it up with some brochure i found () and it was not 1 on 1. So it´s less then 45 degrees.
The steepness was not realy a problem or something. the way up was a nice climb though.
45 degrees for me is exceptable.
skaP187 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old October 8th, 2010, 03:09 PM   #350
salto_angel
Visionmonger
 
salto_angel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Bytůń
Posts: 19,516
Likes (Received): 9340

The biggest single tier football-only stadium in Europe is being built in Poland, Wroclaw for Euro 2012:

Quote:
Originally Posted by zygmunt_august View Post
Ostatnia seria na dziś












It will host 42,000 fans.
I wonder, if there are any bigger single-tier modern football-only stadiums in the world? If yes, please post links and info.
__________________
Prezydent: Dziękuję wszystkim tym, którzy wywieszali moje banery na swoich płotach. #stolatplanowania

TUMW

Last edited by salto_angel; October 8th, 2010 at 03:16 PM.
salto_angel no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old October 9th, 2010, 08:57 AM   #351
desertpunk
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot
 
desertpunk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: ELP ~ ABQ
Posts: 55,648
Likes (Received): 53449

Lucas Oil Stadium in Indianapolis

image hosted on flickr

http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/
__________________
We are floating in space...
desertpunk no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old October 9th, 2010, 02:06 PM   #352
Luke80
Registered User
 
Luke80's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Surrey, UK
Posts: 774
Likes (Received): 4

Quote:
Originally Posted by salto_angel View Post
I wonder, if there are any bigger single-tier modern football-only stadiums in the world? If yes, please post links and info.
I posted the same question pages and pages ago on the stadium thread. I believe the answer is no and that's why, for me at least, it's the one I'm most looking forward to seeing completed.
Luke80 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old October 11th, 2010, 02:36 PM   #353
salto_angel
Visionmonger
 
salto_angel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Bytůń
Posts: 19,516
Likes (Received): 9340

thanks for the answer Luke.

One more pic from inside:
__________________
Prezydent: Dziękuję wszystkim tym, którzy wywieszali moje banery na swoich płotach. #stolatplanowania

TUMW
salto_angel no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old October 11th, 2010, 03:37 PM   #354
Alemanniafan
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 676
Likes (Received): 20

Stade Maurice Dufrasne (Sclessin), Standard de Liège, Liége Belgium

I don't know if it's anywhere near the steepest tier in the world, but it definetely has by far the steepest tiers that Iv'e ever been on.

view from inside:
http://www.stadionwelt.de/sw_stadien...lessin/280.jpg

view from outside:
http://www.stadionwelt.de/sw_stadien...lessin/370.jpg

the entire picture gallery on Stadionwelt.de:
http://www.stadionwelt.de/sw_stadien...&id=405&page=1

I son't how steep the stands oficially are, but it sure feels like more than 45° when you're up there on one.
__________________
TIVOLI - I LOV IT !!!

Last edited by Alemanniafan; October 11th, 2010 at 03:45 PM.
Alemanniafan no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old October 11th, 2010, 06:12 PM   #355
scottyaks143
BANNED
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 18
Likes (Received): 0

I wish I can play in that stadiums..
scottyaks143 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 15th, 2011, 11:55 PM   #356
en1044
Unregistered User
 
en1044's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 2,405
Likes (Received): 113

I swear there is already a thread on this.
__________________
WASHINGTON REDSKINS
en1044 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 16th, 2011, 12:31 AM   #357
Bobby3
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Charlotte, NC
Posts: 1,267
Likes (Received): 52

Nebraska has an enormous one, but it isn't as big as either of those.
Bobby3 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old August 23rd, 2011, 05:13 PM   #358
Werkself
wiki.werkskultur.de
 
Werkself's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Leverkusen
Posts: 186
Likes (Received): 5

Inverted Terracing for Stadiums - Your Opinion



Click the Link to see a video.
http://www.mopo.de/sport/fc-st--paul...040/9565360/-/
Werkself no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old August 23rd, 2011, 05:34 PM   #359
CharlieP
Tax avoider
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Nottingham
Posts: 23,753
Likes (Received): 1974

That's not inverted terracing though - that's radically overhanging tiers.
__________________
This signature is socialist and un-American.
CharlieP no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old August 23rd, 2011, 07:08 PM   #360
Alemanniafan
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 676
Likes (Received): 20

By the way, terracing is the english term for standing areas, instead of seats.

This stand here looks spectacular and kinda radical and nice, but I believe it has some safety issues which would have to be solved.

Just immagine people throwing half filled beermugs from the upper tiers.
Those would end up being really dangerous "bombs" for sectators in the lower tier/s of the stand as well as the players referees and other officials.

Another problem, especially in the club where this proposal has been made. Happen to be drunken fans climbing up anything they can climb and then falling down getting seriously injured.
This has been a pretty serious recent issue, as well as throwing beermugs which just resulted in the club having to play their first homegame of the season away in Lübeck.

So I believe this stands upper hanging tiers would most definetely have to be completely closed with nets. And that would drastically reduce the viewing experiance.

Another issue should probably be the view in the last or last few rows of each hangig tier, where the view will most likely be reduced to the field itself and hardly any view of the opposite stand, due to the next higher tier hanging in front above, And it would also be impossible to see any of the crowd in all of the tiers below. So a lot of the views in that stand, even though they might not be officially obstructed, would end up being limited to just being able to see the pitch and hardly much of the crowd inside the stadium. Much sort of like a Television or classic theater kind of spectator experience I guess. The video only shows the nicer optimum views in each of the hanging tiers lower or front rows, but not the poorer views in the back.

The net issue would be the effect on the stadium atmosphere, with all these numerous small and very isolated tiers. As well as the effect on the accoustics in the stand where noise would most likely ne reflected back down but not really onto the pitch and certainly not up int the upper next few higher tiers.
That should probably make it rather difficult for the crowd on the stand to sing and support in a synchronized way or for Laolas and other optical support possibillities.

All in all it doesn't seem to be a very beneficial or preferable kind of construction to me, unless there is only very limited space available to build a stand with a high capacity. But that isn't really the case in St. Pauli.
A better possibility might probably be not a spectacular "wave kind" of Profile but instead just stacking classical tiers with a very large or complete overhang on top of each other. In the case of this stadium here, the Millerntor-Stadion possibly two or three classical tiers simply "stacked" right on top of each nearly completely overlapping each other or at least overlapping very much. Kind of simmilar to the way it can sometimes be found in old classical theaters, just bigger.
It would end up having pretty simmilar disadvantages though, but would at least allow for not chopping up the crowd into many isolated tiers but just splitting up the crowd into two or three preferably large tiers instead, which then at least still allows a halfwhat reasonable crowd experiance for the visitors.

This wave profile of a stand is in my opinion only really good for a main stand in order to place VIP boxes and business seats up and close to the pitch, with a spectacular view, and only in a small or medium sized stadium. Those spectators would also not be expected to throw with beermugs and they could have a prime quality theater type of spectator experience high above the crowd down below. That way it would end up being very simmilar to the row of sky boxes they have hanging underneath the roof on the new main stand in Bielefeld.
__________________
TIVOLI - I LOV IT !!!

Last edited by Alemanniafan; August 23rd, 2011 at 07:38 PM.
Alemanniafan no está en línea   Reply With Quote


Reply

Tags
stadiums

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Related topics on SkyscraperCity


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 12:12 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2017 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2017 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

SkyscraperCity ☆ In Urbanity We trust ☆ about us | privacy policy | DMCA policy

Hosted by Blacksun, dedicated to this site too!
Forum server management by DaiTengu