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Old December 11th, 2007, 04:03 AM   #381
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Awesome updates, the facade looks stunning..
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Old December 11th, 2007, 04:10 AM   #382
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Now that's one of the few skyscraper walls outside of Hong Kong .
lol. Indeed this can never get approval in HK lol.
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Old December 16th, 2007, 09:34 PM   #383
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Old December 17th, 2007, 01:07 AM   #384
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Here you can see the gap developing where the main Pelli-designed tower splits into two towers.
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Old December 17th, 2007, 04:28 AM   #385
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This parking garage is going up super fast, considering the size of it.
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Old December 17th, 2007, 09:04 AM   #386
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This project is so huge. I cant wait to see the finished result.
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Old December 17th, 2007, 05:37 PM   #387
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I can't believe they still built parking like this. it should be below surface.

what a massive project!
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Old December 17th, 2007, 07:35 PM   #388
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The Cosmopolitan and the Palazzo have underground parking and there is a little bit of underground parking in the front of the CityCenter complex.

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Old December 17th, 2007, 11:55 PM   #389
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I can't believe they still built parking like this. it should be below surface.
underground parking takes too long and ends up being way more costly.

if city center had decided on underground parking, this project would take an extra 18-24 months to complete (having to drain out all the underground water etc) and thats a hell of a lot of lost money right there.

underground parking will become more prevalent in the future i suspect now that free land on the strip is becoming scarce
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Old December 19th, 2007, 07:06 PM   #390
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I think above ground parking is terrible as well. The city should make developers go undeground. This talk about costs I dont buy. Estetics is what should matter. Plus more land can be developed into useful structures rather then have it used up by pointless multi story ugly looking parking garage.

Vegas could be such an amazing place if they did things a little better. I also cant believe there are electrical wires above ground in the middle of the strip.

But I guess it all makes sense. Vegas is all about illusion of beauty rather then creating it. The key is what things look like inside so that you will not leave until you loose all your money! Plus they dont really want to build expensive well designed all thought out structures, because they know people will come anyways. Kinda sad but its true.

In addition, I also wonder what are they planning to do with traffic. These huge developments will add more cars. The traffic is already terrible now.
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Old December 19th, 2007, 10:44 PM   #391
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Plus they dont really want to build expensive well designed all thought out structures, because they know people will come anyways.
That argument doesn't hold water because this project happens to be the single most expensive privately funded construction project in U.S. history and will be LEED certified. There are several other projects here that are also some of the most expensive construction projects in history.

As for putting stuff underground, the ground here is really rock-hard caliche. Sullivan Square is using dynamite to remove it for their underground parking. Plus, down at the Strip the water table is very near the surface. And the amount of parking needed for these resorts is much, much, much larger than for regular condo or office towers in other cities. Imagine how big a hole you would need for 12,000 parking spaces, it would take a couple years just to dig it here. Now imagine all the toxic exhaust fumes down there from that many cars. Yuk.

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Old December 20th, 2007, 01:28 AM   #392
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I think above ground parking is terrible as well. The city should make developers go undeground. This talk about costs I dont buy. Estetics is what should matter. Plus more land can be developed into useful structures rather then have it used up by pointless multi story ugly looking parking garage.
mdiederi put it perfectly but let me add this car park will not be visible from the strip or I15 due to the power plant in front. The issue of how sturdy the ground under las vegas is should also be questioned after years of possibly thousands of underground nuclear tests less than 60 miles away, vegas is also near a major fault line and the risks of underground car parking should not be ignored after what happened in moscow last year http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article1578729.ece

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yeah tell that to steve Wynn who spent $1.8 billion on Bellagio 10 years, $2.8 billion on building Wynn in 2005, Elad who are spending $7.8 billion on Plaza Las Vegas, Boyd who are spending $5 billion on Echelon and MGM who are spending $7.5 billion on this project, in comparison the Burj Al Arab hotel in Dubai seen by many as the worlds top hotel cost just $600 million and that included building a man-made island.
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Old December 20th, 2007, 09:03 PM   #393
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Walking through that site for the first time when its open will be awesome.
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Old December 21st, 2007, 04:39 AM   #394
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The issue of how sturdy the ground under las vegas is should also be questioned after years of possibly thousands of underground nuclear tests less than 60 miles away.
maybe they shouldn't build any more buildings in Las Vegas taller than 2 stories
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Old December 21st, 2007, 04:45 AM   #395
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continuing on the parking theme, palazzo took over 18 months to dig a hole big enough for 4,500 car parking spaces and still that wasn't enough as they went ahead and built a multi-story surface car-park after that, it would take probably the best part of 3-4 years i assume to build an underground car-park capable of holding 12,000 cars
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Old January 15th, 2008, 03:20 AM   #396
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Above ground parking garages don't have to be ugly. I have seen some that look like attractive buildings and can only be determined to be garages at close inspection.
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Old January 15th, 2008, 03:42 AM   #397
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when will the project be done?
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Old January 15th, 2008, 06:24 PM   #398
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Fourth quarter of 2009. I would guess a November opening of 2009.
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Old January 15th, 2008, 10:41 PM   #399
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Up date

Okay, Las Vegans, lets have an up date on the construction progress ... what the heights of the various buildings???
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Old January 15th, 2008, 11:39 PM   #400
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These are from a few weeks ago. Forgot to post them here.



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