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Old January 15th, 2009, 08:39 PM   #2121
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But in this case that walls are directly under the tower. And im not even quite sure if they are slurry walls. Just notise that transvers walls. Have you ever seen slurry walls done like that?
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Old January 15th, 2009, 08:56 PM   #2122
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The concretepooring in the last picture definitely isn't for slurrywalls. Slurrywalls are way more slim than this is. Looks like some small foundation for something temporary.
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Old January 15th, 2009, 09:01 PM   #2123
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I wasnt refering to the last picture, i was refering to the slim sticking out walls on the circle
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Old January 15th, 2009, 09:15 PM   #2124
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But in this case that walls are directly under the tower. And im not even quite sure if they are slurry walls. Just notise that transvers walls. Have you ever seen slurry walls done like that?
slurry walls are never directly under the tower! under the tower is the raft foundation and under the raft foundation are the piles..nothing more
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Old January 15th, 2009, 10:08 PM   #2125
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Ok, but we are talking about particular case! Look at this:




If red circle represents towers wide, then walls i'm talking about (green) are under the tower. Sure they are not at the bottom (like piles) but they are under the tower, and if stay will be strongly conected to the structure.
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Old January 15th, 2009, 10:40 PM   #2126
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the red circle is NOT the towers wide. the inner green is it
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Old January 15th, 2009, 10:43 PM   #2127
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then between the green and the red is that wall right? to keep the water out.
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Old January 15th, 2009, 10:49 PM   #2128
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i would say the green part is the wall/will be the wall. that's where they're working at the moment.

we need new pics !
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Old January 15th, 2009, 11:40 PM   #2129
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i would say the green part is the wall/will be the wall. that's where they're working at the moment.
double slurry wall, isnt it strange?

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Old January 16th, 2009, 01:13 AM   #2130
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hehe ok im gonna save you guys!

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Old January 16th, 2009, 11:48 AM   #2131
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Old January 16th, 2009, 01:57 PM   #2132
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This is like that. In some cases slurry wall isnt directly conected to the tower and then i think it shouldnt be consider as a part of the tower. And in this particular case that walls (nevermind if this is slurry wall or something else) supose to be directly under the tower, and now IF they not gonna to remove it, it WILL be conected to the tower (becouse it is directly under it), so then it should be considere as a part of the tower. I hope you all get my point.
I officially give up trying to convince you that this is not part of the foundation structure. If they build the tower on top of this 'slab' and around those concrete boxes then you will have been correct and I will stand corrected. If not I guess you will have to concede that neither were part of the foundation or structure.

I will be extremely surprised if this is the case as I have NEVER seen any tower built this way before....ANYWHERE. But hey, I certainly do not know it all and stranger things have happened.

Since that pic was taken less than two months after ground breaking...maybe you can find the pics of the start of construction where there was nothing on the site, huh?
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Old January 16th, 2009, 02:07 PM   #2133
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Not on the top to say. But what if underground ceilings will be connected to the wall?

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It's not only because of water. In this case the slurry wall (diaphragm wall or the wall in the ground) also will help to build underground floors without digging outside of the plot.
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Old January 16th, 2009, 05:04 PM   #2134
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Not on the top to say. But what if underground ceilings will be connected to the wall?
And that what i was talking about. In that case it IS part of the structure.

And TXSkyWatcher. Here you go, just before ground braking ceremony:

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Old January 16th, 2009, 05:15 PM   #2135
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why is this thread still here...
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Old January 16th, 2009, 05:18 PM   #2136
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Why shouldn't?
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Old January 16th, 2009, 11:45 PM   #2137
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other render:

I see the way the renders make nearby buildings look less and exaggerate the main thing. No complaint, smart...
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Old January 17th, 2009, 12:09 AM   #2138
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obviously..or how does someone who hasnt seen the tower know which one it is in the render?
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Old January 17th, 2009, 12:14 AM   #2139
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Old January 17th, 2009, 02:07 AM   #2140
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I think there is no doubt! The first photo explains everything.
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