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Old November 19th, 2015, 08:02 AM   #22841
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Old November 19th, 2015, 05:01 PM   #22842
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No one besides you cares? Pretty sure they will have no problem filling all the rooms at 5-star prices. The view is pretty damn good and you have given no proof that it is a significant obstruction from interior views. Kix posted a picture where you barely see the supports. Very lightweight and airy.
Please don't try to argue. I'm not trying to argue with you. Let's keep it friendly, please.

The picture (s)he posted is from way back and apparently in a location where it is less obstructed. As I said, most views will be obstructed, not all. And looking straight out the window (as that photo shows) doesn't give a good exemplification of the issue (applying simple geometry).

I'm sure they'll have no problem filling the rooms as well. I'm just pointing out an issue that many views from the building will have because I think it's something the architect didn't think through (or just didn't care about).

I'm sure the terraces will be wonderful. They'll be a great place to hang out if and when people have the chance to take a break.

Please move on.
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Old November 19th, 2015, 05:30 PM   #22843
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Not most. Only a minimal portion of views are affected. Please provide a pic with a highly obstructed view if you're so adamant about it. Pretty sure the architects did think it through and concluded it wasn't a problem at all.
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Old November 19th, 2015, 08:41 PM   #22844
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How about a picture of a happy puppy instead?


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Old November 20th, 2015, 04:04 AM   #22845
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Old November 21st, 2015, 02:02 AM   #22846
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Because nobody else mentions it and it's important to remember that buildings are designed for the people inside them at least as much if not more than for those looking at them. This is a beautiful building to look at but the views from inside will mostly be obstructed. That's a really negative aspect of this building's design and one that aspiring architects should be mindful of. That's why I have mentioned it about three times in the past year.

This building is more about efficiency and scale. The people inside will be happy when they see the bills .


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Old November 21st, 2015, 04:52 AM   #22847
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This building is more about efficiency and scale. The people inside will be happy when they see the bills .

With all due respect, no. Any glass box is about efficiency and scale. This one is quite the opposite (at least as far as its shape and use of space is concerned). It is very much a statement building and beautifully done in that regard.

Please don't think I don't like and appreciate this building. It's gorgeous to look at and I'm sure many of the views will be amazing. But many will also be partly-to-largely obstructed, and for a building of this stature that's a shame.
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Old November 21st, 2015, 10:40 AM   #22848
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With all due respect, no. Any glass box is about efficiency and scale. This one is quite the opposite (at least as far as its shape and use of space is concerned). It is very much a statement building and beautifully done in that regard.

Please don't think I don't like and appreciate this building. It's gorgeous to look at and I'm sure many of the views will be amazing. But many will also be partly-to-largely obstructed, and for a building of this stature that's a shame.
Yes, this "box" .

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Old November 21st, 2015, 02:34 PM   #22849
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...But many will also be partly-to-largely obstructed, and for a building of this stature that's a shame.
I'm not sure that I understand your obsession with "views".

For every man with a window office in a skyscraper there are a hundred employees that never see the outside because they work in endless landscapes of "office cubicles" or long rows of call center desks. When they go to the restroom they don't see the outside and when (if at all) they go to lunch they don't see the outside.

If you think working in a skyscraper is sitting at a desk looking into the far distant horizon your reality is seriously distorted.... With all due respect.

I'd anytime choose to work in Shanghai Tower where I could hold informal meetings or eat my lunch in one of those amazing skygardens.

But the one percent would of course choose to focus on the big one-man-office with the grand view. And since they are the ones with the cash to fund skyscrapers that's how they all end up.

Shanghai Tower creates the opportunity for a socially more equal workplace.

I'll take that over your "views" any day.
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Old November 21st, 2015, 03:55 PM   #22850
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I'm not sure that I understand your obsession with "views".

For every man with a window office in a skyscraper there are a hundred employees that never see the outside because they work in endless landscapes of "office cubicles" or long rows of call center desks. When they go to the restroom they don't see the outside and when (if at all) they go to lunch they don't see the outside.

If you think working in a skyscraper is sitting at a desk looking into the far distant horizon your reality is seriously distorted.... With all due respect.

I'd anytime choose to work in Shanghai Tower where I could hold informal meetings or eat my lunch in one of those amazing skygardens.

But the one percent would of course choose to focus on the big one-man-office with the grand view. And since they are the ones with the cash to fund skyscrapers that's how they all end up.

Shanghai Tower creates the opportunity for a socially more equal workplace.

I'll take that over your "views" any day.
I've worked in skyscrapers. I've had the window with the view and I've had the inner desk. When I had the inner desk there were common areas on every floor and they had views... which weren't obstructed. I used them often. It took me about 10 seconds to walk to them. I didn't have to walk to the lobby, wait for an elevator and go to another floor. And if you're attempting to imply that I'm the 1% and therefore a schmuck, guess again. Please don't toss around vague insults. This forum is for sharing and learning, not bullying.

With what you described, maybe you'd prefer this?

http://wiezowce.blox.pl/resource/33thomas7.jpg
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Old November 21st, 2015, 04:03 PM   #22851
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Somebody in Shanghai please post a new photo of this building so we can move on.
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Old November 22nd, 2015, 06:16 AM   #22852
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I've worked in skyscrapers. I've had the window with the view and I've had the inner desk. When I had the inner desk there were common areas on every floor and they had views... which weren't obstructed. I used them often. It took me about 10 seconds to walk to them. I didn't have to walk to the lobby, wait for an elevator and go to another floor. And if you're attempting to imply that I'm the 1% and therefore a schmuck, guess again. Please don't toss around vague insults. This forum is for sharing and learning, not bullying. With what you described, maybe you'd prefer this? http://wiezowce.blox.pl/resource/33thomas7.jpg
Can you tell me which building is this?
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Old November 22nd, 2015, 06:32 AM   #22853
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^It's the AT&T Long Lines Building in Manhattan at 33 Thomas St.
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Old November 23rd, 2015, 07:54 PM   #22854
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Old November 23rd, 2015, 08:31 PM   #22855
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What about the hotel rooms at the top? Or did they make sure the views aren't obstructed in those pay-by-the-day views?
The outer cladding is much closer to the inner cladding at the upper levels. I would like to see if you can look almost straight down, as I like to try to do in any tall building, in any room of this tower. I would imagine it to be as difficult as looking up seems to be from the sky gardens picture posted above.
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Old November 24th, 2015, 11:44 AM   #22856
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Old November 24th, 2015, 05:54 PM   #22857
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The outer cladding is much closer to the inner cladding at the upper levels. I would like to see if you can look almost straight down, as I like to try to do in any tall building, in any room of this tower. I would imagine it to be as difficult as looking up seems to be from the sky gardens picture posted above.
Yeah, I was going to point this out. The double-cladding has many purposes, as laid out in the Gensler literature, including climate control, external glare reduction, and creating gathering space -- but preserving great views doesn't seem to be one of them (views should be one of the selling points of the second tallest building in the world, and yet in that whole brochure never get mentioned). It's perfectly reasonable to deduce, given what we've seen of the structure as viewed from the atrium, that straight-on views from the office floors won't be unobstructed. But in my own experience, the way something like that photographs versus how it actually appears in person is a whole other story -- I imagine most people won't really notice the supports when their eyes are fixed on the huge drop and the skyline below.

In any case, the gaps between inner and outer skins do shrink significantly in the uppermost sections, so any view obstruction by the support structure will be reduced in the hotel floors and the observation deck. As for looking straight down, I believe all you would see is the floor of the sky lobby a few stories below you.

I wish I'd seen this discussion in progress a week ago, I took a recent trip to the Gensler office here in LA, and maybe could've asked somebody about it... Barring that, here's a cool model they have set up in the lobby (it's a good 8 feet tall, although I realize that's not very impressive compared to the finished building):


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Old November 24th, 2015, 06:45 PM   #22858
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As for looking straight down, I believe all you would see is the floor of the sky lobby a few stories below you.
Looking from most offices, yes. But the observation deck at the top will have unobstructed views.
There are also gaps in the glass cladding where you can hold your camera/phone outside the building.
You can see it a bit here:








At some parts you can also walk on a glass floor and look all the way down.
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Not only is the top observatory deck open to the air above, but there are three glass-floored dining rooms which are on roller systems allowing them to span out over the edge of the building to allow diners an amazing view down while they eat! Not for everyone, I’m sure, but quite an experience nonetheless! A lot of the top few floors is also given up to a unique wind-power generation system (the far right image above) which, when running, can power the restaurants below.


Interesting how accurate this info is.

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http://www.architecturalrecord.com/a...shanghai-tower

http://www.paulreiffer.com/2015/07/t...-in-the-world/
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Has anyone an idea when would it be opened for general public please?
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