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Old April 22nd, 2009, 08:41 PM   #2541
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The design of Shanghai Tower is the future, but i don't like the urban environment in Lujiazui. Its to much built for cars and the space between the buildings is filled with parking space and other destructive things for a pleasant city.
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Old April 22nd, 2009, 10:10 PM   #2542
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I see your point. But I think once the whole area will be completed the parking lot you see will be a park. Whats there now is just temporary. At least that is what I see on the renderings of the area. There is a lot of construction in Lujiazui right now and a lot of it in infrastructure like new tunnels and underpasses, so it all looks messy, but I think once its all done it will be car as well as walk friendly. Remember also that an entrace to the subway will be directly from Shanghai Tower.
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Old April 22nd, 2009, 10:37 PM   #2543
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Those lots are temporary. Lujiazui land is at a premium
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Old April 22nd, 2009, 10:49 PM   #2544
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Same for the Shanghai Tower, they don't need that kind of office space in Shanghai right now. Shanghai Tower isn't even as tall as the Burji, yet it is in "another league"? It's one of the first in a line of supertall towers, but it's still a skyscraper. It's going to be as equally impressive as the Jin Mao and SWFC are, nothing more, nothing less.
Of course the office space is not needed right now, but in 2014 when the tower will be completed, it will be sorely needed and this tower would be able to command high rents by being such a prominent, beautiful, and "flagship" tower. There's something called economic projections used when deciding to built this tower; they know that they'll make a profit off the tower by planning for all the office space needed when China's (and Shanghai's) economy has grown 50% bigger from today's levels. Also, it's someone's opinion that ST is in another league, and you have absolutely no right to say that someone's subjective opinion on a tower's design is right or wrong.
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Old April 23rd, 2009, 01:54 AM   #2545
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agree, it is also a lot cheaper to build the tower now during the recession due to cheap raw materials providing the fact that shanghai would need such amount of office space in the future, also ST is to boost shanghai's real estate market and consumers confidence during this recession
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Old April 23rd, 2009, 02:08 AM   #2546
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ST is astonishing in overall size, and more importantly for my mind, its design is spectacular. Definitely my preference to the BD, however, as has been alluded to, without BD's design, the feasibility of other such supertalls as the ST would have been made a whole lot more complicated.
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Old April 23rd, 2009, 04:43 AM   #2547
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Same for the Shanghai Tower, they don't need that kind of office space in Shanghai right now. Shanghai Tower isn't even as tall as the Burji, yet it is in "another league"? It's one of the first in a line of supertall towers, but it's still a skyscraper. It's going to be as equally impressive as the Jin Mao and SWFC are, nothing more, nothing less.


This chart has been posted in SWFC thread before, obviously the problem is not no need for high standard office space, it is such low vacancy rate and rent rising will hurt economic development of Shanghai.

IMO burji Dubai sacrifices a lot in design for archiving its height, the height itself is great and leads to its visual dominance in surrounding areas. ST on the other hand is in different category, although it's tall enough to excite skyscraper fans, what make ST so great is the abundances design-wise. As such a supertall, its internal public and working space is really unique, and double curtain wall not only technically give answers for internal environmental control to be a eco-friendly building, but also build a great integrated visual image which balances transparency and non-transparency. It's almost certain with some proper lighing treatment ST will bring the city's night view some dynamic and futuristic visions that SWFC and Burji Dubai couldnt.

Anyway, I am not saying ST is greater, Burji Dubai is born for height, ST on the other way is a design-wise excitement combination of Foster's Commerzbank Tower and Calatrava's Turning Torso. They are just different.
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Old April 23rd, 2009, 04:55 AM   #2548
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The design of Shanghai Tower is the future, but i don't like the urban environment in Lujiazui. Its to much built for cars and the space between the buildings is filled with parking space and other destructive things for a pleasant city.
Yeah, parts of the traffic across triangle area could be put underway, a continuous pedestrian friendly area could work as scale adjustment for these kind of skyscrapers park.
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Old April 23rd, 2009, 06:13 PM   #2549
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I have to say, if I was running the BD site I wouldn't be making comparisons with towers like this one. It goes to show you that the only thing these people care about is how big it is. I like the Burj, but it's extra 150m worth of height doesn't make up for the fact that the Shanghai Tower is in another league in design terms.

That other one is nice too. The cladding reminds me a bit of the Gherkin.
Both designs are great, but size is not the most important thing (I guess for somme guys it is (we all know why ) and Burj Dubai even at 819m, will still be second best in Dubai, after Burj al Arab.

But the fact that no one mentioned here, when you make the comparison, is that Burj is "so alone" , while Shanghai Tower will have 2 of the most iconic towers in the world next to it, Jin Mao and SWFC.
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Old April 24th, 2009, 07:22 AM   #2550
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For those who think Shanghai have too much office space.

You may be correct, but to maintain it self as the business hub of the region, Shanghai must maintain affordable rent costs for businesses. And the only way to keep the prices low is to have an abundance of supply.

Otherwise business would move to cheaper locations out side of the city and the only ones that would maintain its locations in Shanghai will be the the relatively few very wealthy ones and also the ones that need to maintain a certain image. This will dramaticly hit the city in terms of business activity.

This is what's going on in Toronto at the moment. Where businesses are moving to the suburbs and the city proper it self is going bankrupt.
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Old April 25th, 2009, 12:53 AM   #2551
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Both designs are great, but size is not the most important thing (I guess for somme guys it is (we all know why ) and Burj Dubai even at 819m, will still be second best in Dubai, after Burj al Arab.

But the fact that no one mentioned here, when you make the comparison, is that Burj is "so alone" , while Shanghai Tower will have 2 of the most iconic towers in the world next to it, Jin Mao and SWFC.
Did you forget about one dubai tower (850 m) which is already consist of three connected towers ???
Let us just wait for the financial crises to finish .

anyway, I really consider Shanghai Tower some thing special
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Old April 25th, 2009, 03:49 AM   #2552
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Nice comparison..............
Yeah... i thing the Shanghai Tower it's most glam than Burj Dubai
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Old April 25th, 2009, 03:54 AM   #2553
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Old April 25th, 2009, 03:01 PM   #2554
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Did you forget about one dubai tower (850 m) which is already consist of three connected towers ???
Let us just wait for the financial crises to finish .
One Dubai, (if it will be built) is far away from Burj Dubai (+1km), The 3 towers in SH are all next to each other
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Old April 25th, 2009, 03:21 PM   #2555
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yea but he meant one dubai is 3 towers. It doesnt matter though, until we can be almost certain one dubai is going to be build, we wont compare it to other structures.
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Old April 25th, 2009, 03:29 PM   #2556
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yea but he meant one dubai is 3 towers. It doesnt matter though, until we can be almost certain one dubai is going to be build, we wont compare it to other structures.
yeah, 3 towers with the same design...

but the comparson was Burj Dubai vs Shanghai Tower, not One Dubai vs Shanghai Tower.

and about One Dubai, I don't belive it will be built... not at ~850m anyway... I guess they will use the original ~550m (cheaper) proposal, before they oversized to 850m.
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Old April 25th, 2009, 07:50 PM   #2557
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Great tower Something to keep us skyscraper enthusiasts busy during the global economic slow down. So many towers have been put on hold it's nice to see one that's actually being built.
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Old April 26th, 2009, 10:29 PM   #2558
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yeah, talk about the feeling depression!!
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Old April 27th, 2009, 05:07 AM   #2559
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can't wait till this starts rising.
Is there any chance that, after the Burj Dubai is completed, and removed from the supertall construction forum, that this one will be stickied at the top, since it is going to be the second tallest building after the Burj Dubai.
Also is there any kind of timetable showing when each of the 'sections' are supposed to be finished?
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Old April 27th, 2009, 10:53 AM   #2560
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There is couple of towers higher than this one that may be under construction until then so i thinkg doing that makes no sense.
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