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Old April 15th, 2010, 09:28 AM   #3981
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These are tower cranes because they will rise with the building, there just not in the core. If they were on the outside of the building then it would be different.
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Old April 15th, 2010, 11:47 AM   #3982
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hahaha, You gays are a little bit **** though I understood what he meant with no problem, he just made mistake becouse he didn't write "tower cranes" instead of tower cranes for extremly formalists..
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Old April 15th, 2010, 01:26 PM   #3983
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Can we stop bickering about the damn cranes, and who's definition is correct? Christ.
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Old April 15th, 2010, 07:16 PM   #3984
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I think they are erecting Favelle Favco M900D cranes or even much powerful...
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Old April 16th, 2010, 05:12 AM   #3985
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Hi all.

Hi Fox.
I can see your meaning in that some tower cranes rise with the tower but that is not the correct naming convention for cranes.

A tower crane is one that sits on a vertical mast or tower. Location is not relevent to the type of crane. A tower crane can rise with a structure or just sit on the ground never rising. The ones that rise with the structure can be mounted in the core, outside of the core but still within the building, or on the outside of the building.

As an example - the Burj Khalifa.
The tower cranes that rose with the main structure (or tower if you will) were actually mounted outside the core but still within the structure. The tower cranes used on the podiums never rose. None the less all were tower cranes.



I'm sure everyone knows what you meant - its just the term "tower crane" is used as a type of crane - not the location.

Hi Bohdan.
abc mentioned Favco 760D as his guestimate. I've found his posts to be quite acurate on cranes in the past.

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Old April 16th, 2010, 07:53 AM   #3986
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i notice the greenery in the building. they look like small parks in a single building,very nice.
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Old April 16th, 2010, 09:04 PM   #3987
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Hi Bohdan.
abc mentioned Favco 760D as his guestimate. I've found his posts to be quite acurate on cranes in the past.

Hi Fury.
I still think there will be erected much powerful cranes than 760D ones. It because they need cranes with big load momentum for steel columns installation.
Also, it seems that crane tower width is more wide than in 760D one, and machinery deck is larger...
But we will see
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Old April 16th, 2010, 09:40 PM   #3988
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Can anyone tell me which models have been used in burj khalifa? I asked unkle google but got no response.. I think type of crane is quite interesting comparing factor for those two buildings. I only know that those were favelle favco cranes.
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Old April 16th, 2010, 09:53 PM   #3989
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I'm not a specialist, but i don't think you can automatically link them. It depends what they would have to lift up there and the volume of work they have to support.

I mean if the consultants and contractors can decide what building technique and materials to use, they will also decide accordingly what type, number and location of cranes would be more appropriate.

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Old April 16th, 2010, 10:14 PM   #3990
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I'm not a specialist,
Well, there are two of us then

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but i don't think you can automatically link them.
Still, i think this is very interesting. So, do you know what kind were used in bk?
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Old April 17th, 2010, 01:51 AM   #3991
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Can anyone tell me which models have been used in burj khalifa? I asked unkle google but got no response.. I think type of crane is quite interesting comparing factor for those two buildings. I only know that those were favelle favco cranes.
440's and 380's.. here's one of the 440's coming down off the Burj.



Yeah Bohdan, (by the way, I enjoy your photos etc) Could be 900's being used for this, but you can modify 760's for bigger lifts like world trade in NYC... Also the two that went to the top of the Shanghai World Fin Centre were 760's.. but unless someone gets a close up, we'll be none the wiser.

Now I have an idea on the placement of the cranes to the core of this tower. Could be they'll be external core climbing cranes like these.. which I think were 760's.


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Old April 17th, 2010, 02:16 AM   #3992
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Excellent photos of the crane cab! I've never really noticed a crane with a base like those in the last photo have....very cool.
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Old April 17th, 2010, 04:47 AM   #3993
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Can anyone tell me which models have been used in burj khalifa? I asked unkle google but got no response.. I think type of crane is quite interesting comparing factor for those two buildings. I only know that those were favelle favco cranes.

Hi patrykus,

I found here http://www.burjdubaiskyscraper.com/f...b44fb500dd43fb specifications of climbing tower cranes ( http://i36.************/2j2gkcz.jpg ) and other ones (see poster from user burj).

At burj khalifa were used not very powerful tower cranes, because they did not need to lift massive steel columns...
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Old April 17th, 2010, 05:33 AM   #3994
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Yeah Bohdan, (by the way, I enjoy your photos etc) Could be 900's being used for this, but you can modify 760's for bigger lifts like world trade in NYC... Also the two that went to the top of the Shanghai World Fin Centre were 760's.. but unless someone gets a close up, we'll be none the wiser.

Now I have an idea on the placement of the cranes to the core of this tower. Could be they'll be external core climbing cranes like these.. which I think were 760's.
Hi abc,

I was surprised, when in NYC at WTC One construction they were erected two large Manitowoc crawler cranes, because capacity of Favco 760's cranes was not enough to lifting of some massive steel columns. Why they did not erect here more powerful tower cranes?

I suppose at Shanghai Tower construction many heavy steel columns will be used. So, they need large capacity cranes. Very close to Shanghai Tower construction at construction of SWFC, which consists of massive steel columns, they used two M900D Favco's for an example.

I'm not sure about cranes at tower you shown in Guangzhou, but Guangzhou TV tower was definitely constructed using two Favco's 900D ( see http://www.khl.com/magazines/interna...586/No-title/# and photo http://www.wayn.com/waynphotos.html?...member=8918793 ). The above cranes at photos you shown look very like to ones on Guangzhou TV tower top.

But, as I said before we will see

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And to guys from Shanghai... Please, make more photos. Cranes erecting is very interesting process. Thanks in advance

Is there some webcam?
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Old April 17th, 2010, 05:58 AM   #3995
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I found here http://www.burjdubaiskyscraper.com/f...b44fb500dd43fb specifications of climbing tower cranes ( http://i36.************/2j2gkcz.jpg ) and other ones (see poster from user burj).

At burj khalifa were used not very powerful tower cranes, because they did not need to lift massive steel columns...
That is some info I posted a year and a half ago -

Here is a shot of the heavier beams lifted for the BK. Nothing much bigger was needed being the structure is R. C. up to level 155 mezz.



Large beams but tiny compared to the super columns for this project I bet.

Back to the ST.
I'm surprised there wasn't more press on the foundation pour. I think it must have been a world record for a concrete foundation pour.

I do hope some more photogs step up and post updates for this project. I'm sure they will later, just as was done for the SWFC as it was nearing TO but this early chapter is just as interesting IMO.

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Old April 17th, 2010, 06:11 AM   #3996
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Yeah! I forgot that BK tower top consist of steel beams... But agree, these beams are tiny compared to the columns for ST.
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Old April 17th, 2010, 07:28 AM   #3997
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Hi abc,

I was surprised, when in NYC at WTC One construction they were erected two large Manitowoc crawler cranes, because capacity of Favco 760's cranes was not enough to lifting of some massive steel columns. Why they did not erect here more powerful tower cranes?

I suppose at Shanghai Tower construction many heavy steel columns will be used. So, they need large capacity cranes. Very close to Shanghai Tower construction at construction of SWFC, which consists of massive steel columns, they used two M900D Favco's for an example.

I'm not sure about cranes at tower you shown in Guangzhou, but Guangzhou TV tower was definitely constructed using two Favco's 900D ( see http://www.khl.com/magazines/interna...586/No-title/# and photo http://www.wayn.com/waynphotos.html?...member=8918793 ). The above cranes at photos you shown look very like to ones on Guangzhou TV tower top.

But, as I said before we will see

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And to guys from Shanghai... Please, make more photos. Cranes erecting is very interesting process. Thanks in advance

Is there some webcam?
Yeah they were big beams though at WTC.. the beams might have been too far out for the 760's.. a bit closer and they could have lifted them.. the photos from Guangzhou are from the West Tower... lets hope for more snaps from our Shanghai friends.
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Old April 17th, 2010, 08:39 AM   #3998
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Old April 17th, 2010, 12:35 PM   #3999
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Posted By MCFXM, gaoloumi.com, 4-16-10.
Thanks for great photos from MCFXM.
It is hard to find photos we need at gaoloumi.com, because of language...
Please, post here interesting photos from above forum. Thank you in advance
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Old April 17th, 2010, 12:47 PM   #4000
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nice, nice... Thanks Bohdan, abc, Fury. Very informating posts...

Regardless of design, i think this is now most interesting construction to watch, unless... they will start with kingdom tower
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