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Old July 8th, 2010, 01:12 PM   #4501
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They didn't waiting to long before construction of next level. This time black formwork:

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Btw, I wonder if they removed the red formwork, or left it under the floor? I supposed they could reuse it, but as it seems it isn't the case.
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Old July 8th, 2010, 01:19 PM   #4502
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I think they left the formwork under the floor for a while and transport it upwards when this floor is poured. This way they can work more quickly.

Great progress!
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Old July 8th, 2010, 01:26 PM   #4503
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Yes, after a while I thought the same. In fact, I think they would wait with that until the tower will rise above the ground, so then they could use empty base to transport trash while in the same time above, construction would go undisturbed.

And btw, i just realised that we have now quite clear evidance that concrete circles have no relation to the floors locations as was rumored before.
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Old July 8th, 2010, 11:32 PM   #4504
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It must be so damn hot down there...
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Old July 9th, 2010, 05:10 AM   #4505
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And btw, i just realised that we have now quite clear evidance that concrete circles have no relation to the floors locations as was rumored before.
Hi Pat.

I agree that is the case for B4 (already done) and B3 (they are working on now), as they obviously line up with the attachment points on the supercolumns. B2 however will line up with the highest attachment points on the supercolumns and by the looks of it, with the lowest concrete ring we can see now.

The only drawing we have seen so far showing the basement levels shows B2 being much taller than the levels below it. Then B1 is taller yet on the drawing. It looks to me that these will also line up with the top 2 concrete rings. In other words the floor of B1 will line up with the second ring we can see now and the ground level will line up with the top ring (obviously).

This is what I posted some pages back but I neglected to notice the lower levels will line up with the points on the supercolumns. So - as long as the drawing has any merit we shall see where they form up the next level after this one.

Great to watch this work being done. Good pace to the progress.

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Old July 9th, 2010, 06:16 PM   #4506
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I think they left the formwork under the floor for a while and transport it upwards when this floor is poured. This way they can work more quickly.

Great progress!
Red formwork? - are they not the steels that make up the inside of the concrete walls? eg.
formwork| concrete |steel| concrete |formwork

That would explain why it's not being seen again.
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Old July 10th, 2010, 06:48 AM   #4507
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Red formwork? - are they not the steels that make up the inside of the concrete walls? eg.
formwork| concrete |steel| concrete |formwork

That would explain why it's not being seen again.
Hi google.
Not sure what your trying to say ...
The red forms looked to me to be just that - forms. They looked like they will form the concrete "beams" (and of course the entire slab) we see on the "ceiling" of underground carparks. Here in North America they would be removed - I'm pretty sure everywhere else too.

Perhaps someone from China could enlighten us and correct me if I'm wrong.

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Old July 10th, 2010, 01:41 PM   #4508
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Hi google.
Not sure what your trying to say ...
The red forms looked to me to be just that - forms. They looked like they will form the concrete "beams" (and of course the entire slab) we see on the "ceiling" of underground carparks. Here in North America they would be removed - I'm pretty sure everywhere else too.

Perhaps someone from China could enlighten us and correct me if I'm wrong.

In some cases it's planned to left forms down if it's not possible or not worth it in economical way...But I don't think this is the case here...Because I saw here A LOT of forms...
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Old July 10th, 2010, 08:40 PM   #4509
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wow big hole..
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Old July 10th, 2010, 08:50 PM   #4510
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Nice pic. Although it seems to go slow, i can notice they are working hard on this phase...
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Old July 10th, 2010, 08:53 PM   #4511
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Oh my god, I'ts amazing!!!
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Old July 10th, 2010, 09:20 PM   #4512
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how is depth the hole?
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Old July 11th, 2010, 12:38 AM   #4513
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Cant wait to see this one rise im so excited
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Old July 11th, 2010, 11:57 AM   #4514
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how is depth the hole?
Started out a bit over 30m deep i think.
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Old July 11th, 2010, 09:18 PM   #4515
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Started out a bit over 30m deep i think.
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Old July 12th, 2010, 03:25 AM   #4516
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Yes, after a while I thought the same. In fact, I think they would wait with that until the tower will rise above the ground, so then they could use empty base to transport trash while in the same time above, construction would go undisturbed.

And btw, i just realised that we have now quite clear evidance that concrete circles have no relation to the floors locations as was rumored before.
...I believe the circles are there to reinforce the hole and are not part of the building itself. Similar rings for the now aborted Chicago Spire served the same purpose.
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Old July 12th, 2010, 06:27 AM   #4517
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...I believe the circles are there to reinforce the hole and are not part of the building itself. Similar rings for the now aborted Chicago Spire served the same purpose.
Hi micrip.

Yes the concrete rings are compression rings eliminating the need for internal bracing. My point about the next levels lining up with the rings isn't about using them as part of the building per se. It's about the fact that they didn't space them equally and they seem to be set where the next levels will be, based on a drawing posted here earlier.

Based on the drawing they are working on the floor of B3. B2 will line up with the highest attachment points on the supercolumns in place now. That height will be somewhere close to the lowest ring we can see now. After that they will place the next sections of the supercolumns on top of what is there now. It is then we will see where the attachment points are on the new sections and that will confirm where the next levels are going to be. If the drawing is based on the actual plans the floor of B1 will be close to the middle ring we see now as B2 is much taller than the lower levels. Then it shows B1 taller yet, placing the floor of the ground level at the top ring.

I'm just theorizing here - the drawing may not even be close to the actual plans - ie: there may be more basement levels than 5 ...
just some interesting discussion ...

We will have to wait and see ...

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Old July 12th, 2010, 12:22 PM   #4518
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...I believe the circles are there to reinforce the hole and are not part of the building itself. Similar rings for the now aborted Chicago Spire served the same purpose.
That's kind of obvious. But some spreads the news that they may also marks exact locations of each basement level, wich is now of course not the case.
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Old July 12th, 2010, 02:23 PM   #4519
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Old July 12th, 2010, 08:27 PM   #4520
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Nice pics. At this rate, we could see the actual building rising by the end of the year. But I wouldn't get to attached though. There was at least one other large, spiraling building of similar height to meet its doom around this stage.
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